Hi Jeff, Agave was used for everything from eating to making baskets. Google, “How agave was used by southwest Native Americans”. Also the following link has the basic information Agave Use . Some of the areas may have also been used for beans, corn and/or squash. Depending on water source, terrain, type of soil dictated how planting was done. In this case the grids can be thought of as mini dikes, that would retain some of the monsoonal rains or canal water. Extra: There are patterns for growing food similar to our grids that have brought back life to deserts located in Africa.

@@nevadadronearchaeology3554 T should have been bright enough to check the internet. Dikes as in growing rice. One more bit of proof that there was a drought.. a big one. Very much enjoy your videos. Thanks

It is a great find, but I did not come across it myself. I was lucky enough to be given the site information.

Thanks, it’s much appreciated.

1991 is as far back as the clear satellite images go...

A ¼ mile in diameter is really big. I am guessing that you and your colleague work in an area where you have access to these types of maps/images. I am only saying this because as you know, satellite images on platforms such as Google Earth in 1991 that you can see, are rare. I envy people with that kind of access, especially when you are trying to locate the types of things I look for. Bob [email protected] or [email protected]

It has been a while since I was there, but looking through my still photos near the rings I have two photos of possible small thumb scrapers.

Thanks guys, the comments are much appreciated. As people know my main interest are the geoglyphs, but I have been lucky enough to see a few really nice rock art sites over the years.

Thanks guys, the comments are much appreciated. As people know my main interest are the geoglyphs, but I have been lucky enough to see a few really nice rock art sites over the years.

Thanks guys, the comments are much appreciated. As people know my main interest are the geoglyphs, but I have been lucky enough to see a few really nice rock art sites over the years.

Hi Jay, I am very interested. I’ve been to several sites not far from the Oatman site. The link will show all the videos if you have not been there before www.youtube.com/@nevadadronearchaeology3554/videos About 4 years ago I uploaded what I called Gila River Sites 1-22. I may have got lucky and visited your sites. My email address is [email protected] [email protected]. If you contact me by email, I can get you my phone number and we can talk. Thanks Bob

Jeff, here is the little bit that I do know along with a few guesses. I am sure the term sleeping circle goes way back, but in reports that I have gone over dating from the early 1920’s and 1930’s plus current reports all use the term. Sleeping circles are normally cleared, circular areas - others may be different shapes - with or without berms. They were smetimes used for temporary or seasonal habitats, which were built on the cleared areas for shelter. Like with rock rings, some rings were the base of a wikiup type of shelter, and others are for ceremonial use. It’s the same for sleeping circles, some were used for layovers on the trail, and others may have also been for ceremonial or gatherings purposes. The one thing certain is these sites are not, are animal wallows or caused by brush movement. Jeff, if you or anyone else has “insider” information (Native American) on this subject I would be very interested. Thanks for feedback Bob

@@nevadadronearchaeology3554 Thanks for the response. It is an intriguing . I'll do a bit of investigating.

Robert, thanks for your comment. In parts 2 & 3 which I will be uploading soon, you will see a couple of others very close by that I’m sure you came across at the same time. With all three it made for a good trip.

Thanks very much for the comment, and for the offer. If I am not mistaken Alex Kerekes of “Stories by Alex” on KZbin www.youtube.com/@storiesbyalex lives somewhere in your general area. He has an excellent KZbin page if you have not seen it yet, dealing with California and beyond. Thanks again, Bob

I totally agree. See my comment to Greg above.

Greg, I try to get to a site early, but many times by the time I hike into a site it’s later than I would like, and as you said direct light flattens everything out. Low level works well as a reveal, but it has to be straight down to view the site. If the intaglio is well defined you get a good shot. This site has a lot of damage as you can tell, and I don’t think early morning or early evening would have made much difference. The main thing that would help would be for me to be a whole lot better at color grading my work. The best thing would be to have what “Green Jeep Adventures” suggested, a D-stretch program for dirt. (See comment below)

I do not of any. I have only heard people mention that there are many tales for that area.

Bud, yes kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmKkd2CniMyKjqc To see all: www.youtube.com/@nevadadronearchaeology3554/videos Thanks for watching.

And I appreciate the comments.

I agree, especially sites 7 & 8.

The Singer 1 & 2 intaglios are different than most that I have been fortunate see. I’m not sure about the Panamint Valley, but I know I can’t use the drone in most of the Death Valley area.

Very possible, but I’m not sure.

Thanks, it’s much appreciated.

Hi Cody, it’s funny that you mentioned these two sites. I just got back from them. I photographed the grids with no problems, but did have problems getting into the pueblos. I had all my entrances gps and it should have been an easy trip. I found one spot where the fence was not posted, and where I could have hopped over. Most everyplace was either posted or had construction workers, laying what looked like sewer pipe near by. I will be going back down there after the first of the year to get my photos. Have you been to the site, and can you recommend the best entrance are for the pueblos? Please reply to my [email protected] Bob

Awesome! I am very familiar with the grids in the southwest and have been fascinated by them for years. Thank you so much for posting the location of these grids in Agra Fria. I remember reading about other grids in the state, but did not know where they were. I hope I can see them in real life someday!

OverUnder, some how I missed that Cody had publicly given the coordinates that particular site. But regarding the other agave site you might be interested in this video on Archaeology Southwest check it out it is very informative at about 16:04 are agave grids. And the rest of the video is also really good. This video is part of the Archaeology Cafe Online. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6aTp2yhqZ17qpY Bob

Thanks Mr Williams

..... and thank you.

Yep, you may and probably are right, I’m not in a position to know for sure. It was an interesting thought and theory that I felt was worth repeating. The only thing that I do know for sure is here in Nevada it is common to see much smaller stones set in these configurations. Thanks for the feedback, Bob

I talked to a BLM archaeologist a while back and he stated that he would like to see them all fenced, but there is no money in the budget for that type of project. Like GreenJeep above said if nothing else, a few posts would help. The only report on the horse that I read, said no older than 1500’s, but probably at least 200 years old.

Since they are not fenced, I believe the majority are accidental off road travel; however, I have seen one case of political defacement of one site that was fenced and marked, while another was purposely defaced by dirtbikes. See Yuha geoglyphs. They had to lift the bikes over the fence.

Most of the intaglios are very difficult to see until you are right on them and at 30 miles per hour on an ATV you would never know that you just destroyed something that could be a 1,000 years old. BLM could have prevented this type of destruction. On the other side of the coin, I been to several other sites where it is obvious destruction. Fences are cut, and even heavy wire gate cables have been cut. Then come the donut’s by the dirt bikes or ATV’s. I like to think that most of the damage is accidental and could have been prevented by BLM action. The rest I think is flat out malicious.

What’s sad, it would have cost so little to put up a few post like you said. It wouldn’t stop the “on purpose” destruction, but the accidental would be reduced.

I agree most of the defacement is accidental and for the more prominent ones some fencing should be done. But this channel well-documents just how many there are. My "informal survey" of rock alignments along the Gila show it's impractical to fence everything kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqaTnnqcqKqYa5o .

You are correct, I can’t’ argue with what you said. But geoglyphs are easier to see and avoid by someone off roading. Intaglios are another story. Many times, they are very difficult to see and much easier to destroy by accident. Like you said the agencies should have tried harder to protect the more prominent or intricate ones, most of the time they failed, and that was usually because of the lack of funds. You have done a great job with your channel. Your video on the Gila geoglyphs is excellent and you did a great job on it. Thanks for providing the link. @@hansenaz53

I think the only thing preventing the use of Lidar is funding for the agencies.

A few uses: Agave fibers were used to make bowstrings, brushes, cradles, nets, shoes, skirts, mats, rope, baskets, and snares. Slow roasted, agave hearts were converted into sweet food which could be cached winter months. Here in Nevada the agave pits are very large. Hopefully soon I’ll get back and photograph them for this channel. Thanks Bob

Mike, is this something you are able to share? If so, please email me at nvrockart@ gmail.com Thanks Bob

Good point.

Interesting point. They would have access to seasonal water if any, but no regular supply.

Not a single one. I am guessing that a habitat area was nearby where that type of thing would be found.

I wish you were correct, but it’s not.

Because these are not game walls. These are ceremonial, not utilitarian. Geoglyphs and intaglios like this one are strictly ceremonial in use. Along the spine of this geoglyph there are multiple spots where rock configurations are attached. It is possible that this site was used in preparation for a hunt, but not as part of the hunt or whatever the reason for the drive.

Interesting story. Roebuck told Sears to shove it after he made his 1st million. One of his relatives was a silent partner with Bill Gates and is now retired in northern Nevada with a portfolio worth more 3.5 billion dollars.

Don’t know for sure, but there are dry washes not far away. So maybe seasonal water.

You guys are right, it must have been an “All Hands On Deck” project. Personally, I think its very cool from the air and almost not recognizable on the ground if you were not expecting it.

You guys are right, it must have been an “All Hands On Deck” project. Personally, I think its very cool from the air and almost not recognizable on the ground if you were not expecting it.