@@SmokeyStoner the spring can be removed.. see this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZeyYmB-hLh1o6ssi=4crzwzYWP-2qFwir loctite keeps the seat from turning side to side... the spring is the seat suspension, so the two do different things.

@jamescashmore1452 load (weight) has a big effect on scooter performance. refer to my video plotting transfer function vs mileage.

@@adrumwhisperer i know this why i said i weigh less than you i get more range too in gear 3 i get 20 miles on roads full of hills and normal roads, 28 miles ranges when in gear 3 on my p1+. we do have better batteries out ther they just refuse too ue them right now , with the technology we have we could do 200 miles on a 18AH battery. we could even have them run on wireless electricity

@stilljustaguy no you aren't too tall or heavy. The handlebars are adjustable... so you can find a comfortable height sitting or standing.

@stilljustaguy no, I keep my scooter away from rain and puddles. I've seen videos of rusted out motors... besides I only want to ride when it's nice out.

I've had it about 5-6 months with about 180 miles on it. What specifically are you seeing? When I think of sag, I think of the drop in voltage due to load... which is dependent on things like hill grade, rider weight, speed, etc.. The measurements in my chart are under no load conditions so they won't be effected by these things while I'm taking the measurement. If you mean max charge voltage, I haven't seen any significant change. If you mean miles ridden per charge, I haven't looked at this in detail. I haven't ridden long distances in awhile, but I haven't noticed a significant change in battery duration with shorter trips. If you have any specific conditions or details, I can take a look once the rain goes away. Hope you are still enjoying your ride!

@@adrumwhisperer Great work and detail here. The thing I am noticing is on an average ride 18-20 miles under varied terrain with 175 rider in mode 2, the last half of the battery sags so much that its becoming unusable as it sags into the protection range of the battery.

@@Scooter-King. Thanks, I wanted to have a way to more accurately determine how much farther I can make it on a ride... the bar display is not very useful. Looking at my chart the transfer function becomes non-linear once the battery voltage gets below 49V. I would suggest plotting your xfer function out every mile like i did and find when your curve falls off a cliff as well. These measurements should be done with no-load (at a full stop). Then you can look to see if this "cliff" changes as the battery gets older. Keep in mind that you may be at 49.5V under no load and then see the battery voltage drop when a load is applied (going up a hill for example). If the load is large enough that "sag" will put you into the "Warning" or "Dead" zone and the performance will decrease significantly. the warning zone is good enough to keep me going on a flat road or small inclines.. the dead zone is barely moving at all. The same hill with a battery voltage of 58V may not show any performance degradation. In general, my plot shows there isn't much of a performance hit as long as my battery is above 49V. A 8% hill slope may cause approximately 0.5V drop if I remember correctly. Based on your weight I would expect you to easily get more than 22 miles for a full charge in normal riding conditions. The mode won't make a difference, if you ride at the same speed. (i.e. 10mph in all modes will put the same load conditions on the motors). Of course if you are riding at faster speeds available in higher modes it drains the battery faster.

@@adrumwhisperer Great info, thanks!

thanks, I hope you find some useful information here!

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Solar will send you a replacement controller. sounds like you have the same issue. if the stem is just scratched I would leave it alone... battel scars are inevitable. if it's more serious, I haven't tried a tire change yet. b let me know how it goes!

​@@adrumwhispererThis is what they said after I sent pictures Thanks for the images. From the images we can see the scooter has had a user accident. Each scooter is carefully PDI checked prior to dispatch with all details documented. To resolve the damage: You will need to get a replacement fingerprint display + a tire. Fingerprint display $80 On-road tire $59.99 We will cover the shipping as a gesture. Kind regards Support “

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Solar has been great about responding though. They emailed me back the same day and offered a replacement.

@@adrumwhisperer eeeek..! did they sent you a new throttle or new controller? Was it converged under warranty or did you have to pay for it? I just bought this scooter should be coming in the mail next week.

@dbascur2 its covered under warranty. the trigger is part of the controller. I haven't gotten it yet, but I will need to cover shipping.

@@adrumwhisperer nice.. Please post updates. I would be eager to find out if that fixed it. Glad to hear solar is responsive.

@dbascur2 ill post a video of how to do the swap.

That is going to depend on other factors like your weight and terrain. Unless you are only riding on a track, It's not realistic to think of top speed for the entire range. The video below shows you how to estimate your remaining mileage based on the battery voltage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXaYiGiMiNaDbZosi=ITNpKJGotHqnkrbH

@@adrumwhisperer okay maybe not top speed then but what would you say the range is like? Thanks for replying

@ssssssp1991 at 265lbs, with a mix of terrain and speeds 22miles.

You'll have to contact Solar Scooters. I don't have my manual handy and they sent me the wrong one (P1 2.0) anyway. When I contacted them last they had some errors in their information and didn't answer what P97 does.

there are no turn signals on the P1 3.0. enjoy your ride!

i'll dig up what I can. The side view mirrors were ordered many years ago and don't have any links that I know of.

available links were added to the video description

thanks, if there is anything specific you would like to see, let me know

Sitting. I usually sit. I bought the mirrors years ago from a motorcycle shop. I don't have a link or remember where I got them.

Enjoy, I'm having fun with mine.!

The JB Weld is still holding up for me!

I don't hear any ticking noise. Check to see if a brake cable or something is rubbing against the rim. I don't know why you don't hear it when walking next to the P1. Try to narrow it down... does the sound change when you speed up? apply brakes? move your weight more towards the back or front? You can also put your P1 on top of a milk crate so the wheels spin free. Then run just the front motor and then just the back motor and see if you can figure out where it is coming from.

This video goes into detail about mileage and how it relates to weight and battery voltage. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXaYiGiMiNaDbZosi=sQ7wBmIH-5Bs96El I suggest checking the battery voltage after full charge, it should be around 59V. Then check the voltage every mile, under no load (ie. not moving). You should get a mostly linear transfer function (voltage vs miles) until you get below 49V, at that point the response falls off a cliff. If you are charging to 59V and the response has a linear slope until 49V... then the other major factors are your weight and the load on the motors (steep hills and full speed will give shorter mileage). I'm around 260lbs and still get about 22 miles of range on a mix of hills (up to 8 degree slopes) and flat areas and an average speed around 20mph. It's common for suppliers to overstate their range, and quoting it under the best conditions (lower speed, light weight rider, flat ride). 13miles is way too short and I would start troubleshooting with tracking the battery voltage.

good idea. Do you have a link?

The front suspension is too stiff. There is supposedly a fix of removing an extra washer, but I haven't tried it yet. Paul from ESG mentions it in his comment section. I'm surprised at a flat if you have a 3.0, Solar has a video of them stabbing it with a screwdriver... showing they are self healing.

@@nalabishop402 I haven't replaced a tire yet, but you might want to look into the new self heal tires. they look impressive.

​@@adrumwhisperer thats what I had and it lasted about a month.

I have no idea what this means.

I'm not sure what you mean by cut outs. I've never had any problems other than what is mentioned in my videos. In Part 2 of this series I discuss error codes, the only time I've gotten an error was due to low battery. In the Range test and Transfer Function video, I discuss how the power of the scooter falls off a cliff when the battery falls below 49V. This could temporarily happen at higher voltages when the motor is under a heavy load, such as during hill climbing or acceleration due to voltage droop. This is normal and again due to the battery getting too low.

Its eastside of Atlanta, GA

@@adrumwhisperer nice! I just got my P1 3.0 two days ago and I’ve been zipping around Roswell, Alpharetta, and Cumming. Really fun scooter!

@that_2forty_struggle991 very cool! there are alot of good trails around here.

in part 4 I talk about the accessories, here are the links... ROCKBROS Bike Handlebar Extender Double Bike Handlebar Bracket Bicycle Handlebar Extension Lightweight Durable for Holding Bicycle Speedometer, GPS, Phone Mount Holder a.co/d/6HivDvA

GUB Bike Phone Mount Holder,... www.amazon.com/dp/B07GKT8FBZ?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Glad it was useful for you! Now that the weather is improving, let me know anything you want to know/see.

@@adrumwhisperer My Solar P1 3.0 is being delivered this week! Super stoked!

glad it was helpful to someone! I tried to post information I would want to know. Before my purchase I was wondering could I get by with a lighter single motor? how would weight affect range, speed and acceleration? what kind of real world issues aren't covered in other reviews..... especially the ones that are just advertising in disguise.

Enjoy your new ride. I love mine!

I agree, but for me the standing problem is more because of the short deck. It's much more comfortable sitting (now that I fixed the seat) than standing with my leg on the back fender. Paul from ESG, says the front suspension can be improved by removing a second washer inside the front end. I haven't tried it yet and don't know if Solar implemented the fix in their production.

@@adrumwhisperer you’re right on the short deck, standing on the back fender is uncomfortable too. But I guess you can’t expect perfection at that price point with the performance it offers

@@DJSelphi I'm pretty happy overall. My search criterion was something that can climb any hill with a 260lb rider, go at least 20mph with at least 20miles of range and weigh under 75lbs. The P1 does all that and gives me up to 37mph and a place to sit. I would also like to try out a Vsett or an Emove. You might want to put up a video comparing your Vsett and Solar... I think people would be interested in a comparison.

@@adrumwhispererhave you tried the front suspension hack? I know they spoke about it in a video but never specified what the “hack” was.

@that_2forty_struggle991 the hack is removing an extra washer. I didn't take mine apart yet to test it.