Hi the result is great. is there a way to automate this for several negative

The curve adjustment layer in PS has its first preset called Color Negative Film.

Stunning video and contribute for the community of Large & Ultra Large Format Photography,many thanks Tony!

I used Valve grinding paste when I made mine, it was a much smaller quantity to purchase and was fine enough to give me a good result.

I enjoy shooting both but 4x5 is more economical for me.

Glad I found this video. I am at the point where I am hunting for a back pack but your video has made me realise that perhaps I don't need a new bag. I have an excellent Mammot hiking back pack so all I'd need is wraps and inserts.

With a bit of experience, it becomes easy enough to judge that type of light that velvia can handle, though if i was shooting large format, I would probably check with a light meter. It's a great film for relatively low contrast scenes, which can be anything from full sun with limited shadows to dark forests on dull days.

Do you get noticeable vignetting with rise and fall? I have a Tomiyama 617 with a 90mm Super Angulon and not having rise is what kills it for me. I could swap it for an adapter back maybe ...

Would be cool to see some sample photos from it

Tony ..love the presentation ..wish I had tuned into this sooner ..I am kicking off ..etith s crown graphic and Calumet 4 X 5

Great video! I was hoping you could talk about 4x10, I think prints from that format would be interesting but I've never tried it.😄

the sinar p2 has this scale for focusing built in. Superb video.

My Sinar (and I guess that this is where specific products may differ), tells me to focus on the distant object (using the rear standard), zero the readings on the microfocus wheel and the reading for degree of tilt before then focusing on the near object. This will give me an aperture reading. I use that at the lens and, and then I turn my focus back to a reading of one half of that aperture - i.e; defocusing both of the objects in the ground glass.

I've wanted a camera with some way of taking 6x17cm images since I bought David Meunch's book on panoramic photography 30+ years ago. Still don't have one. I did recently pick up a 4x10" view camera and a couple of film holders, and hope to start working with it soon. I have a winter trip planned to northern Arizona and southern Utah maybe in January or February, depending on the weather. I've always wanted to do the North Rim in snow. We'll see.

Extremely helpful! Is there such a reference table for medium format or even 35mm?

Thanks for providing practical exercises to practice this technique with clear visual demonstration. Incredibly helpful for us visual and hands on learners 😊

Great video, and thanks so much for the shout out Tony! Love those Zion panos, makes me want to get back out there and burn some rolls of 120. You'll have to show me a good food spot or two around Vegas next time I'm coming through!

amazing video! I've been thinking about getting into panoramas myself, it's just soo expensive! and funnily enough, this video just so happened to answer my question whether (and if to which degree) 6x17 would work on a 4x5 (roughly 9x12, mind you!) camera. are you sure that the frames somewhere around 15:50 were actually shot on velvia? the edge markings read "RDPIII", pointing to provia

Macro is very easy with big formats, if you don't have much bellows draw you just use short lenses. 35mm lenses and enlarging lenses are awesome for big formats like 8x10

I get a hum all the way through this video.

A word on the 75mm lens for 6x17: It works pretty well with this back (I have used it for a while) and is pretty much the lower end of the focal length range you can use with these backs. Maybe the 72mm lenses will work, too. Only thing is: You need a camera which can handle these lenses, I used it on a Wista with a wide angle bellows. I eventually sold my back because I didn't like the handling, although I love panoramic images. Using a 5x7" camera with such a back is probably a good alternative way to go. I never thought about it.

I've been very happy with 1/2 dark slide from interpid on a 4x5 camera. Gives you around 125x45mm negatives (1:2.78). No lens limitations. 4 shots per 4x5 sheet film holder seems like a great alternative to 6x17 and is in fact a much more compact setup than my horseman 6x12 roll film holder.

Hi Tony, Thanks for another informative and entertaining video. I routinely print 20 inch X 60 inch archival pigment prints with good result. My experience is that biggest factor relating to apparent sharpness is the viewing distance. Since my large images are viewed from 5 to 6 feet away, they appear tack sharp. This of course won't apply to other photographers who will invariably view your ridiculously large print from several inches away!

There's hum underlying the audio track (I'm listening with good headphones); easy to fix in post, but YT doesn't provide the option to just exchange the video. Regarding an alternative to a 6x17 back on a 4x5 camera - a 5x7 camera, since it gives the full 17 cm, even with longer focal lengths. The format is a bit "exotic", though, and film stocks in this format are limited. Still something to consider (smaller and more light-weight than 8x10, but larger than 4x5). An interesting side note on 5x7: its ratio of 1.4 resembles the ISO A formats (1.414, the square root of 2).

I bought one of these backs for my 4X5 Crown Graphic back in 2017. I took the setup to the Alabama Hills in the Eastern Sierras (California) to capture the sunrise in the boulders. I did get some stunning results but have not used the combo since. My issues are these, I don't have the wall space for 4-6ft wide print to give it proper justice and secondly, social media is just not the right place to show off the results effectively and finally, I don't want or need the hassle of selling prints. However there is hope, enough time has passed that I'm feeling the need to give it another try just for the challenge. Thanks for the video.

4x5, 8x10? Many years ago I purchased a 5x7 Korona built in the 1920's with full front and rear movements. Film choices are limited, but my 4 3/8" (111mm) Dagor provides perfect coverage and gives me full 17 width. I just crop the top and bottom as appropriate to compose the image. Strange, but I also like the 450mm Nikkor on the 5x7. Very interesting perspective. Because it is a 5x7 there is no rear standard interference. Also the 5x7 is much lighter than the 8x10. Thanks once again for the GREAT video.

As always thanks for the tips, great video

I started with this back but then I liked the format so much that I have purchased a Shen Hao SH617 which is easier to work with. Expensive, yes

I love the Pro 400H image that you mentioned had light glow reflecting within the park. Especially that bottom image - just wow, beautiful. I also think that magenta hue of the expired film looks great!

As always, super informative and entertaining.

I've had the Dayi 617 back for about a year now and I've had two real problems with it. One is it can get a light leak through the dark slide slit. I just don't remove it all the way now. The other is I have not been able to leave a roll in the back for any length of time as the roll gets loose and fat rolls on me. I've adjusted the metal tabs inside but it doesn't really help. I wish it had some kind of ratchet system so the roll could not roll backwards and loosen up or at least a knob on the left side so I could tension the film. My favorite lenses are my 135 Nikkor and 90mm Rodenstock. I have to use a recessed lens board on the 90mm to achieve infinity focus but it works and I also have the center filter for it. BTW if you have a 5x7 camera laying around they do make a 617 back for that and you will not have issues with the frame getting cut off by the rear standard on any lens.

What a nice idea: 11-year review, none of those reviews after one photo session. Interesting to see, I'v been considering one for years but the drawbacks.. I've been so happy with my 15 or so yrs old DaYi 6x12 back. If I had a 5x7 camera I'd probably have got one as 6x17 back for 5x7 camera uses normal ground glass and can use any focal length. One often overlooked method for panos is a dark slide that has been cut in half. I got one ready made such for my 4x5 allowing me to shoot 2x5 panos, two shots per sheet. Not quite 6x17 but wider than my 6x12 back gets me. Easy to make one yourself too and weights nothing. Easy to carry with just in case too. Cuts film cost by 50% too when you get 2 panos per sheet instead of one crop. The drawback of cur darkslide is funky viewing angle as you need to use rise/fall heavily. That makes viewing ground glass not as nice. A half cut darkslide would allow using 8x10 for more resolusion too with 4x10 panos and should cost nothing but a piece of plastic to cut.

The Shen Hao 6x17 is an amazing camera. I did consider buying a panel back to go on my 4x5, but had the money to get the real thing. I don't have a single regret because it rapidly became my default field camera, so my 4x5 has increasingly been left at home. It helps that 120 film is cheaper and I can buy a much wider variety of stocks. I do need to buy a different lens, either a 115 or 90mm, but I'm not sure which to get. I'm in no rush though.

So nice follow up!

It's a great video~!

Great video. Thank you. Just ordered the smaller sister, a 4x5 F2. 😊

Hello Tony, First of all, I want to thank you for all the information in all your videos. I was looking to buy the Nikon Nikkor 150mm SW but it is really expensive, instead I got the Schneider Super Angulon 165mm f8 with an image circle of 395mm @f22 and 100 degree angle of view. It is a bit narrow than the Nikkor SW 150. I was also looking to get the Schneider 150mm f/5.6 Super-Symmar XL but it is very expensive and difficult to get. I also found the Rodenstock 155mm f6.8 with image circle of 382mm @f22 and 102 degrees angle view, very expensive and hard to come by. Thank you again!

First, thank you for your videos. As a fellow Las Vegan (well, Henderson, really), I appreciate your videos regarding the areas around Vegas. I have a box of Velvia that is 23 years expired! I recently got out to Lake Mead and took some photos. It was crazy, they turned out fairly decent. There was a slight magenta cast but was easily corrected in LR. I did add two stops to the exposures, which was about right.

my 500 👍

In the end, is there anything you can do to CONTROL print enlargements (other than printing yourself)?

I have a question: why did you use a Portuguese rooster ( Galo de Barcelos) in the shot? Are you Portuguese?

I'm an XPAN guy, thinking about 617!

Is this measurement method really most useful when you cannot apply tilts? I mean I know it can work in all senarios, even with tilts done, but im thinking if your setting up in the dark and you are really rushed, and can only see with the lens wide open this would be the method i would use, or say at the coast and your FG has very high rock starta in front of you but you want whats down and lower behind it in focus, I would use this method. Using this method, is this like hyperfocal focusing a large format camera.. do you need to know how far from the fg you are in order for this to work?

Inspiring 6x17 format shots!!!!👍👍👍

Fascinating!

Thank you very much! 😃

That pack is the gold standard on climbing and with good reason, those are fireplace related holes, wich is dynema weakness as its melting point is lower than nylon. White works best to actually see whats inside the pack.

Go mountaineers

Does the focus spread method (difference and set to half way between) work with tilts and swings? Or is that irrelevant? Would you use the tilt/swings to get near and far in focus then stop down the aperture to help with the middle ground?

I too have a couple boxes of expired velvia 50 in 4x5. I feel really bad letting it just sit in my freezer. This video really inspires me to shoot some color soon. Great video, Tony!