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@Convolutedtubules Жыл бұрын
An engineer in our company swears that the Weldon is best option for certain operations.
@dirtboxk1ng 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Is it possible you could share the fusion360 file so i could learn from this example?
@hms1688 2 жыл бұрын
Good work!!! We also have rich experience in sheet metal fab, we are a strong manufacturer in China, with high quality and competitive price.
@policebox1092 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@rickkilhoffer5693 3 жыл бұрын
The Centro P also locks the Weldon flat in.
@heinzhaupthaar5590 3 жыл бұрын
No, they can but only if you use SecurGrip collets and inserts. They're not cheap but make ER style holders a very versatile system, no matter if Centro or regular.
@Anderr.adriano 3 жыл бұрын
what kind of tweezers is this?
@v57163 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very educative.
@arduinoversusevil2025 4 жыл бұрын
Please follow up on the 10,000 man hours it took to get fusion 360 to spit that out?
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't too bad actually. It was more calculation time because of the insane tolerance we chose to calculate too. But the whole thing was programmed and machined in the off hours of two days. And ran the finishing during the weekend.
4 жыл бұрын
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@wadepuckett2147 5 жыл бұрын
Bit of chatter on the tailstock end there
@LAUWIJ 5 жыл бұрын
Correct. That was solved when we clamped the steady rest onto the tailstock.😉
@flaviloco 5 жыл бұрын
Custom post or which post is this one? Fanuc controller?
@habibmgh493 5 жыл бұрын
how much the length and width of your shop?
@MrEmogato 5 жыл бұрын
It seemed more waste of material than necessary. Too huge of raw dia.
@LAUWIJ 4 жыл бұрын
Actually the raw diameter is also the finished diameter on the top of the part. Which isn't very long compared to the length of part indeed. But the biggest diameter dictates the raw stock even if it's short.
@greg2337 5 жыл бұрын
If only the weldon holder was a short gage length. (I know you didnt have one) I bet that wouldve made a huge difference. Awesome apples to apples test. I think I'll save hydraulics for finishing only.
@Convolutedtubules Жыл бұрын
Hydraulics for finishing?
@legadousinagem7342 6 жыл бұрын
Congratulations, the video had very good.
@zaknefain100 6 жыл бұрын
What you're seeing in this test are the different harmonics of 3 systems. Each will tune differently for optimal results and the real work is in finding stable cutting conditions for each, then maximizing the material removal rate. Weldon is fine for roughing and lower speed operation. For most people, working with <10k rpm machines, they're probably a good economic choice. That aside, once you've maximized the material removal rate for each setup, you'll arrive at the true cost; cost per mm^3 removed. At that point you can stop thinking about the cost of the tool holder and more about the actual operating costs.
@StefanoLinguanotto 6 жыл бұрын
Nice camera angle. It looks like the coolant is only from under the insert... for sure I'm wrong but...
@laurenswijnschenk7032 6 жыл бұрын
No you are right. The coolant comes from the underside of the insert not the top.
@Earl.06 6 жыл бұрын
you cant compare a short Centro-P with a adaptive Weldon (adaptive cause its a Weldon mounted on a HSK to Capto adapter) if its HSK (im not sure) this is 50mm or more longer so...
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 6 жыл бұрын
To be exact the difference is 20mm. While I agree it's not the perfect test I wanted to test all three big plus holders. And I didn't have a shorter Big plus Weldon. In the best case scenario, you would test all three holders in their shortest possible configuration and in equal length configurations. Sadly I don't have all those in the shop. PS. As you can see in the first bit of the video when loading the tools this is on a BT spindle.
@awesomelife7355 6 жыл бұрын
its very slow fail
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 6 жыл бұрын
It's designed to be safe around humans. You shouldn't compare it to big expensive robot cells. You buy this to work on when you go home, but then for a reasonable price. So even if it takes longer than possible with a big robot cell it's still a better option ROI wise.
@StormP666 6 жыл бұрын
Nice work! But the movement of the robot is pretty slow and the smoothness between the transitions of the linear motions outside of the machine could be improved.
@daisygirl1212 6 жыл бұрын
Just hit that resonate frequency with the Weldon it didn't like. Tweaking Rpm and feed could remove that easily. I always thought Weldon were meh but looking into it they perform wonderfully.
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 6 жыл бұрын
Very true. Maybe I didn't stress it enough in the video or description but for myself this test was there to prove any holder can be made to fail if you want to. So all the video's you find online by manufacturers mean someone just has the feeds and speeds tweaked to get their wanted outcome. But that said I find myself in a position where I need to tweak the feeds and speed more often with the weldon than with the other two.
@richnodes1175 6 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t you use the shortest gage length for the Weldon? Those other tool holders are longer because they need to be. The Weldon can be a ton shorter and that makes a big difference in these tests. Almost seems like the Weldon had longer gage length.
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 6 жыл бұрын
I did because I wanted to compare the BT40 big plus versions of each tool. Where I couldn't get my hands on a big plus weldon shorter than that at that time. Same for the Centro-P, that could be shorter as well if I didn't want the Big Plus version. Might need to do a new video with a shrink holder as well.
@GeneralG1810 7 жыл бұрын
So is prime turning just reversing the feed direction or is there more to it than that?
@Strothy2 7 жыл бұрын
there are special insert for it and yeah it is that... reverse feed a bigger area of engagement stuff like that go to the sandvik channel they have a video on that topic... we use this tec now and it's so stuipidly fast!
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
In practise it looks like a DCMT insert just going the other way. But it's a little bit more complicated than that. It has a special holder and insert to make this a viable solution. But once you have the tool you can go crazy feeds with short chips and a very long tool life.
@enzobombs 7 жыл бұрын
Here is s cool video from WNT on how to handle the Centro P WD with the collet chuck. You can see pretty cool how it works. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnjKqoiMhbR9eMk
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
Brian Lorenzen Had watched that video prior to doing the installation. Yet the documentation that comes with the wedge collet tells you specifically you put it in straight. Still for the first time handling the tool it wasn't to much trouble.
@mohabdelmoniem 7 жыл бұрын
@3dtechdraw Thanks for sharing, I didn't expect the weldon to do so.
@WasNiksIsNiksWordtNiks 6 жыл бұрын
Mohamed Abdel Moniem Weldon holders are very underrated, or talked down upon while they’re are still a very good option. They’re pretty slim, don’t allow for much pulout, modern ones have good runout stats and are very affordable.
@whatmoughwedding 7 жыл бұрын
GREAT video!
@ScottMoyse 7 жыл бұрын
Can you put a link to the Fusion file in your video description please?
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
Done. But here is is again: Fusion File: a360.co/2fAZSoR
@whatmoughwedding 7 жыл бұрын
Also, EXCELENT Video for anybody watching.. when you are done watching clips fly make sure you go to the end to see the results. Laurens, if you do another cut I would start the video with 15 seconds of chips flying, they have all the results, then the 12 mins of RAW footage. Just a thought. Again, great info, thanks for sharing!
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. We are still getting into the video making, so learning with each comment.
@whatmoughwedding 7 жыл бұрын
You need to do an American version that has the values in Inches :-)
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
Actually working on that as we speak too, Just didn't think about that when we made the video.
@whatmoughwedding 7 жыл бұрын
SWEET!!
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
It's up find it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3mod6ioj9qpqpo
@hamsteaks5541 7 жыл бұрын
Just convert it. The value is 25.4. As for this video, it's very biased. Quite frankly, the weldon style actually seemed to outperform the high dollar CoroCrap.
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
And how is it biased in the way I said the Weldon did very well if you compare them on price? But it definitely didn't work at all in one test, so you can't say it was better. Part of what I wanted to show as well is that you can make any holder fail if you want it to. So yes in a lot of cases the Weldon would work great for roughing. Though not always on tool life. As for you it seems you are pretty biased against the CoroChuck. What caused that?
@mer9706 7 жыл бұрын
That poor GoPro lol. Nice programming!
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yes the go pro go it bad! Had to change the housing after this video. :p
@mer9706 7 жыл бұрын
LOL.Well Worth it.
@mer9706 7 жыл бұрын
I've done similar with a bmpcc and my workaround was to tape a flat sapphire watch crystal from Esslinger over the lens. Metal is no match for sapphire when it comes to scratch resistance ;)
@ArthurField 7 жыл бұрын
Man, it's just raining chips. Did you run this part previously to owning the coroturn prime B style? If so how does tool life and cycle time compare ?
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
Yes we did! Total part cycle time went from 8 minutes to 5 minutes and 30 seconds. (Didn't clock the roughing only) Tool life went over 600% compared to the previous tool.
@ArthurField 7 жыл бұрын
Those are some amazing results!
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
Yes! We were amazed. Even when we upped the cutting parameters to : 200m/min - Ap 2.5 - 1mm/rev tool life didn't seem to be changing. It's more your gut feeling telling you to now really change the insert, not that it's been completely worn like it was with the previous tool.
@ArthurField 7 жыл бұрын
3DTechDraw thanks for all the replys Gave you a subscribe, if you ever check out my channel I'd be curious to your feedback. GL in machining man.
@hamsteaks5541 7 жыл бұрын
3DTechDraw Wait...whaa? There should be specific data on when to change a cutting tool. Not "gut feeling". Now I want to call my Rep and cancel my test tooling.
@demetyolcu1967 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for so fantastic application, can you inform us abut the cutting parameters, please?
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
They are in the description. But here again: Cutting parameters: 187m/min - Ap 2.5 mm - 0.91mm/rev Material: 42CrMo4 +QT Later we upped to 200m/min - Ap 2.5 - 1mm/rev. and that ran great too.
@nikolaiownz 5 жыл бұрын
@@3DTechDrawCulemborg what insert do you run ? I got some 34 cr ni shafts that I make that needs alot of material removed
@daveprecise6915 7 жыл бұрын
rad! (: (: (:
@makestuffwithkids989 7 жыл бұрын
NICE!
@rlockwood2 7 жыл бұрын
#somuchwin
@laurenswijnschenk7032 7 жыл бұрын
Now I just have to improve my filming skills. ;)
@lineage13 7 жыл бұрын
Kinda sounds a bit like chatter.. finding the right rpms for your machine makes a big difference. I used to run super high rpms but then i found that around 12k for a 1/4" is sounds pretty good.
@laurenswijnschenk7032 7 жыл бұрын
Actually the facemill did chatter a bit because there was no support at the ends. The 10mm was fine but the plastic go pro cover makes it sound weird indeed.
@jortswitijnk832 7 жыл бұрын
what would the costs be for creating something like this?
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
What do you mean?
@jortswitijnk832 7 жыл бұрын
if for example i wanted to make a shape out of a block of aluminum and ordered a company to make this what would the costs be for the material, and work put in to it?
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 7 жыл бұрын
This is totally dependent on the shape and size. (And exact type of material) It could be anywhere from €50 to €10.000. If you would like a quote on a part you have in mind send us and e-mail at [email protected] and we would be happy to help.
@ScottMoyse 9 жыл бұрын
Which holder are you using there Laurens?
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 9 жыл бұрын
+Scott Moyse This is a WTE HPH. Your next question will be is it good? Well it's cheap. That says about it I guess.
@AutodeskHSM 9 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing the "chips flying" video!
@rlockwood2 9 жыл бұрын
It appears you forgot to video the cutting portion :)
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 9 жыл бұрын
+rob lockwood No no Rob, As said in the description that will be uploaded later. That needs some more editing! Made a couple different pieces for one mold so have hours of cutting video.
@rlockwood2 9 жыл бұрын
+3DTechDraw Ah, youtube had hidden the last two sentences, and my self diagnosed ADHD prohibits me from reading video descriptions. Carry on.
@ScottMoyse 9 жыл бұрын
Every time I stumble across this video I get drawn into it.
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 9 жыл бұрын
Scott Moyse We plan on making more video's soon!
@IscarRick 9 жыл бұрын
Yawn, You will never make any money wasting all that time. 4mm GRIP, 600 SFM, .008 IPR. Plunge straight in. Time in cut per groove, 6 seconds.
@denimdragon 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I take it that HSMWorks has a pretty accurate simulation?
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 9 жыл бұрын
denimdragon Thank you! The simulation is pretty good. Although I must say I didn´t machine simulate this. From experience I knew that there wasn´t going to be much trouble with the machine running into thing so I only simulated the machining it´s self.
@timothysvec8568 10 жыл бұрын
:). Nice
@3DTechDrawCulemborg 10 жыл бұрын
timothy svec Thanks;).