@QuarioQuario54321 early 1950s, in conjunction with the transfer from the Toronto Transportation Commission to the Toronto Transit Commission, and the opening of the new subway. www.rollsigngallery.com/009-Ontario/Toronto/RouteNumberIntro/page009-TOON-RteNoIntro.html

@YourFavouriteComment - HA! You're the first person who's let me know it worked! Thanks for checking out my content!

@wmbrown6 - I'll do a follow up comment on the more specific sizes of each font type later, when I have access to my files. In the meantime, I recreated the sign for my website, ROLLSIGN GALLERY. All the info on it, and the other NYC rollsigns in my collection can be seen here: www.rollsigngallery.com/053-NewYork/NewYorkCity/page053-NewYorkCity.html

@@RollsignGallery - I saw. I salute your efforts.

@wmbrown6 - So I checked my files. The tallest characters on there are 13.5 inches tall. The bi-level text is 6 inches tall, and the "TO" on each is 3 inches tall. Transign had several text widths for its characters. The 6 inch text for instance had four different widths, where smaller ones like 5 and 4.5 inch text had five different widths. They had stenciled characters for their signs as small as one inch. You have to remember also, before about the middle of 1985, all the text on their rollsigns was screened using fixed size stenciled letters, numbers, and characters on blocks. After mid-1985, they switched to computer generated texts.

@@RollsignGallery - I certainly salute those at Transign who, starting in 1959, figured out how to size each width in the way they did. I do have to say, those "block stencilled" fonts - which I have noted they themselves called "Transign Standard" - had more character to them (or "TO" them) than the computer-generated type they switched to after '85. The pre-'85 type was their identifying mark; that got lost after the switch. And yeah, I figured the "extended" width only went up to the 5" size. It makes sense.

@wmbrown6 - The extended one you're referring to was only with the 4.5 and 5 inch letters. No other sizes had them. The most unique thing to come out of Transign was the Translator. www.rollsigngallery.com/TransignTranslator/Translator.html A video I did on it can be seen here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/poecdHiuq8SsjbMsi=RjqxKdgqtAnQN6oz Since this video, I've acquired a full, three scroll sign unit. I plan to bring it with me to Transign to hopefully get some insight on how to get it working. The president of Transign is a fan of my work and website, and has invited me up there to visit.

@wmbrown6 @wmbrown6 - Their text height do go higher. On all the signs I own the largest was used on the side rollsigns for the "batwing" ad frames. Those had characters as tall as 13.5 inches. So far I've recorded text in large sizes of 6", 7", 9", 10.5", and 13.5". Not all text heights had all five widths. 6 inch text only had four that I've seen. Larger ones have had even less, some, only one that I've come across. Same with those 4 inches or smaller. The smaller they get, the number of width options decreases. You have to remember, all of their signs created before the middle of 1985, used fixed size stenciled characters on blocks. There was no "font" like the way it is today. After mid-1985 is when they switched to computer generated design. With 1 inch letters, there are two different block style texts, but only slight differences. These were mainly.used on dash mounted signs. Then there's the more rounded wider lettering, but those were crossovers from their Helvetica characters, not part of the blocky "Standard" family. They were just used more often on side signs because at 1 inch tall, they were easier to read. As for replicating them digitally... who says no one hasn't? 😉 I own about 650 rollsigns total, many of which were older Transign. Since the lettering was fixed stencilled, it only made sense to create a template file of every letter, number and character I came across of every size and width, to make future drawings easier to do. (No, they are not publicly available. Trade secret. Sorry.)

@@RollsignGallery - On those old Transign signs, I've counted the following sizes (sorry if I'm duplicating): 1" (only Venus Bold Extended), 1.5", 2", 2.5", 3", 4", 4.5", 5", 5.5", 6", 8, 12.75" and 13.5" (as you pointed out; the latter two of a different font type than the other sizes). Never from what I could tell have I seen type heights of 7" or 9" or 10.5" - unless I'm misreading the measurements of some of 'em. I've been able to figure out how they were laid out (and the lines of type spaced) by such formulae. Their old type may have been "stencilled," but I certainly prefer their shapes to those of Hunter Illuminated Sign, Teleweld, Trans-Lite, etc. On a forum called BusTalk, there are pictures of a late 1966 "batwing" roll sign created by them for MaBSTOA (Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority) of Manhattan bus routes as constituted at the time. By my calculations, each "exposure" was spaced 16" apart. On the one you've got, can you say for certain that spacing between "exposures" is what it is?

@wmbrown6 - Like I said, I physically own the signs with all the sizes and variations I've mentioned. So that's my source for what I said. Unless otherwise stated, all the images on Rollsign Gallery are recreations of the actual rollsigns I own personally.

@@RollsignGallery - And again, let me tip my hat (if I had one) to all involved. ;-)

@@wmbrown6 - Thank you 🙂 I just counted. I currently own 123 rollsigns with this stenciled "standard" lettering. From all those is how I created the template files.

Detour Signs...... and other Traffic Signs!... TO FOLLOW!!!!!!!!!

Follow all of the Traffic!!!!!! Signs

( Speed Limit Signs Animals!...? crossing)

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or People walking/rushing around

Thanks for watching! There's more written content about them on my website, Rollsign Gallery. www.rollsigngallery.com Look for the Transign Transaltor link once you get to the home page.

Thanks for watching! There's more written content about them on my website, Rollsign Gallery. www.rollsigngallery.com Look for the Transign Transaltor link once you get to the home page.

The USPS padded envelopes come from USPS for free, and you can order a bulk number of the envelopes to be shipped to your address through the USPS website, and some (mostly larger cities) post offices carry them to be requested for in person, but to pack and ship the plates themselves still cost whatever Priority shipping is for that. You can put an eBay label on them too as long as that eBay label shipping is set to the Priority Padded Flat Rate Envelope on your listing. The cardboard just comes from local stores, from the bulk groceries or merchandise they receive. I hope I answered your questions. If you still not sure, comment again and I'll try to clarify.

All I can suggest is to watch it as often as needed to read it all. It's running at 24 volts, the same as if it was on a bus. I've experimented with it at 12 volts, but it struggles too much to roll the heavy linen rollsigns, even to the point that the motor stalls. That can burn out the motor.

You can also tap the gear icon (settings) on the video. It brings up a list of things that includes a setting for playback speed. Tap that and you can set the video playback to a slower speed where you can read everything.

Except for a very few, the rollsigns shown on my website are all ones have personally collected over the past 30 years. If I don't have them in my physical possession, it's virtually impossible to do accurate recreations of what they look like. Purchasing them from places like eBay is nearly impossible now as sellers have extremely and very unrealistically over inflated the prices for them, sometines by over a factor of 10. I do consider deals with realistic prices, and I always accept donations of signs. With me they would be kept safe in their original condition, and most definitely would never get cut up like some online sellers do.

@@RollsignGallery I know a few Brits compile accurate data and hold records going back to 1950s....

I just aimed my camera at my television.

Thanks for watching! It was a surprise to find those! The only thing I can assume by how they're stored is that there is an attempt to preserve them. Hopefully someday they'll return to the line in some heritage train role for special events.

I'd love to, and better explore the whole region as well. Thank you for watching! Please feel free to share this.

You have to check out the new welcome and education center at the Pennsylvania Trolley museum. If you haven’t yet.

@@justinsrailvideo8195 I was at the official opening last November and am here this weekend for the first wedding. Nice to have a much improved front door.

As it pertains to this rail line, what do you mean by that?

They'll be reentering service once the reconstruction is complete, and from what I heard, more frequent service.

@@RollsignGallery oh so they're just repairing the track it from my understanding but they're going to keep the street train running right they're not going to scrap it

@@BrennenSeibert-bg3qc They're doing a grade separation from the drivable road, and twinning the track so eastbound and westbound trains don't have to wait to pass one another. That's what I read about it.

the passenger trains are still going to run right

@@BrennenSeibert-bg3qc Yes once the reconstruction is complete.

I imagine it was. I dont know for sure, but I would suspect there were people often bumping their heads getting in and out of the train cars, and that was the reasoning for removing them. Still a very enjoyable ride.

It looks better with the roof without it it looks small

No kidding, huh? That was unbelievable!

You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!

Yes. Everything I filmed was done in HD after the Summer of 2017. There's just one last episode of Transportation Treasures to upload that was done in standard definition.

No need to be sad. Sure the mixed traffic on street will be a thing of the past, but the trains will still run through town on those streets, just grade separated from the road.

I remember the stretch limos scraping in the middle when going over the old bridge.

It was a limited run, so unfortunately they no longer have the NewFlyer XE40. I just checked eBay.ca and there's none on there either. I have a video in the works reviewing a Proterra TTC model though. If you subscribe and hit the bell you'll be notified when it uploads. I'll provide a link in its description when I upload it.

Once complete they will still run down 11th and 10th street, but on their own grade separated right of way, not right in the road pavement.

@@RollsignGallery Oh cool! I love this line and am glad they are doing work to improve it!

@@markvogel5872 - From what I understand, they're twinning the track too with the upgrade, so they'll be able to run more frequent service without the need to worry about opposing trains through Michigan City.

@@RollsignGallery Will you film the trains running by on the new trackage once they finish it?

@@TheTntExpert29 My hope is to be there on the official repoening day.