There's is no GOAT debate. MJ, Kobe, and maybe PED's LBJ.

Warriors suck without Steph this the worst team in the league

Luka doesn't catch and shoot as well as Kyrie because he's always been the #1 option.. Kyrie was #2 to LeBron in Cleveland and now is #2 to Luka, so he more opportunity to work on the catch and shoot 3

Arguments for Michael Jordan over LeBron James as the GOAT from someone who saw both of their careers. I will not really factor in MVP’s, All-Defensive Teams, etc. Both players should have actually won more MVP’s than they did if the award was actually for the best player and not for who caught the arbitrary hype wave at the right time each year. The argument for Jordan: 1. Greater Scorer: Jordan - easily. “But LeBron is the all-time leading scorer.” He is. But what objective basketball mind really believes that LeBron has more in his bag than Jordan. Please. 10 scoring titles to 1. Probably would have had two more had he not left the game for the better part of two seasons in his prime. 2. Greater Defender: arguably Jordan. The only thing worse than guarding Michael Jordan was having Michael Jordan guard you. Extremely difficult to score on. LeBron is really good defensively, but Jordan’s overall impact was even greater. 3. Greater Passer and Rebounder: LeBron - easily. Jordan was fine. LeBron was undeniably the greater passer and rebounder. 4. Greater Leader: draw. Two different approaches: fear and joy. Both with great results. In all transparency, I would rather play with LeBron than Michael. And if I were to build around one or the other, it would probably be LeBron for dispositional reasons. 5. Greater in the clutch: Jordan. LeBron is ok. Jordan was undeniably more clutch than LeBron, especially in the playoffs and even more so in the Finals. 6. Greater winner: Jordan. Easily. NBA finals 6-0 with no game 7’s. LeBron should be happy to be 4-6. Two of those wins were borderline lucky. 2013 finals against Spurs (thank you Ray Allen). 2020 bubble championship during Covid. Two of his losses in his prime years were really bad (2011 and 2014) that tip any remaining doubters to the Jordan side of the argument. 7. Longevity: LeBron. Easily. Summary: Prime Jordan was greater than prime LeBron. Jordan is unquestionably the greater scorer, arguably the better defender, more clutch and undeniably the greater winner of the two. LeBron was the greater passer and rebounder. It is also fair to say that 18-year-old LeBron may have been better than 18-year-old Jordan. It is also fair to say that 38-year-old LeBron is greater than 38-year-old Jordan. But the sum total of 25- to 35-year-old Jordan was greater than 25- to 35-year-old LeBron. Jordan was clearly the better player in their 20’s. It’s a toss-up between their 30 to 35 years. LeBron was clearly better from 35 to 40. All things considered: Jordan gets the nod. Primarily for the reasons outlined in their Final’s comparisons below. Bottom line: Jordan was more unstoppable, the greater competitor, more clutch, and the greater winner. Both top tier all-time great players. Jordan gets the nod. Still have doubts? I offer the following perspectives: 1. Imagine a roughly 28-year-old prime Jordan averaged a meagre 17.8 points, 7.2 rebounds and 6.8 assists against an aging Magic Johnson, James Worthy and the Lakers in 1992 in his first legitimate go at the NBA championship. And imagine that Jordan lost in 6 games. • Would you hold this dismal performance against him? Probably. • Jordan didn’t do this. LeBron did. Prime LeBron averaged these underwhelming numbers (including a game with only 8 pts) against a nearly 33-year-old Dirk Nowitzki and the Dallas Mavericks. Don’t act shocked when we see prime Jordan as better than prime LeBron. 2. Conversely, imagine a roughly 28-year-old prime LeBron averaged 35.8 points, 6.5 assists and 4.8 rebounds against the Mavericks in his first legit go at the NBA Title (I’m ignoring his first Finals, a bloodbath against prime Duncan and the Spurs). And imagine they won in dominant fashion 4 games to 1. Would you hold him in high regard for doing this? • LeBron didn’t do this. Jordan did. Prime Jordan averaged these numbers against a nearly 33-year-old Magic Johnson and the Los Angeles Lakers. In a 4-1 series win. Again, don’t act shocked when we see prime Jordan as better than prime LeBron. 3. Imagine Jordan’s best team, the 1996 Bulls, got spanked 4-1 in the NBA finals by a record 15 points per game by the Seattle Supersonics. Would you hold that against him? I mean like, REALLY hold this against him as Jordan and Pippen were way better than anyone on the Sonics. • This didn’t happen to Jordan, it happened to LeBron. Arguably LeBron’s greatest team with prime James, D-Wade, and Bosh got spanked 4-1 by a record average of 15 points by a veteran-led San Antonio Spurs team. Prime James and Wade were way better than anyone on the Spurs including a 38-year-old Tim Duncan who averaged 15 pts, 10 rebounds, and 2 assists. Furthermore, the Heat were a Ray Allen (not LeBron) shot away from losing the previous season to these same Spurs. 4. Imagine that Jordan lost the NBA finals in back-to-back years to the Utah Jazz in dominant fashion. In fact, the combined record was 8 to 1 with the second series being a sweep. And while Jordan was great, Karl Malone was arguably just as great. In fact, in the first head-to-head, Karl averaged 35.2 points, 8.2 rebounds and 5.4 assists. While Jordan was equally, if not more amazing at 33.6 points, 12.0 rebounds and 10.0 assists. While impressive, were not his stats in a 4-1 series loss somewhat empty? And if in the second series, Karl Malone went 28.8 points, 10.8 rebounds and 7.5 assists while Jordan again impressed with 34.0 points, 10.0 assists and 8.5 rebounds while getting swept. It is impressive. But its empty because they got swept 4-0. • This didn’t happen to Jordan. This all happened to LeBron. The numbers for Karl Malone above were Durant’s numbers against LeBron. The numbers for Michael Jordan above were LeBron’s numbers against Durant. • Don’t misunderstand. LeBron was undeniably great in these series. But Durant was just as great in the first series. Durant was not as great as LeBron in the second series, but still really great. And the bottom line is that the Warriors spanked the Cavaliers 8-1 over the two series. Don’t be surprised when we hold this against LeBron. If he is supposed to be better than Durant, then he should have found a way to at least make it closer than 8 to 1. And getting swept in the second series is not a good look for his all-time argument. If this doesn’t convince you that the nod goes to Jordan, oh well. I saw the entirety of both of their careers. They’re both amazing. But this is why Jordan is the superior player in my view.

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I would love to see cam Thomas become a villain

SG

Lowkey why Dillon Brooks been staying around, he took on the villain role, the Lance Stephenson, DeShawn Stevenson, all of em went at Bron at some point with the little nuances, on the other hand when stars do a nuance such as Curry’s night-night, KD been doing the “mini” 🤏🏾 shit lol Bro if Cam start doing this, he finna start seeing bigger/longer contracts, trust.

Free shoes is free shoes

Frobe #8 unstoppable

I'll say this. The Warriors were not wrong in thinking Jordan Poole was the future of the franchise. I think he did need time to grow up and mature, but I wish you all would've considered that and given him the time all young players need to develop. He's hooping now and his stats are on par with Steph. In fact since Thanksgiving JP is averaging 23ppg to Steph's 21ppg and he's shooting better than Steph from three. He's the type of player the Warriors need to help give Steph some rest. Just sad that y'all couldn't have worked it out and not given up on him so soon.

Come to the Rockets!!

😂😂😂

Zeke x NaS x Kobe get overlooked the most to me

Jordan played with Harper,Pip,Kukoc, Rodman! LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣. LBJ is the best guy to play

LBJ is the best player ever. Why do they talk about this????!

LBJ!!!!!!

Nah Penny ya'll won game 1,3,5 and 6 not games 2 and 4

Weak

Damon Stoudamire hand handles with a Dime 💎 Bag 💰

Another false narrative 😂🤣.

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This is like the story where the coach said whoever shoots an airball has to sprint and kawhi was like "nah man thats a part of the game i aint doin that"

you ppl see, and was shaq callin kd out for not saying nothing to Russ haha omg

Talk about that 50 point L

Dray with the worst NBA game of all time vs MEM Dec 19, 2024. When will Dray wear /address this embarrassment? The one day wrong end of the GOAT on Drays legacy, no one should watch Drays show until he talks about it, real media Dray?

MJ was a scrub. He only won 6 titles and couldn’t do it without Pippen. As he repeatedly said. His third year he avg only 37.1 ppg and couldn’t even hit 40. In 1988, he won mvp, dpoty, all star mvp and no ring. The worse 3 point shooter in nba all star 3 point history. Pshhh, MJ was ok . He got lucky Ron Harper got injured early in his career to become his teammate. MJ was a star at best, he ain’t no superstar like Timmy D. 🤣 let’s give BD his flowers before he came to the clippers and got fat. One of the smoothest handles, had legit lockdown D, shoot 3s/half court/full court shots, great court vision, and could legit throw down on the break. He had the chance n potential to be the greatest PG ever but settled for one of the greats.

MJ IS THE GOAT 2nd LBJ realtalk

I like that break down in the beginning

Penny was cooking Mike he’s being humble

Kyrie as a #1 option does squat. We've seen it. He's an elite roleplayer. Kyrie is nowhere near Luka's level.

Ya'll added Jordan Poole to this vlog when you need to add him back to the damn Warriors lineup! I think he did need to step away and grow up some but I also think the Warriors needed to have him step away to learn that you really did have good hooper that you developed and y'all shouldn't have taken for granted. A lot of what the Warriors have been missing is what he gave you. Being able to space the floor, ability to create for himself and others, breaking people down off the dribble, rim pressure, his first step is still ridiculous, can take over games and SCORE, plus that dude is shooting the fawk outta the ball right now! Again, everything the Warriors are missing. Hey! Ya'll trained him well!

You can get bagels but no cream cheese 😂😂

Bron has played 8 years more than MJ and are just breaking his records stop the 🧢

Why are we listening to a guy who's on LeBrons payroll?

NFL ex-players love the NFL today even with softer rules , ex-NBA Players hate the new NBA and it shows lol

Big enough to have possibly fooled people 🤡

Will he make it more than 6 games?

Lin woulda been an all star but jealousy

The Knicks , Especially At That Time Would Have Fumbled.

as a bron hater, timmy hater and mj hater, they’re just too good specially there team, bulls had easier route against weaker teams that i root for it was closest to a cakewalk, lbj was challenge a bit specially in the finals, but timmy had way more tougher competition, kobe shouldn’t be in this conversation as a robin for his 3 chips

This is why you need vets on nba teams

CAM TO THE WARRIORS

Theres that player who was in the first team defense,season mvp, finals mvp, and scoring title.. this was done only four times.. this player is 1. Jordan, 2. Jordan, 3. JORDAN, 4.Jordan

Theres that player who was in the first team defense,season mvp, finals mvp, and scoring title.. this was done only four times.. this player is 1. Jordan, 2. Jordan, 3. JORDAN, 4.Jordan

already know Bron side piece is gonna side w Bron.

Man! These dudes be following Draymond just to hate on him.

Finally we can listen to players that really know what they talking about.

Get Poole n they center n we good

My favorite moment is when you credited the offense to Stotts and the very next game, Kerr scrapped everything off of Stotts' book 😂😂😂 my second favorite is you calling out Edey and his coach and proceed to get decimated by 51 points the next time you played them 😂😂😂😂😂 this pod is hurting your team and you don't even know or care