I know... and she's become the very person she couldn't stand in the early 80s when she came on the scene. She used to LEAD it.. now she's playing Gramma Catchup and trying to look like a Kardashian.

@@creativewriter3887 , She is so filthy rich. She's just doing what the hell she wants. And good for her.

@@creativewriter3887 This is an absurd statement. Why would 1980s Madonna resent an older woman traveling the world, collaborating with obscure queer artists, and partying it up? Moreover, she’s embraced every new trend and innovation that’s come along. She’s nothing today like the old bogies she did this panel with were then.

@@zenobianone I think James Brown and HIS legacy would disagree. And un-clutch those pearls, Agnes.. you're asphyxiating with faux moral outrage.. or simply take a Xanax

@@creativewriter3887 James Brown didn’t utter a word in this video so why would you think he was being discussed? 😭 No moral outrage here, you’d just have to know nothing about Madonna to think at any point in her life she’d be embarrassed by a woman living her life to the fullest at any age 🤷🏼‍♂️

It helps that she was only in her 20's back then. Of course she could get away with less makeup.

Prince, David Bowie, Ozzy, Mick Jagger, Alice Cooper, etc. I could list a million musicians who put on an act when they're on stage. It's more than just the music. There's costuming, emoting, facial expressions, hand gestures, dancing, etc. Madonna was no more calculating or ambitious than any of those people. They were all acting. But once again, the woman gets scrutinized for being calculating and ambitious. Taylor Swift said it best: "There's a different vocabulary for men and women. When a man does something, it's strategic. When a woman does the same thing, it's calculated."

@@hutch1197 A feminist perspective? Madonna IS a calculating ambitious performer who quote, wanted to "rule the world ". Some artists just want to sing, write and perform their songs on stage, that's the point John Oates was making.

@@richalderson6069 You describe her as though her ambitions were sinister. I understand what Oates was saying. But Madonna's point was that when you perform on stage, you ARE acting. When Oates performs on stage, does he just stand there motionless/expressionless, strumming a guitar and singing into a microphone? Of course not. He dances around, often wears outfits designed for him. He emotes, makes dramatic facial expressions, etc. There is stage lighting and other things to amp up the show. Does Oates normally do those things in everyday life when not on stage? Of course not. Why? Because that's a performance. It's part of an ACT. So, Madonna was pointing out that he's already an actor, just doing it live on stage. Doing a music video is just taking it to another medium and another level.

@@hutch1197 Playing music on it's own terms isn't acting. But making videos where you play characters or dressing up with dance routines is. But of course there are different degrees to which people have an act or not and obviously once the MTV video age started happening you either embraced it or you would probably not have major success in the pop world and Madonna knew that. It also helped that she was strong and confident and was completely comfortable in the spotlight.

You don’t seem to understand. If you want to consistently play a song a certain way, you have to act. What I mean is that you make your voice a certain way. You many also need to put your mind and feelings into a certain place as well. It’s acting. How else can you play a song that way unless through acting. I shouldn’t have to lay this out before you, but another example is let’s say you try to record all song right out of bed. We’ll it won’t be the same as if you’ve been up all day, had your coffee and had some warm up time for your voice. You can’t say there isn’t some amount amid acting therefore.

I thought it was a bit stupid of her to equate singing a song in front of people with what a professional actor does.

@@user-no7vv5gi2v Why not? On stage, most musicians, even rock musicians, incorporate movement, emotion, facial expressions, etc. that they wouldn't otherwise use. There's even costuming and lighting. Instead of the script being spoken in words, it's sung. It's absolutely acting. John Oates himself wears specific outfits, dances around and makes all sorts of exaggerated facial expressions when performing. Does he walk around doing that when not on stage? No. Because, on stage, he's acting.

​@@hutch1197 None of what you described amounts to what a professional actor does though. There is a difference between having some element of ingenuine performance and being an actor.

@@user-no7vv5gi2v It wasn't stupid at all. It was brilliant. She wasn't equating anything. She was explaining how they were relative--a point that you didn't get. She realized the importance of a new medium, which the washed up music artist John Oates failed to realize. And when you're making a video, it is very much acting if you make the kind of music videos she made (THE KIND THAT SELL)

She really completely missed the point Oates was making, he was talking about how so many are relinquished to dedicate their lives to something that they do not care about. To interrupt for something so semantic is childish.

Some people fear and loathe change and some people accept that change is inevitable and embrace it. Guess which one Oates was.

I agree. Which was shocking because most their 80s videos are like mini movies so she was right. I was just going through my collection and found their H20 album.

He's literally just saying record companies shouldn't force artists to do thinks they don't want to, that's not objectionable in the slightest.