Luther believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary; same with Calvin.

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same here. I am Catholic, but i know many Lutherans. I have Lutheran friends, including some LCMS Pastors. Grew up in a Lutheran neighborhood. All Lutherans I have ever known use the title Pastor the way we use the title Father.

We refer to our pastor as 'Pastor' however his occupation is Priest.

I left the ELCA . They should not even call themselves Lutheran!

​@@willoooooooob9 I left ELCA as well. Nothing Lutheran or Christian about them.

This is a confessional LCMS church.

In Tanzania there is KKAM

no! They don't ordain women as that is prohibited in the writings of St Paul. Women function well in other vocations but the churches where they are ordained, are dying.

Yes just to "reform" the Roman Catholic religion

@@Gospel_Street_Preacheryes there was no other church but the orthodox and Roman Catholic Church at that time unless you consider the Moravian Church which technically was still Roman catholic

Ah yes, here comes the one who knows God’s Will & Grace.

@@joshuawashington758Telling you guys you’re right doesn’t help either as it keeps you that way. If you want people to change, you point out what they’re doing wrong and correct them.

True. Borrowing the Catholic ritual, gutting the theology and orders does not get you the same thing.

@@stevenstuart4194 This liturgy seems more catholic than what you guys have going on nowadays. We do not need heterodox theology to have a beautiful, reverent worship service.

The ordinations are valid as far as Scripture goes. We Lutherans don't care about your opinion, we have valid sacraments even if Rome may not recognize that.

The first hymn is I Will Arise and Go to Jesus, late 18th century. It's from the wonderful Sacred Harp collection s of 200 years ago. The last is a sh6mn etting of Samuel Barber's famous Adagio.

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Luther did no such thing

This is exactly how Luther would have celebrated the mass!

This is way closer to how Luther would've celebrated the Eucharist. His Formula Missae almost identical to the Latin Mass in Structure, Visual form and Solemnity. Of course Lutheranism has liturgically expanded in expression and form as time when on, but if we're talking about how Lutherans would've had it back then in his time... Then this is very close. My fellow Protestants, y'all literally don't need to let your anti-papism cause you to be revisionist about your liturgical histories.

A better statement would be what a shame the Lutheran/protestantism became so anti-catholic. Christ and his church is, has always been and should still be catholic. Luther attempted to reformed, not replace. This video is the greatest example of the mass as described in the confessions. Luther would approve, especially if a bishop was present, like this. I pray that you please meditate on the gospel and really dig deep into theology. Test everything by the Spirit. Look to reformed, methodist, baptist, Roman Catholic, Lutheran etc. Read the early church fathers. I pray you find which theology is the most true and attains the fullness of the gospel for yourself.

What are you saying? I assume then your Lutheranism was developed here in America by immigrants who had no pastors and unfortunately took up the customers of the predominant "reformed protestants" of this country and lost their Lutheran faith and practice.

No is protestant (Lutherian).

Its catholic but not roman.

@@chelseajohnson5575 thank you, someone has to say it

​@@that39warguy6 your welcome.

This is celebrated in Lutheran liturgical tradition. Much was lost in the immigration to America in the 18th and 19th centuries where the Lutheran immigrants were without ordained clergy to lead them and in attempting to "blend in" to their new country, adopted many of the predominant "reformed protestant traditions", unfortunately losing their Lutheran liturgical traditions and Lutheran liturgical practices. Lutherans, unlike others, never abandoned the Mass at the Reformation.

It's not Catholic - the theology of the Eucharist was removed in the 16th century. It's just the husk of the Tridentine Mass without the Theology of the Mass.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Well... Three things. 1. This is an LCMS Parish not an ELCA. most Lutherans in general outside the ELCA would still call themselves "Evangelical Lutherans" (Many also call themselves "Evangelical Catholics") as it is literally downstream from their roots in Germany (except the most of the Nordic Lutherans. Their situation is a lil unique). 2. This is way closer to how Luther would've celebrated the Eucharist. His Formula Missae incrediblely close to the Latin Mass in visual form and solemnity as it's quite literally the kind of worship he grew up with. Of course Lutheranism has liturgically expanded in expression and form as time when on, but if we're talking about how Lutherans would've had it back then in his time... Then this is more close. The current Divine Service used by the Lutherans make this kind of high solemn liturgical expression completely acceptable. This is isn't an "Imitation" of TLM. To say otherwise is ahistorical. They're not trying to be ecumenical by embracing that same liturgical form. 3. Lutherans already believe in the physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist in the form of Sacramental Union. Dunno why you think it's some kind of capitulation to transubstantiation when they already have a Eucharistic theology of their own. If you think their theology's wrong that's one thing, but just because you're not aware of High Protestant Liturgical history doesn't mean we're trying to copy Rome or get on Rome's "good side". (Also you can literally look up Luther's bible, the Deuterocanonical books & the Prayer of Manasseh are still in there) The least you do is treat our Lutheran siblings in Christ with more respect and charity before you start rushing to accuse them of something as grave and severe as blasphemy 😅

Article XXIV of the Lutheran Augusburg Confession // Of the Mass: "Falsely are our churches accused of abolishing the Mass; for the Mass is retained among us, and celebrated with the highest reverence. Nearly all the usual ceremonies are also preserved, save that the parts sung in Latin are interspersed here and there with German hymns, which have been added to teach the people. For ceremonies are needed to this end alone that the unlearned be taught [what they need to know of Christ]. And not only has Paul commanded to use in the church a language understood by the people 1 Cor. 14:2-9, but it has also been so ordained by man’s law."

very true even me I need it here in Tanzania

Now you know 😂 but know the Lutheran religion is just as false as Roman Catholicism. Same false sacramental salvation

@@Gospel_Street_Preacher Nope. The Baptist churches are actually promoting false doctrine. Lutherans and Catholics follow the Bible.

LCMS

Haha no, far be it!

Absolutely not ELCA.

ELCA is not liturgical bro LCMS is more liturgical and traditional than you. LCMS and WELS pure of Lutherans and ELCA no. ELCA is LGBT's Church😂😂😂😂🤭🤭🤭

It very much is. Fr. Mark Braden is ordained in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, and Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church in Detroit is of the highest calibre of conservative, Confessional, Historical, and Liturgical Lutheranism. But indeed, it is a rare breed as many have succumbed to either theological liberalism and/or the influences of American Evangelicalism. Lord have mercy!

It is. Just as some Lutheran areas made it to the 1800's before abandoning the Latin ordinary of the Liturgy, some congregations today have services nearly identical to Catholic services, which was one of the goals from the beginning.

@@intensity33 Amen. Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church - Detroit is a member congregation of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod's English District. Her pastor, Fr. Braden, is my seminary classmate. English District's current bishop, Rev. Dr. Jamison Hardy, graduated from Concordia Theological Seminary - Fort Wayne a few years before Braden and I did. What is recorded here in this service is closer to what Martin Luther would have recognized than what passes as "Lutheran" in this country.

Believe ;) the truth shall set you free...

Why not? They are retaining the Mass as the Augsburg Confession says.

Yes

Los del vídeo solo son inmitadores

@@demeter120 o sea, son los verdaderos catolicos. Estar de acuerdo con el papa, obispo de roma, no se hace catolico. Defender la fe de los apostoles, junto con tradiciones puras y basadas en la misma fe, eso sí es verdaderamente catolico.

@@pjwg Estoy de acuerdo con usted. Las opiniones de un Papa y de un obispo tienen que ir acorde con los evangelios y la tradición. En cambio sí el papa y los obispos tienen opiniones que contradicen los evangelios y la tradición apostólica entonces es un falso religioso.

I am sorry that that happened. Christians don't always practice what they say they do.

Everyone at Zion is greeted upon entering the building by the usher(s) and greeted upon leaving the nave by the entire procession. It's practically impossible to leave the building without shaking hands with 5 people on a normal Sunday (or in this case-- 12 people). The proper rubric for entering the nave is to "kneel in prayer" (IE silently) and the proper rubric for leaving the nave is to "depart in silence," which is why you won't see anybody greeting in the nave-- greeting occurs in the narthex (the room you enter when you walk in the front door of the building). These practices are printed in the ordos (bulletins) you see people holding during the service.

what is LSB¿

@@mudgebauermaybe it’s Lutheran Service Book ??