The snare on the Tama sounds way better. Bass drum sounds about the same. I prefer the way tighter sound of the Tama toms over the Sonor. Both are great and have their pros and cons. But I'm definitely a Tama guy. But it's really just opinion and preference in the end.

Thanks for posting. It would be nice to compare the clean sounds as well. Cheers.

Very good lesson. I have watched that Tony Williams video series maybe six or seven times. Yes he called any bouncing approach playing "willy nilly". Why? He said one should play note with intention and control each note, especially fast doubles on the toms, especially the floor tom. I tried it and love it. However i use a finger grip on the ride cymbal, especially the jazz ride pattern. I do an exercise with the TW grip that has quarter notes on the bass drum. Then i progress with alternating hands around the kit first quarter notes (matches the bass drum), then move to 8th notes, then 16ths, then 32nds. I then back down the note value tree and end this duple exercise with quarter notes. Finally i do the same thing with the triplet note value tree. First again quarter notes, then 8th note triplets then 16th note triplets then back down ending with quarter note triplets. You can build amazing speed and control with the TW grip and this exercise. Thanks for reading if you did. Bill.

I recent got back into drumming and got Sabians XSR's for the kit. Didn't care for them a bit. Discovered Dream Cymbals and after trying out some at the drum shop, swapped all the Sabians out for Dream Bliss cymbals. I actually prefer the sounds of the Bliss over Zildjians also.

Perfect ! Thanks a lot ! Could you do the same thing for the Tony Williams left hand ?

Sonor.

Anyone know which series of each is being compared?

I had drum lessons when I first started playing drums, quite late on at around 26 yrs old... I carried on for 2 years with the lessons but found that I naturally veered off to the style or technique you're showing here. I was rehearsing live a lot in a situation whereby the bounce effect and the technique used, really didn't suit me or how I felt should work. Personal preference I suppose, but yeah, I still practice the same way today, a bit less through health reasons, I also tend to try and roll my hands over from the German style to French, keeping the rear most (3&4) fingers in contact with the sticks. Thanks for the affirmation, I've played this way regardless of advice because it just worked for me, you know how it is, we put hours and hours in regularly to be told by someone else, you're not doing it properly, like it's never been a consideration!??

Like this power grip

THIS LOOKS LIKE A 1980s BB - ROUNDED CORNER

Wish 🤞🏻 the Sonar: Artist Series Bronze Snare Drum 🥁 came in a proper standard (596) *6.5” Depth.* The shorter 6”sounds 👂🏻 too Piccolo for my tastes, especially coming from an 8”depth snare drum.

Tama drums are the best drums on the market period

i was was also playing as a 16th notes. my question would be do the play with the other hand as leading with a different hand. left side/ right side then right side tp left.

6 year later commenting here to say that the Tama sounds absolutely tighter than the Sonor. Clearly, a much better choice as a recording studio kit. I’m glad you layer different styles bc it made me think Tama has been greatly undervalued for genres other than rock. This was a surprise bc I’ve been digging the more recent Sonor kits and artists (Benny Greb and Gavin Harrison, specially).

There are unfortunately far too few shops around where you can actually do this and try before you buy Unfortunately most KZbin demonstrations are EQ’d within an inch of their lives so you don’t always get a true reflection of the sound/tone/wash, etc

cool!!

Perfect!!!!+

Uhh, I think Fred Hinger was using that. It became known as the hinger grip. But a modified french! In typmany the attack will beoow. The pitch fluctuates and sounds terrible. The idea is like ringing a bell! Kind of bong. It ,s a search for tone purity!

Hi! I also watched this video with Tonny. He also said that he is plaing every stroke with his hand not only wrist. You are showing only wrist movement. Why?

Sonor = more mids, more fundamendal to the note, better suited to classic and prog rock where you need to tune the tomes to specific notes. Between the two kits the Sonor is the allrounder. Tama = scooped Japanese sound, more harmonics, better suited to 70s Italodisco and 80s rock/metal. More character but it will be difficult to play blues, country, roots rock or jazz on the Tama.

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Very informational thank you

The snare is Made in japan?

I have one,if anyone else does,hang on to it.I don't believe you can find them for sale anywhere,new or used...

Looks almost exactly like the Tama 14x6.5 steel snare i just picked up used for $80.

the index finger wrap around the stick? she doesn't ... tx

I find it easier counting it like you did with 1 and ah, 2 and ah instead of in triplets......

How do you do this with traditional grip? (Which Tony used alot)

Bass drum on the AQ2 mics up like to a Canon live!!

This is not called Tony Williams grip. It is more notably recognized as the little finger hold. This term was coined by Moeller and you talked about more through Jim Chapin. And I believe also that the freeing up of the thumb and forefinger of gripping the stick to let it accept the natural rebound.

Your downstrokes need work

Thank you for bringing this up. I noticed it as well. The " pinky pinch" grip has been around since the Civil War. George Stone taught it for years, as did Sanford Moller

5 years later….. Tama takes it. Both beautiful sounding. Personal preference is Tama all day .

Thank you very much for clarifying!

Sounds better here , than on some other demonstrations..

thank you!

thanks dad!!

It works!!

What is the pries..plz tell me

Tama snare does not sound good dampened. Open that bitch up bro! Utah Kid.......

2 great companies, But Tama all the way for me. 🤙

Hi Lee it's me Leon! So glad you are putting your brilliant work and tuition on you tube! Keep up the great work

finish?

Looking for one of those baby.... Love those drums

very simple explanation thank you

i am a Tama forever.

Tama 10 - 0

Terrible tones on both... sounds like a cheap fuzz tone or distortion pedal.

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As a beginner it would be nice to watch this lesson in reverse playback. So it would be easier than having to translate right and left. Or you could just show your video from the side and it would be easier than looking straight on to someone that's opposite... This is the same reason boats use port and starboard instead of left and right. If boats use left and right if the skipper was yelling to you at the front of the boat and he said right you would go to your right instead of his right. Lol sounds funny but it's the same problem