(And i can tell on 2:03 there was a glitch there with the alarm)
@weatherdan8820027 күн бұрын
@@Luke202-z8b They're not speakers, they're flush-mount housings that presumably once contained bells. When they upgraded the system in the 80s they mounted the new horns right onto the grilles of the bell housings.
@Luke202-z8b7 күн бұрын
Still definitely a weird placement for the replacement fire alarms. Maybe the electricity for it is connected to right where the bell was before
@poppyaddis996010 күн бұрын
Was there a fire or was it false alarm
@user-qv9fy4xe3g13 күн бұрын
My high school had these bells
@Luke202-z8b18 күн бұрын
0:50 that threw me off for a second
@Luke202-z8b24 күн бұрын
I see why they use actual pull stations..
@ZakWolf25 күн бұрын
Yep, they're REALLY loud and piercing, about as bad as System Sensor SpectrAlert Advances. The Wheelock ASes at my summer job ended up giving me tinnitus!
@kidzbop743228 күн бұрын
0:02
@rusefoxghost29 күн бұрын
Ah, the Wheelock AS. Absolutely ear-piercing, yet sorta nostalgic as almost every school i went to had them! This system definitely needs some tlc.
@SirensAndAlarmsOfNorthernIL21 күн бұрын
I bet they sure are loud af. My MT has the same sound and it’s super painful and loud
@TheCarson116Ай бұрын
In addition to the problems you mentioned I'd say there's another: the fact that not every signal across the entire building is synchronized, since you can hear some ASes sounding earlier than others. Given the fact that this system is so large it has NAC extenders the only course of action I can recommend to ensure all of the NAs are synced together is to replace all the existing NAC extenders with Potter's PSN-series, which can not only output the Wheelock Sync pattern but can also follow each other, making it ideal for installations like this one (though according to what I just read Wheelock's own PS-8-LP also has Wheelock Sync & follow capability, so there's another option). I'll still never understand the reason for some Simplex systems having Wheelock alarms: sure I can understand for outdoor applications since Simplex hasn't always made their own outdoor devices, but why inside? Simplex has made indoor alarms since basically the start of their fire alarm career, so why wouldn't they use use their own instead of some third-party manufacturer's? 6:56 I take it that that's one of the rooms with non-functioning NAs, right? 8:57 Not every day you see a horn/strobe & remote strobe right across from each other like that! (in perfect sync no less!) 9:41 Funny how it seems like the meditating person in the "Determination" "frame" (which don't really fit together) is holding the RSS in their left hand with the way it's mounted! 9:53 Well that's quite a big, spacious, & open "main lobby" isn't it? 10:04 Ah yes, the classic "buzz, buzz, buzz" of an older Simplex annunciator: I kinda miss the days when panels & annunciators use to buzz like that: definitely more of a gentle sound than what you get with piezos. Is that a Secutron security keypad I see next to it? (which seems to be awful chill with the alarm going off despite its fire alarm counterpart/neighbor annunciating the condition) 10:22 Interesting how they went with the kind of wall material you sometimes find on the outsides of houses (for lack of a better way to describe it). Also yeah, that outdoor strobe is _definitely_ in need of replacement given how worn-out it is! 11:02 Is that an emergency stop button I see below that AS? (in place of where a pull station likely should be. There also appears to be an emergency exit door sign below it as well (albeit mostly blocked by another sign in front of it) 11:12 If one listens closely, the sound of the panel's relays clicking to both pulse & synchronize the alarms is audible (though when it comes to the latter part how _are_ they synchronized? Do the NAC extenders have Wheelock Sync built-in or do they all have Wheelock DSMs attached? (though that would likely make it impossible to have every single NA synced together, as heard in this video).
@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign29 күн бұрын
The reason why you see Wheelock devices on Simplex systems is Probably because of price or what they have.
@weatherdan88200229 күн бұрын
@@TheCarson116 @06:56 is one of the areas that signals were not functioning. @09:53 The lobby is huge, and as big as it is, there are only two signals in it (horn/strobes). @11:12 It's not the panel itself you hear, it's the Wheelock power supply that's to the right of it (behind the door to the room).
@TheCarson11629 күн бұрын
@@weatherdan882002 Ah okay, that's what I figured. Huh, how about that. Ah okay: makes sense since I very much doubt a Simplex system would be capable of Wheelock Sync, which is supposedly what that clicking pattern is of.
@aerhardt29 күн бұрын
@@TheCarson116Most modern Simplex systems, including the 4100U, have Wheelock sync built in. Wheelock signals are the only non-Simplex devices that are listed for use on Simplex panels and with SmartSync. Wheelock horns will not sync perfectly on SmartSync (the Wheelock horns will be on when the Simplex ones are off) but Wheelock strobes will. This means that it is very common to see Wheelock remote strobes or speaker/strobes used on Simplex systems as a cheaper/ more flexible alternative. They are sometimes even used along side Simplex signals.
@TheCarson11629 күн бұрын
@@aerhardt Considering Wheelock signals have sometimes been used with Simplex systems I guess that makes sense.
@Luke202-z8bАй бұрын
damn those as were roaring
@TheCarson116Ай бұрын
Jesus that must be murder for your & everyone else's ears: who's genius idea was it to use U-MHTs instead of normal U-MMTs? (set on what appear to be _continuous_ no less (are they?) At least U-MMTs have somewhat of a gentler sound as an option! Still, nice to see a pre-Wheelock Siemens system still going strong (except for the panel of course). Is that a security keypad I hear beeping around 2:27?
@weatherdan882002Ай бұрын
@@TheCarson116 Yes, it's the security system which doubles as the fire alarm communicator.
@TheCarson116Ай бұрын
@@weatherdan882002 Ah okay.
@wynter8562Ай бұрын
I could listen to fire alarms all day and be happy, but dang are those things annoying as heck
@CraigBaker96837Ай бұрын
I think those are actually U-MH-MCS horn/strobes. If I read documentation correctly for them, U-MHTs were designed as temporal-only, while U-MH devices were continuous-only or coded by a NAC.
@joeycaridi3030Ай бұрын
Kids in school are going to hate that sound for sure as it sounds like Tinnitus. Signals need to be replaced to Siemens rebranded Wheelock LED Eluxa horn strobes doing code-3
@joeycaridi3030Ай бұрын
09:41 The Wheelock RSS is filled with Determination
@jacobisworld9516Ай бұрын
Those horns are loud.
@mrkal222-zc3ml13 күн бұрын
Supposed to be loud
@filmer765Ай бұрын
My high school tech center has Simplex pulls and Wheelock AS’ and RSS’. Panel is a 4010.
@vinnieversaci452Ай бұрын
That continous slow woop is super loud
@SomeDudeWithAnExitSignАй бұрын
I always love seeing Simplex systems with Wheelock devices
@evannazario33117 күн бұрын
My local Best Buy has a simplex system with spectralert classics mainly ceiling mounted. Also there was wall mount replaced with a white exceeder.
@DJMarcyMOO-u2eАй бұрын
Wheelock signals on a Simplex system? Were they reused from an old system?
@SomeDudeWithAnExitSignАй бұрын
Nope, it’s common depending where you live, I have seen a bunch of Simplex systems with Wheelock signals before. My 4006 and 4008 have Wheelock sync
@DJMarcyMOO-u2eАй бұрын
@@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign It just seems odd for Simplex to use another company's devices on their installs when they have their signals. That being said, it is probably cheaper for the customer to do it that way
@SomeDudeWithAnExitSignАй бұрын
@@DJMarcyMOO-u2eProbably the case, also it could be what they have on hand. There’s also been gaps on Simplex AV line up. In the past there were no weatherproof TrueAlerts so Wheelock devices were used. The conventional Speakers and Speaker strobes don’t have weatherproof versions as of now. Simplex also lacked any chimes back then. I have seen some Simplex systems that feature Gentex and System Sensor devices. I seen EST Genesises on a Simplex system
@jaybird2000Ай бұрын
I've seen the same thing as well. I've also seen Wheelocks running on a Edward's system, Spectralert Advances on a Simplex System, and I've seen a System that had Est Genesis Alarms, With Notifier BG12s.
@jaybird2000Ай бұрын
@DJMarcyMOO-u2e Also, if you ever go to Las Vegas, you'll see all kinds of Oddly Mixed Systems in alot of the Casinos.
@aidanthetoiletelevatorfire7554Ай бұрын
I have a feeling these Wheelock strobes fail pretty commonly, unfortunately. They are popular and reliable, but it's unfortunate that they fail.
@aerhardt29 күн бұрын
Well you have to keep the in mind that these are probably 15-20 years old. In a school with fire drills, that is a lot of use over a long time.
@RexyWX410Ай бұрын
Wow! That is pretty cool they have U-MHTs there rare. Happy to see such notification appliances like that still being used I like those horn strobes...!
@aidanthetoiletelevatorfire7554Ай бұрын
Very cool! These U-MHTs are not common at all! Interesting choice that they chose continuous.
@SammyMaggioАй бұрын
Siemens U-MHTs are rare. Surprised to see them installed in a building like this.
@achannelwithnopurpose1977Ай бұрын
Seems to be having sync issues between NACs and power supplies (devices on the same NAC circuit will sync but no two NACs sync with each other). May in fact even have something to do with the issue you described in the description.
@aerhardt29 күн бұрын
My middle school had this problem. It was a Simplex 4100U system but with voice evac. The voice evac was obviously synced everywhere but the strobes were not synced between NAC’s. The original part of the school was built in 2008 and they had additions in 2009 and 2018. The sync problems only exist in the 2008 parts of the school. They are Simplex SmartSync speaker strobes. I think the problem is that each NAC extender is giving out its own sync signal. They are not wired/programmed to coordinate with each other.
@achannelwithnopurpose197729 күн бұрын
@@aerhardt The best way to fix is to connect the nac panels to the RUI or IDNet circuit and reprogram the master controller (the panel) so that the master controller outputs a master sync command and the nac panels follow the master sync command’s sync pattern.
@Fahrenheit4051Ай бұрын
I thought NSYNC was popular back then. I guess not.
@alrmfire1Ай бұрын
💀
@XboxMinion24Ай бұрын
Wow, they are loud
@mrkal222-zc3ml13 күн бұрын
Supposed to be loud
@STR2K6Ай бұрын
this is kinda interesting for a modern siemens system
@rfbalagam7950Ай бұрын
Great video! I also have a question, which tone is these alarms set on to?
@weatherdan882002Ай бұрын
@@rfbalagam7950 They are not multi-tone; they are U-MHT-MCSs, which is a piezo horn/strobe.
@XboxMinion24Ай бұрын
Yeah and the Mini-horns are blue just to let you know
@rfbalagam7950Ай бұрын
@@weatherdan882002 You're talking about the alarm that looks exactly like UMMT in the video, but aren't UMMT? Correct?
@rfbalagam7950Ай бұрын
@@weatherdan882002 Sorry if I sound rude, I like to learn of new things of these typical alarms.
@prism_2903Ай бұрын
@@rfbalagam7950 pretty much. UMMT is multi-tone, while UMHT is piezo (as seen in the video). Unsure if these can do code 3, but in a U-MHT, if you look closely into the horn grille, you will see some blue
@achannelwithnopurpose1977Ай бұрын
Lemme guess, did the current Cerberus pro panel replace an mxl by any chance?
@weatherdan882002Ай бұрын
@@achannelwithnopurpose1977 Quite possibly; there are HFP-11 smokes installed in a few places still.
@LiamFire17B-R-qz2xrАй бұрын
Oh I know those. Siemens & Cerberus Pyrotronics has those type of horn strobes. The ones with those blue chips in the horns sound like that.
@prism_2903Ай бұрын
Yes Also i think they do code 3 but idk
@GaryBeltzАй бұрын
What are those set on 1200 hz
@officialsimplexguyАй бұрын
Those are mini horns not U-MMTs
@GaryBeltzАй бұрын
@@officialsimplexguy thanks but I’m going by what’s in description
@weatherdan882002Ай бұрын
@@GaryBeltz The description says U-MHTs, not U-MMTs
@officialsimplexguyАй бұрын
@@weatherdan882002 yes and those are mini horns
@joeycaridi3030Ай бұрын
That's a Honeywell security keypad beeping in code-3
@FireAlarmGuy13Ай бұрын
That system sounds like pain lol
@Bus293FanАй бұрын
I don’t remember the horns EVER sounding like that before
@bjthedjdutchdude199229 күн бұрын
These are the Mini horn variants
@maiyo8518Ай бұрын
Why is it sounding so disgusting? It’s not a mechanical horn, mini horn, or bell. It’s an electrical horn. Electrical horns don’t sound disgusting in the FWR. Do they?
@1bejarrrАй бұрын
Sounds the same as the gentex gms
@SomeDudeWithAnExitSignАй бұрын
I hate TTS Voice Evac
@elevatorelectricalenthusiasmАй бұрын
"Please use the elevators. Do not use the nearest exit." - one way to go to heaven
@bhusanbeura9374Ай бұрын
Ther no option for downloading the rlcd panel
@clxdyy_Ай бұрын
3:15
@spatcherw.keyboardsandbaby8586Ай бұрын
The message is read by Microsoft Mark and then they sped it up.
@lilbluefoxieАй бұрын
Ah yes the sound of the fire drills in my elementary and middle school before they put in the screech and strobe ones
@user-ok5lz9zx1g2 ай бұрын
They put the MTs on code 3 as of 6/2024
@GabetheSlacker2 ай бұрын
What do you think would happen if you were to wire that to an EST Genesis Sync Module? Would it sync with an EST Genesis horn strobe, or would it still do the same horn and strobe sync as Wheelock?
@weatherdan8820022 ай бұрын
It'd do neither. Genesis sync modules only pulse the circuit once every couple of minutes because the signals' ability to stay in sync with each other lasts a long time. If this signal were wired to an EST sync module, it'd just do continuous.
@josephfrye73422 ай бұрын
There is a single stroke style and vibration mechanical chimes thing which it’s kinda close to the bell though
@STR2K62 ай бұрын
the wheelock mt on continuous was used a lot in my state (texas). i did a fire alarm inspection yesterday at a small daycare consisting of a 90s firelite MS-4 with these alarms and system sensor 2400 series smoke detectors
@fredsmith84982 ай бұрын
Someone said if you solder it changes it back to three if you saw her
@GabetheSlacker2 ай бұрын
Couldn't they just have disabled the faulty smoke detector so that it wouldn't keep going off?
@GabetheSlacker2 ай бұрын
If you turn up your volume towards the end, you might be able to barely hear the SpectrAlert Classic horn strobe.
@erikmorozov17402 ай бұрын
was this one on High Volume Medium Volume or Low Volume?