This is such a great video. Would be awesome if you did an updated version of it!
@cheechwizard65419 ай бұрын
You should concentrate on stopping your forward cast way earlier.
@cheechwizard65419 ай бұрын
The Ultimate 7 Weight streamer rod…. is not a single handed rod 😉 I’d say something like a Burkheimer 10’6”-11’ switch. A little shorter if you’re really into single hand casting, but really why would you?
@dariuswhite300211 ай бұрын
Thats crazy it looked like the line started dropping low at the end of the cast and the it just arc upwards
@kurtjensen7930 Жыл бұрын
Surprised not to see the Sage payload!
@felipecamargo7890 Жыл бұрын
Rod/reel combo with fishing kit as an emergency setup kzbin.infoUgkxntWMOZsO1Zfv-pdn_XuffEtNkTYAYu4Z recommend but started to use this every day. The rod is thick and seems durable. I keep it neatly tucked into a regular backpack all the time with my fishing gear, and can grab it anytime, put it on my back and go anywhere. I just read in another review that the rod length below the reel is adjustable as well, so I will try that too for even more portability. Probably the best setup I've ever owned. I lost the cap for the eyelets, but no big deal since I still have the black cloth sheath that came for the pole and I use that. Very portable and high quality.
@JoelSzymczyk Жыл бұрын
250 gr is AFTMA standard 9 weight. So if your rod performs well with a 250 gr, you have a nine weight with a 7 weight sticker on it. I know this is 5 years old, and it's only getting more stupid as time goes by. I guess it's time to just abandon weight standard designations.
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@billhammett1742 жыл бұрын
"grains" - don't we do pounds/ounces in the USA?
@dgilchrist63612 жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching and sharing this video with new fly fishers for 4 years now. It’s simply one of the best videos I’ve ever found that explains the relationships between the rod - fly line - and fly so well. Regardless of rod wt. Todays rods as well as vintage rods all have a range of action’s that require figuring out the best set up of fly lines to make them shine. So like he says, there really aren’t any bad rods. You just have to find the set up that works best for you. I often fish 4 to 5 different fly lines on my streamer rods depending on conditions.
@kevingeary14722 жыл бұрын
You guys should do one of these in every line wt. Extremely helpful hearing about the line weight preferences of each rod!
@Jessehermansonphotography2 жыл бұрын
As where some of the entry level 7wt couldn’t handle the 300 grain line, would it be better for an entry level angler to find a $200 or so 8wt? Or am I off on that thought?
@dylantaylor14182 жыл бұрын
100%
@1Troutguy2 жыл бұрын
I just bought the Helios 3D 7wt, looking forward to throwing it.
@ashfaquemomin43872 жыл бұрын
V good rod
@jorgesven51972 жыл бұрын
I have been fishing #6 weighted streamers with a RIO Sinking Tip 150 Grains Line with a 5 wt rod for more than 20 years....I do no see the need of a 7 wt rod at all. Just keep your 5 wt Rod with a RIO 150 Grain Line. Only if you use large articulated streamers you will need a 7 wt Rod. Just an opinion from a veteran streamer fisherman.
@marcanderson13962 жыл бұрын
Love the video. This weight class is where I spend most of my time every year as my location has me fishing bass on the fly more often than any other species. Notice everything you talked about here is casting which is super important but versatility seems important. I went Helios 3F because I wanted a bit more feel and it sure does move plenty of line but I used it in a pinch steelhead fishing and really appreciated a bit more sensitivity in the tip section. Great video. I’m watching from here on!
@warrenc50133 жыл бұрын
I recommend 8 wt. 7wt is just a bit weak
@kevingeary14723 жыл бұрын
Dude I've watched this 3 times. Awesome video! Please do another one with more rods - zane pro, nrx, scott sector, echo prime, echo streamer, greys gr80, etc. Thanks for the great content
@benjaminrichard73573 жыл бұрын
When you state line weight in grains are you talking grains for the first 30' or entire head? Just want to clarify for myself. Before, I make a line purchase for my sage foundation. Thanks a bunch, and great video!
@TedJ713 жыл бұрын
Great review ! Been looking for a bass rod in 7wt and mostly the SA SONAR/Titan Series of lines with streamers, clousers, crayfish patterns. What do you think of the H3D 9’ 7WT rod for that application ?
@cuntgrisenakke66222 жыл бұрын
Fits perfect i own this mysef s workhorse
@rootedrotor5253 жыл бұрын
You guys still a fan of the foundation? I'm thinking about picking one up. Mainly fishing a 200 grain, but would like to throw some big drys with it as well. Thanks - great Vid
@bjornchristiansson28273 жыл бұрын
Very good video 👌 High end rods have often more develop costs why they hande light lines better and as you load grain on them they tend not to bog down and lose the accuracy! I have a Swedish made 90s 5/6# rod who kick ass because it do 150-300 grain whit no so issues. That rod is not made any more. So budget is a part and next how much will the rod been used ! Best regards from Sweden Scandinavia 🇸🇪
@B58FTW3 жыл бұрын
Grain has nothing to do with sink rate.
@marcelchaloupka3 жыл бұрын
What a great video.
@stephenpiper62123 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. A few points for better or worse. I think your review confirmed that not all 7 weight rods are "true" 7 weights. 1) One company's 7 weight is not the same as another company's because different people are rating the rods. As stated in the review, one "7 weight" might cast a heavier line better or worse than another. This should make it clear that you really need to cast a rod with the line and fly that you will be using before you buy -- everybody casts differently so you can't rely on what another caster likes. 2) A rod should be able to cast well any line you choose - floating or sinking - just as long as the fly line is the appropriate weight for the rod. For a typical 7 weight rod, this is about a 240 grain shooting head line or a WF7F line that is 185 grains in the first 30 ft according to the standard AFTMA line weight table. These lines are about the same weight in the 40-50 ft that we false cast because the running line on the WF line is thick and heavy, but on the shooting head line is thin and light. Clear as mud? ha ha. 3) Finally, the range of line weights that a rod will cast comfortably - the rod's versatility - is a function of the rod taper not the price of the rod. A rod with a progressive taper that bends progressively more into the rod butt section for heavier lines will handle many line weights. Thanks again.
@voidzsolos18614 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude
@mainetroutwhisperer4 жыл бұрын
Good video! What about casting small streamers on a heavy line? Like a 250g with smaller streamers. Does that work ok? Just wondering if you can do both big and small stuff on them.
@dylantaylor14182 жыл бұрын
youd think a trout whisperer would test that out himself
@mainetroutwhisperer2 жыл бұрын
@@dylantaylor1418 that comment was 2 years ago… I have tested it lol
@Myrawonderland4 жыл бұрын
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@stephengosda31784 жыл бұрын
Thank you great review, Im getting a 7wt scott radian matched with a Hatch Finatic 7wt reel for stillwater fishing.
@armjamal14 жыл бұрын
great review and waiting for u to make a review on the gloomis Asquith thks
@igordamascan80594 жыл бұрын
Good work. Thanks!
@tonyhoyt4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Curious about 6wt. rods as well. I have an 8 wt sage for my 325 grain, but want to add a 6wt to my quiver for my 225 commando head and 250 streamer express. Thanks!
@marcanderson13962 жыл бұрын
I have run the OPST commando head head from 5wt to 9 wt just for fun. I love the line on my Scott S4S in 6wt as it has a little more backbone than my Older Sage rod. I bet the Helios 3D would be fantastic with that or the Loomis NRX+. Commando heads are so fun to mix up.
@barrybigplums4 жыл бұрын
I have the Helios 3d in 5wt....I have tried most high end rods out there and agree that the Helios 3 really is in a class of its own
@marcanderson13962 жыл бұрын
In the application this video pinpoints I would not argue at all. My 7wt Helios 3 is fantastic. In the 5wt class you are talking about I would argue a bit if you want more delicate work. I wouldn’t trade my Scott Centric 5wt for any other in the class. But that’s why there are so many options!
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@legnoferro5 жыл бұрын
How do you purchase this leader? The link is dead...
@RespekfulFungus5 жыл бұрын
What do you guys think of the St. Croix Mojo bass rod?
@ericcallen74615 жыл бұрын
Great Review! Absolutely one the best. However, could you review the Orvis Clearwater 7wt and let us know your thoughts in comparison with the others? Thanks again for a great review and channel.
@barrybigplums4 жыл бұрын
Eric Callen the new Clearwater is a good rod but as with the new recon is sadly pretty darn heavy with a high swing weight...I ended up sending my 10 foot 7 weight Clearwater back as I really did not like the high swing weight
@cjewell085 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the foundation is the best choice in the 3-400 range if you want to fish for carp, small mouth, trout streamers, pike, and light salt.
@redshaftedflicker5 жыл бұрын
What about the Redington butterstick? lol
@fairviewhomestead5 жыл бұрын
Those are great for articulated streamer dropper (with splitshot) set ups. Mostly used for Marlin and Tiger Sharks. haha!
@markrine5 жыл бұрын
What size nautilus x is that?
@backbonz5 жыл бұрын
Is this shop no longer? Can’t find it unfortunately
@afarley3375 жыл бұрын
It's cohutta fishing blue ridge now
@jamesbrede87005 жыл бұрын
You guys are so right !!!! 3,5,7,wt NOT 4,6,8,wt but tell the world that today!
@cwoods11325 жыл бұрын
I'd say 3wt, 5wt, 8wt.... OCD kicks-in, but think in terms of targeting fish - rather than symmetrical numbering. A noticeable difference between my 5wt and 6wt; not monumental, but noticeable. Small stream trout on a dry fly and wet fly are FAR more fun on a 5wt, so if creek and small stream trout is your jam - 5wt. However, big river Montana, I can see bumping that to a 6wt or 7wt, bigger water. Utah, we don't need that haha. (RL= Regular-line; OL=Over-line; UL=Under-line) Panfish (1-2wt): 3wt - UL or RL Trout (4-6wt) --> Creek: 3wt - RL or OL; Stream: 5wt - UL or RL Bass: 7-9wt --> 5wt - RL or OL; or 8wt - UL, RL, or OL Pike and Musky (10-12wt) --> 8wt RL or OL
@spudd784 жыл бұрын
I have a #4 8,6ft 3F and it awesome.
@johntucker97823 жыл бұрын
I prefer the evens over the odds. The #4 does everything that a #3 can do, plus. And the #8 opens up every large fly possibility, fresh and salt water. The evens are more versatile.
@riverwalker2173 Жыл бұрын
@John Tucker but 7's are funner to cast
@markhoffman96555 жыл бұрын
Interesting you didn't try the Sage Method which in my experience is very streamer focused design that can punch a 1/0 clouser across 20-30 km/h wind with great authority with a standard Rio Outbound Short( with a WF7F, not overlined .
@fjellfiskeren73545 жыл бұрын
Mark Hoffman For trout you will not use Method not even like a 5 weight its way too stiff Helios 3D can do just about everything that Method does and still its cool to fish with If i had to choose one rod for like sea trout fishing i would much rather buy Winston Air Salt Feel and still tops everything Method does...but not that ultra stiff tip
@markhoffman96555 жыл бұрын
Hmm , suppose I am used to thinking about our local trout (here in New Zealand) that average 2-3 kilos ...
@markhoffman96555 жыл бұрын
I find the Method is still gentle with 0.5 to 1 sea trout (Kahawai) and has enough power to handle saltwater fish 6-8 kilos (kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKvYZaSYfKuintU). Versatile rod for me. @@fjellfiskeren7354
@fjellfiskeren73545 жыл бұрын
I am using the ultra fast Method #5 for sea trout /smaller rivers for salmon The Method #6 for salmon in Norway I just recently bought the Helios 3D bang finally an allround rod which could do everything better+ no stiff tip Just my five cents buddy👍 Dont pay attention about my rant because im kinda bored with Sage they always Bring those rods with flat top section......nahh after 20 years of using them i am out The only rod that they made in their line up which is Sage Z Axis could do it all but wasent a broooomstick their best allround fast action rod Ever in my opinion.
@hunterspiri78305 жыл бұрын
Where would the Scott Meridian and Winston Biii Plus compare to the Radian And Helios D
@dgilchrist63615 жыл бұрын
Hunter - I have a Winston Biii--x and just got back from fishing the white bass run this evening. It literally feels like a 5wt in terms of flexibility. Loads of fun playing smaller male whites, but I would be terrified to hook a hybrid or small striper on it. The 200 grain WF6 Airflo Streamer Max line overloaded the rod in all phases. It's just way under-powered for a 7 wt. And I have Winston Biii-x rods on 5 and 6 wt I love. So this 7 is going on eBay. Maybe the Plus adds power in the butt and mid sections to be a true streamer rod. Just wanted to let you know a Biii-x in 7 is more of a 6wt
@hunterspiri78306 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. I had the 3D in a 6wt and honesty wasn’t to fond of it so I exchanged it for the 3F which I absolutely love. It’s great with floating lines and intermediate lines but struggled with the sinking lines. I am now in the market for a dedicated streamer setup and did cast the 3D in the 7wt and fell in love with it. For some reason I just didn’t like the 6wt but boy the 7wt is a beauty and this review just solidified my answer! And I was debating between the Radian and 3D. I don’t mind the white label but Scott’s are absolutely stunning rods; on par with Winston’s.
@rickynelson73846 жыл бұрын
Actually fly fishing has more to do with your ability to cast than who builds your fly rod , setup is critical !!
@cachi-78784 жыл бұрын
Ricky Nelson Agreed. Watching him cast, lessened my trust in his review and analysis. He’s not loading those rods nearly as much as they could be. His forward cast has his arm overextended throughout the the stroke and starts the swing (tip moving past the butt section) too soon not allowing these rods to load properly. Compare this to Joe Rotter from Red’s Fly Shop casting a Sage X. You might argue the comparison isn’t fair since Joe is casting a 5wt. but I’ve seen him cast 9wt-12wt rods and my observations still hold. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIqrn5ShqrmCmKM
@jimtruscott56704 жыл бұрын
Ricky Nelson Dead true. With good technique and the right set ups one can catch plenty of fish even with a cheap rod, ie a rod for $50 or less. Last year, for the hell of it I bought a Berkeley Cherrywood for $35 in a pawnshop in Missoula Montana. It’s an 81/2 foot which casts beautifully with a 5w line. I love it and I own Sage, Winston, Scott,Orvis and other pricy but excellent rods .
@paratrooper73406 жыл бұрын
I"m kinda sorry that you didn't include one of the new Fenwick rods that have been received very favorably by other reviewers - I bought one and while its not up to my 7 wt. Sage its still really a pleasure to fish with.
@lokithebuilder10716 жыл бұрын
Best review ever wow Never seen a test like this keep up the good work You guys are testing these rod for What Its ment to be used Heavy files,heavylines,light lines,alot of wind These are some of the though conditions we are facing I will buy this new Orvis Cheerz folks