The animal agriculture industry is the single biggest driver of climate change.

Important topic....none more. I call my contribution to the predicament my carbon fart-print. It is a taboo to mention and focus on all the crap that comes from the tailpipes of living beings and especially our mechanical slaves. But the image of a brown stinky fume escaping from the collective bunghole is one that ought to be broadcast far and wide. To sanitize the image and prettify the notion by giving it the backing of science and statistics is to remove it from the hellish and antisocial impact that our present lives and all the enabling functions of applied science create for the rest of creation.

Thank you

Lawns and overpopulation have nothing to do with each other, that’s insane troll logic. And btw, residential water usage(including lawns) only accounts for a single digit fraction of our total water consumption. Have you ever had a fish tank? The first thing you learn is that you can’t have every fish you want because you’ll overload the tank with pollutants, creating toxic conditions that foster all manner of diseases that eventually kill all of your fish. Same applies to livestock in pens, domestic pets in a home.. and globalized human civilization in closed atmosphere. Consider that every civilization that’s ever existed before us collapsed. The single common denominator was that they all played out their resources, consumed the living world around them until there was nothing left. To their own demise. This is the way of life, what any species does; Any species allowed to flourish unchecked WILL consume it’s own habitat to it’s own demise. In this respect our behavior is perfectly natural, but no less self destructive. Infinite growth in a finite world, overloading fish tank Earth, has inescapable consequences. Those consequences are at hand. You say we grew enough food last year for the whole world to gain weight: Relying on fossil fuels at every step in the process including the fertilizer. Overusing water for poor water management practices, polluting the runoff water and local ecologies in turn. Squeezing out and poisoning nature, destroying biodiversity. Now using every last acre of arable land on planet Earth for our own food production, causing by far the fastest mass extinction event in the Earth’s history. Prioritizing profits over actually feeding people, in turn exasperating the ecological damage on a global scale. Overheating the atmosphere with the greenhouse gases produced at every step, in turn causing extreme changes in local weather patterns, in turn stressing the crops we grow to the point that it’s already resulting in dramatic annual crop reductions around the globe. The viability of a civilization can be measured by one metric alone; ability to produce food at scale. Ours is already diminishing at an exponential pace. Putting global humanity- one of the many large mammals on planet Earth, at the top of the extinction list.

Doesn't look very hopeful, does it?

Call it what it is it's known as the freedom of Mobility the distribution of goods and services resources and products the slower we go the less we destroy

The ecological website is wrong, I have beef everyday and because the herd size in this country hasn't increased in a 100 years than cattle are carbon neutral. Everything else was zero public transport/vehicle/plane and it was 2.6 earths.

There is no overpopulation, the lawn is the largest irrigated crop, that we mow with fossil fuels, just to kook nice. We grew enough food last year for the whole world to gain weight, we don't have a supply issue, we have a distribution one. Until we change the system of profit over need then it wouldn't matter what we do. If we had stayed with the population of the 1970's, and everybody doing the same as the west then the world would still be heading towards disaster Why call it overshoot and not just over consumption, overshoot makes it sound like we hit the right target but too much and this is not mentioning system change. Prepping by moving to NZ, a country where the next big earthquake has a 72% chance of happening in the next 50 years, 85% chance of being over 8 and will break the country that along with the coming sea level rise will see it never recover, as a country it is incredibly risky. Everything should be based in a carbon value, not a dollar value. Money has to stop having, will stop having the same value for the amount of energy it can buy, what happens then, barter to receive value.. Food, shelter and medical is all we need, de growth to this stage would raise general wellbeing and shouldn't that be the goal.

I'm re-listening to take notes!

Fantastic that you had Mathis Wackernagel on your show. Great episode.

Edward Bernays with Froids nephew and daughter, created this.. there is a GREAT 4 part documentary called the " Century of the Soul. "

Thank you!!!!

Please note that overshoot and then settling only applies to linear systems. Once any tipping point is passed it becomes a disastrous plan. 😢

Good idea. Population X Affluence measures Overshoot so much better.

¡Congrats!... the name change encompasses so much more.

Great name choice! I love your podcast. Thank you all for teaching us well. ♥️

I am a US citizen living in France, so I was made happy to hear someone with a French accent speaking of overpopulation. My French neighbors think it is insane to speak of overpopulation. There are two middle class families with nine and ten children that I know. There kids are grown and I hope that this horrible selfishness and destruction of schools and healthcare systems, has slowed. The statistics I hear suggest that the French are having fewer children, but they would love to have more. They are simply too poor to have nine children. Next, I find it sad that De Schutter is speaking against economic growth. If we wish people to understand overpopulation we should at all costs avoid speaking of reducing GDPs. That cares people from our cause. Automation can allow for an expanding GDP and there are so many hundreds of millions of underemployed people, there is no risk of not having manpower to increase GDP as population shrinks. Look how little attention your podcast has received. The message should be that the poor and middle class get much richer with one or no children per family, and the rich do just fine. The other benefit, along with getting richer, is not living with lung disease and cancer in other organs. Your podcast did mention that lifespans are on the decline after a century of growth. The air in my town 35 Kilometers south of Paris is more polluted than most USA cities because the French geniuses removed lead from gasoline in the 1990s and switched to diesel. By far, most French cars are diesel. As has been repeatedly demonstrated, people hook up their diesel filters before their emissions tests and then disconnect the filters. In any case the aqi here is around 50, often worse. Some areas of France are far more polluted, mostly from diesel. Good luck with your getting the message out. I am a member of the few low populated overpopulation groups, including Population Balance which I heard mentioned on your show. Let me know how I can help your cause and mine.

love your show!!!!

Wonderful interview.

Wow, she's wonderful. I DARE evanjos...pro-natalists...hell, MEN... to actually STFU and listen to what she's saying without desperately moving the goalpost or muttering some irrelevant counter-argument.

The earth is supporting 1-2 billion people, productivity via fossil fuels support everyone else.

Please call a guest who has seen ground realities in India regarding reproductive freedom (in terms of coercion into marriage and childbirth, male child preference that still exists etc) and can share that with the world. Because currently there are people who think it is inappropriate to talk about overpopulation in India even though population growth is the biggest environment and health challenge we face right now, especially when it comes to things like childhood malnutrition. On top of that, there is a section of young educated Indians who are picking up the narrative of 'population decline' panic in India even though we are decades from the population just plateauing. Meanwhile we don't have enough resources and opportunities for the people we do have and inequality is at its peak, only getting worse by the day

At 8.1 billion, humanity is unsustainable to a factor of 7. Wait til the Arctic methane starts outgassing in gigitons, Trump will then be the least of our problems.

Perhaps a name change is in order. At least if you want to grow. Population is a sore subject for many with The World Economic Forum and other NGO'S complaints of too many people. Population reduction is full speed ahead right now so any overgrowth will be plummeting and already has been in nearly every country. I cant aggree with the depopulation agenda personally I believe we should have children unless of course you dont value family. 🙏

I've been aware and concerned about overpopulation since I was a small child. I am happy to have found your channel.

Thank you

So how do you convince the majority to eschew everything they have been brought up to expect from life, and embrace self denial and totalitarian govt control? I doubt a few YT videos are going to cut it somehow.

Thanks - fascinating conversation! For more from Melanie - I was lucky to talk to her for Sentientism here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2HLanhorZmfq5osi=tewKsLU6xazVAyDV. Nandita has been a guest too! kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqvXon2Xoamdms0

It's sickening how less views such eye opening and urgently required videos get

Interesting

Really helpful. Thank you! So glad i discovered this podcast, and looking forward to listening to other episodes.

Ketcham is awesome!

this was excellent, thanks for having Melanie on.

This is such an interesting topic. I've been vegan for 2 years, vegetarian for 6 years before that. My way of viewing animals has drastically changed during that time. This was an eye opening interview and I'll be putting the book on my 'to-read' list. Particularly interesting was the fact that we've bestowed personhood on entities that aren't sentient or even physical objects, like corporations and municipalities, yet we use living, breathing, thinking, loving animals as property and commodities.

Re: 10:00 LAGOmorphism! 😂 🐇🐇🐇

Great podcast. Thank you. We must get rid of that taboo.

Humanity must voluntarily reduce so LIFE♾️ may increase.

Thanks' for this presentation and linking population issues with climate change. One could also add political economics and appropriate technology.

why ads every 4 minutes!?!?!

EA?

It's been two years and everything is worse. How's that vision working for everybody?

It's all be said before and many times unfortunately the trains are speeding off the tracks. Good summary though, she's a speaker with all the right words but nobody's paying attention.

...I tend to agree... but indegenous peoples at some point did disrupt their environment quite badly and evened things out through time, but of course we are talking about way less people at any given point. ...by the way not only capitalism seeks economic growth....yep, she got into it, fossil fuel!

Ecosystem and Economy kzbin.info/aero/PLhH8w0wcKSeDpkunKyRWBkPCcjiEk6AL7

I have NEVER understood the idea that a forever-increasing population is harmless -- such an illogical, even moronic concept replete with shortsightedness. Dr. Farley brings common sense and vision to the fore.

Not enough is being paid here to big AG a significant contributor to environmental degradation, climate change and massive health consequences through the consumption of meat and dairy products. I would say the ignoring of this huge part of the equation shows that even environmentalists are cognitively obsolete and morally absent from the destruction to humans and other animals caused by the meat and dairy industry and it is also inextricably linked to fossil fuels and overall neoliberal capitalism that drives all this. I feel this line of thinking here is reductionist and materialistic because it is devoid of the discussion of speciesism and human greed.

Just being bullied here when I am trying to save humanity with Nuevo Agriculture

Noone is talking about how they're spraying agricultural chemicals everywhere

About banking and so forth...changes I think have to come from a big country like the US... here in México I think banking is limited by foreign debt.

Nature only contribute 1-2% of our well-being? I think people greatly underestimate ecology.