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@cow7boy
@cow7boy 9 ай бұрын
Pardon my ignorance, but how is this mod different than just changing the front and rear sprockets? Don't you get the same result? Say I want to improve highway riding by making the gearing taller. I can go with a larger sprocket in the front or a smaller one in the rear or change both sprockets. Problem solved. How is this mod different or better than just changing the sprockets? Great video, by the way. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 9 ай бұрын
When you change sprockets you are moving the entire range of your gearing. For example, if you install a smaller rear sprocket, you increase your top speed. But you also increase the speed that 1st gear can go and makes it easier to stall in 1st. Swapping 5th gear makes the gap between 4th and 5th slightly wider and gives you a higher top speed without changing the torque or speed in the other gears. As for the 2nd gear swap, the gap between 1st and 2nd is notoriously big on this bike. What I mean by that is this: If you are in 1st gear, lets say you're revving the rpms relatively high and you're going 12mph and you're riding some trail in the woods. You now want to shift to 2nd and ride at the same or similar speed but at a lower rpm. So you shift to 2nd. Now you're going 15mph and your rpms are super low... if you go any lower you will stall! But you don't want to go 15-20mph. You want to go 12-15mph, but 2nd gear is too tall a gear to do that and 1st is too low! By swapping the 2nd gear on this bike, you bring that gear ratio down and make the shifts from 1st-2nd and 2nd-3rd more even and now you can use 2nd gear on the trail more comfortably WITHOUT changing your sprockets. That means you are getting the result that (most people) want without sacrificing top end speed. I hope this makes sense.
@jamesdenton3692
@jamesdenton3692 Жыл бұрын
Sorry 799 ,camera angle too bad to watch.
@JayJay-mt2fc
@JayJay-mt2fc Жыл бұрын
How is the power compared to a 250 2t?
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo Жыл бұрын
I would say it's a little bit smoother and not quite as snappy as a 250. However, it is much more aggressive and much more snappy than the KTM TPI 300's. I have not tried a KTM 300 TBI yet.
@JayJay-mt2fc
@JayJay-mt2fc Жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAbramo Thank you for the reply. I currently own the Tm 300Mx 4t, but I keep debating myself if I should sell it and get the 300 2t. I also own a Cr250 250 2t and was curios how the power differs between the 250 and a 300. As I thought the 300 is alot torquier motor and probably even easier to ride it since it's less snappy.
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo Жыл бұрын
@@JayJay-mt2fc it is way more mellow than your CR, that's for sure. But more snappy than KTM.
@JayJay-mt2fc
@JayJay-mt2fc Жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAbramo Thank you for all the info. If i go the two stroke route, the choice would between a Tm 300Mx or a Beta 300Rx.
@spiroskefallinos1522
@spiroskefallinos1522 Ай бұрын
Hello What jetting you fit on this bike?
@keithmcqueen7666
@keithmcqueen7666 Жыл бұрын
So much sand!
@dmsayemahbd
@dmsayemahbd Жыл бұрын
Hello, sir I want to talk about your KZbin channel. If you want to improve your social media accounts, you can take my help, I hope I can satisfy you.
@tdublove9558
@tdublove9558 Жыл бұрын
That ride isn't for the weak or a TW 200 dual sport but i tried and failed still had a good time until I hurt myself and my bike ❤ thanks for everything guys 😊
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo Жыл бұрын
Glad you gave it a try and that you made it out safely. Consider coming back next year!
@rhpowell250
@rhpowell250 Жыл бұрын
See ya soon!
@RyderSigety
@RyderSigety Жыл бұрын
looks fun
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo Жыл бұрын
You'd definitely enjoy the course. Lots of it is similar to your home trails
@therooster1969
@therooster1969 Жыл бұрын
If you thought Rattlesnake was rocky come run this one with us. You and dad are welcome to spend the night at my place, twenty miles from the race.
@bmwsob
@bmwsob Жыл бұрын
@17:35 "Finally, I gotcha" 😂😂
@Zombierippa
@Zombierippa Жыл бұрын
At 6:08 that poor rider, lucky. That looks rough but you will get the forks dialed and it will be better. 👍🏼
@craighoyt125
@craighoyt125 Жыл бұрын
yeah man!
@craighoyt125
@craighoyt125 Жыл бұрын
ha! I talk to myself the same way during a race!
@ivnepe
@ivnepe Жыл бұрын
I have that bike in 104 sag and forks in the 3 line
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo Жыл бұрын
Wow you must have the front end pitched very far forward. Interesting. With 104 sag at the first line, I have a very neutral, maybe slightly high rear end feel.
@ivnepe
@ivnepe Жыл бұрын
Great thank you for share your experience Every day we are more people with a TM bike Keep doing videos
@keithmcqueen7666
@keithmcqueen7666 Жыл бұрын
Nice! Bike sounds great
@BigEbikesports
@BigEbikesports Жыл бұрын
Your suspension is way to stiff, deflecting and killing your confidence.
@PennsylvaniaDualSport
@PennsylvaniaDualSport Жыл бұрын
The only reason I ever wanted to do this race is cause I can drive there in 45 minutes. Seems like every race or all our club events.. are always at least two hours away. Gotta get up super early then suck up the long ride home. Your bike definitely looks choppy. At least at an enduro you can take a minute and adjust things after a section
@alexorton6832
@alexorton6832 Жыл бұрын
Turn up your mic volume bud. Good video though 👍
@95jersey
@95jersey 2 жыл бұрын
A senior guy here. I like how honest you are being with yourself. But from watching this video your suspension is really throwing you around. Honestly I don’t think anyone could ride that bike fast. I have a yz250x and my Evo suspension is great and I can fly over the rocks. Everything you ride over is hanging you up.
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely had my clickers too stiff. I forget where they were at (it's written somewhere...) but I agree with you. I came from Michaux Dual Sport right to this race and my settings were totally wrong. I knew RORR would be rockier but also thought "it's still a harescramble!"
@95jersey
@95jersey 2 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAbramo I go soft for most HS races because the course gets so beat up. Even in Jersey except for Sahara.
@lukelingo9339
@lukelingo9339 2 жыл бұрын
When is 2k available? More xr650r videos!
@TheTownTechnician8993
@TheTownTechnician8993 2 жыл бұрын
Her man I live in north New Jersey. If your local and ever want to ride let me know!
@keithmcqueen7666
@keithmcqueen7666 2 жыл бұрын
Watched it 10 times. Can't wait!
@RyderSigety
@RyderSigety 2 жыл бұрын
Its really nice trail. Plus eliminates a potential safety problem.Definitely A level , video makes it look easy
@keithmcqueen7666
@keithmcqueen7666 2 жыл бұрын
@@RyderSigety all sand mounds from the earth movers in the 80's
@thatguyzack5093
@thatguyzack5093 2 жыл бұрын
Stand up more! It'll take time to build fitness, but it'll pay you back in endurance and speed. Aggression is hard to learn, it comes easily to some but you gotta feel it to make some of those passes. Take those f-bombs and store the energy up for a pass. Even when someone isn't too much slower than you, run up on them really hot from behind and ride their rear tire to pressure them. You can then take opportunities for other line choices and make a move. REV UP THAT 2 STROKE! Fly up behind them, pull the clutch, twist that throttle a couple times to make some noise. People will get out of your way if you make your intentions known.
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, funny I've been racing this bike for 4 years and I only just realized this past year how hesitant I am about turning the throttle all the way. It's something I really started focusing on after this race.
@guesswhooldtimer2358
@guesswhooldtimer2358 2 жыл бұрын
First to second gear change was absolutely perfect for off and on road use.
@keithmcqueen7666
@keithmcqueen7666 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@keithmcqueen7666
@keithmcqueen7666 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@countryliving4869
@countryliving4869 2 жыл бұрын
What gearing u running?
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 2 жыл бұрын
I currently have on 15/48. Normally for the woods I run 14/48 but the 15 was fine here. On this lap I was mostly in second and third gear, sometimes fourth, in the woods, and fifth out in the fields. Never first gear. I should have changed to a 14 but I forgot. I wouldn't have had to feather the clutch in third gear so much which makes my hand tired.
@bullockracing7580
@bullockracing7580 2 жыл бұрын
Nice ride! This course was challenging for sure, the dust was just the icing on the cake. The 2 "small" hills turned into sand whoops throughout the night! Had a blast as a first timer (may come back next year!)
@mxsmitz201
@mxsmitz201 2 жыл бұрын
The video doesn’t do the track or conditions any justice!! I guess you just gotta do a 24hr race to fully understand 😂
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 2 жыл бұрын
This was at about 1pm or so. The track wasn't totally clapped yet, but it was soft and there weren't many berms just yet. Not to mention, the camera cuts through a lot of the dust and smooths things out. Check back in a bit for 2K quality to be available
@mxsmitz201
@mxsmitz201 2 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAbramo yea I couldn’t believe how the track evolved throughout the event. My last lap at 9:30am was probably the funnest one I had
@keithmcqueen7666
@keithmcqueen7666 2 жыл бұрын
That bike is a mind fuck! Barely off idle and it's hauling the bacon!
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 2 жыл бұрын
Check back in a little bit - 2k quality will be available
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 2 жыл бұрын
That crashing noise you hear sometimes when going over rough braking bumps or downhill is the sound of the license plate hitting the silencer. Dual sport problems. Also the camera was not recording for the first half mile or so.
@keithmcqueen7666
@keithmcqueen7666 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid!
@overkilldyl6841
@overkilldyl6841 3 жыл бұрын
Tried to find a 600 countershaft but I guess it’s pretty impossible now lol
@RyderSigety
@RyderSigety 3 жыл бұрын
Voices in ur head, lol
@RyderSigety
@RyderSigety 3 жыл бұрын
That looks really fun!
@scotttaggart
@scotttaggart 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I just bought a 650L today and the seller recommend this mod so here I am! Dumb question: if you change the 2nd and 5th gears, don't they change diameter? I can't see how you could not also have to change the opposite gears to 2 and 5. Second issue: I'm a bit confused because the XR650L service manual shows M2 as a 16T gear, not 17T. Also, you show the second gear as a 28T but the other writeups show the 16T and you even mention the 16T, not 28T???
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 3 жыл бұрын
The outer diameters of the gears are the same. It's a non issue. I think in your second point you referenced the description of the video? I fixed the mistake. I don't know why the manual says M2-16T. In any case, you're swapping the 17T to a 16T. It's been a while so my memory of all this is not perfect.
@guesswhooldtimer2358
@guesswhooldtimer2358 2 жыл бұрын
The mechanic the rebuilt my worn counter shaft sprocket spline was not sold but the NV gear works. He said the clicked through the gears several times to make sure it would work. It’s something about the gear cut. Make sure to swap to the 600R drive sprocket. Flip it outside in. Worn countershaft splines mean a complete tear down.
@monsoon3868
@monsoon3868 3 жыл бұрын
Three years in still a useful video , Thanks for posting it.
@scottjost8736
@scottjost8736 4 жыл бұрын
Will this also work in the xr650r?
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 4 жыл бұрын
No. Totally different gears. There are no known gear swaps for the XRR.
@scottjost8736
@scottjost8736 4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAbramo ok thanks that what i was thinking since they use different part number. I wish there was a gear swap for them a new 5th would make a world of a difference
@yourmomshouse6984
@yourmomshouse6984 4 жыл бұрын
Why U no tap
@daddybabyvillager4711
@daddybabyvillager4711 5 жыл бұрын
So what are the results....was it worth it?
@MAKENTRAX
@MAKENTRAX 5 жыл бұрын
Sweet trails mate. 👌
@jholl326
@jholl326 5 жыл бұрын
I've seen a part number 23421-mn9-010. Do i use the one listed here on the one I've seen?
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 3 жыл бұрын
You have the correct part number
@jakeactual612
@jakeactual612 5 жыл бұрын
Michael, I was on your row at Pine Barons clock run. I didn't make it to the second check at Broad Mountain. Hey thanks for putting up this video. And congratulations on finishing the toughest course in the series!
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 5 жыл бұрын
Hey I remember you. At broad mountain the first (or second, can't remember) and last sections were the most challenging, in my opinion. I didn't finish the event when I attempted 2 years ago. Happy to have at least taken home something last weekend
@stevelazo82
@stevelazo82 5 жыл бұрын
I could not finish. I ate shit on a steep downhill and I couldn't hack it the rest of the way. Cool video man, good job! I made a video on my channel also.
@RENN477
@RENN477 5 жыл бұрын
Good riding dude , you finished 5th overall in C . Not bad bro , Shit looked knarly . Yz 250 ? , I did the Stump Jumper a few weeks ago
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 5 жыл бұрын
5th in C250. 19th in overall C. Riding a yz250x.
@JosephNB1989
@JosephNB1989 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this
@buckyrides6165
@buckyrides6165 5 жыл бұрын
Could u put a link for the gears? Cause everywhere I looked they were both close to 200+ dollars a piece and I’m not sure I was looking at the right parts.
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 5 жыл бұрын
Added the part numbers to the description. The 5th gear is difficult to source in the US. I actually bought the gear almost 2 years before doing the conversion. Watch ebay because some dude imports them in bulk from europe. They were originally in the NX650 and FMX650.
@stmboat
@stmboat 6 жыл бұрын
I'm doing these same mods, kickstart and what have you. Did you choose a group to take care of your cylinder and head work? Maybe you're leaving it idk.
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 6 жыл бұрын
No head work. Local machine shop for the bore and hone. Honestly I don't need to squeeze power out of this bike. With the right gearing it'll pull 100mph. I just put a high comp piston in to try it out. Reliability is most important to me
@markmcdaniel6006
@markmcdaniel6006 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@ronromano9140
@ronromano9140 6 жыл бұрын
what are the part numbers for these gears and shaft & what did you do to complete the kickstarter
@MichaelAbramo
@MichaelAbramo 5 жыл бұрын
Part numbers added to the description. Once you have the countershaft from the XR600, you need an XR600 or XL600 clutch cover, kickstart spindle assembly, and the kick lever.