I do know who Doug Turnbull is and use a gunsmith that worked for Doug.....It was common back in the 60's to take model 88 and 71 Winchesters and turn them into .458 Americans or 50 Alaskans. Of course they changed the barrels and just used the actions. The name escapes me at the moment (Winchester Barrels?) but there is a company that will put a new barrel on the old action and put the original stamping in the barrel for about $600 I believe. I do use Accurate 5744 for loads in some of these guns. Only cast bullets is recommended....Blackhorn powder is also a powder that can be used but it is really expensive since Hodgdon bought the company. Shockley powders are good but impossible to find!!!

I use federal or cheddite 3" shells. Fiocchi would also work but they use a different primer which is like the holy grail to try and find. I get my 410 TPS wads from Ballistic Products or Precision Reloading. You have to use the TPS wads to protect your barrel. I get my tungsten from Ballistic Products or a gentleman that has a site called Hawg Lips. The powders like H110 or MP300 I get from Sportsman's Warehouse, Midway, Cabela's or a gun shop I use in Atwood Kansas that seems to have a good powder inventory at all times.

I have never used one of those charge bars that you have but they seem to have dials on them to dial up shot charge or powder charge if I’m thinking of the right set up? Mec has a technical service that would be really helpful for this issue….. I have had a couple of friends that have changed from this type of bar over to the standard Mec bars have the powder inserts.

@@OldMontanaWisdom1 yeah. I have 3 other machines with the regular mec bars that I haven't gotten to messing with

No problem

Most Mec reloaders resize the brass hull and punch out the primer on the first station. It is adjustable too depending on the height of the brass on the hull. The only one I have used that does not is the 650 Grabber. If you are using on of these Mec sell a single hull resizer....

If you are loading for clays you probably want a 1 or 1 1/8 oz load. The wad you use strictly depends on how much shot you are putting in the shell and what hull you are using. Some hulls are shallow and some deeper. You can use filler wads on the deeper hulls but I wouldn't go there as a new reloader. There is a little bit of cross over on wads and hulls but not much. You have to look at a reloading book like Lyman Shotshell. I would not use Fiocchi hulls because they have a slightly different primer pocket size and primers for their hulls are not readily available. Federal hulls are OK but you almost have to use a Federal type wad. I use Winchester AA or Remington STS because you tend to get more reloads out of the hulls. I tend to use my Lyman Shotshell books a lot because I am loading for a lot of different applications and tend to use a lot of different wads. Find yourself a hull you like, a wad that matches and a powder you like and can readily get like Red Dot, Clays etc and stick with it.....

There is a grommet and brass bushing that go on the powder side of the reloader where you screw the bottle in. Both are available from Mec or other reloading shops. Install the brass spring bushing and the grommet on top. This should help stop this issue.....

@@OldMontanaWisdom1 thank you

Somewhere in my files I have the original way Potts did his weave. Both are fairly close. I have been doing it this way for 57 years and find it easier for me and I have had no issues with durability. Hair you use is the same. If you know how do the original weave it would make a great post!!!

I’m sorry, but I don’t understand your question? To buy what?

Do you resize the heads?

I would go to Ballistic Products or Precision Reloading or maybe Midsouth Shooters Supply.

The only place that I found that still loads for the 45/90 and 40/70 is the Colorado cartridge company. They will load them with black powder or black powder substitute whichever you prefer. They will even use your cases if you have them to cut down on the cost.

Yes, I think it’s sad that these flies have disappeared from the commercial market. These used to be readily available at the Bud Lillies fly shop in West Yellowstone, Montana, or Fran Johnson’s in Butte Montana, I even bought some at Dan Bailey’s in Livingston. And yes, I’m sure we’re about the same age. I hope you give it a try!!!

Lead shot is not illegal in MT for turkey. And yes if you bite down on Tungsten, it is gonna leave a mark! However I have not found any in the several birds I have shot with it. It seems to blow right through because of the density. #4, 5, 6 lead is fine. It just won't carry as far or kill as far. You gain kill distance with tungsten.....

I do not but my neighbor does now. I have loaded some 16 gauge with TSS but I have only hunted with a 410 the past several years.

Thanks 👍 Appreciate your watching!

Have one in 4590

its wierd that a nation with almost none existing private gun ownership buids some really nice guns

You are absolutely correct. The kid that put this video on KZbin for me put the wrong header on it.

Sorry for the late response!! My apologies! Been out hunting in 4 states. I will look tonight!

I looked and I am using 13.5 gr of H110 with 355 gr of TSS and 13.0 with 383 of TSS. I would start a grain lower on both in your gun and work up a load for your gun.

Fantastic, I envy you. Warm greetings from Germany.

Black powder substitutes seem to work well and you’re correct. When using BP absolutely no space in the case between the powder and the bullet!!!

You are correct. Those barrels are soft. I shot a few jacketed to help clean out some of the lead. I went through eight bronze brushes to clean the barrel to a satisfactory condition on the 45-90. Have just shot GC lead in the 40-70.

As long as your gun accepts a 3” shell and shoots modern ammunition you should be fine.

Probably I can use all the help I can get sometimes!

Checked my data that was given to me by a guy who loads these commercially and I loaded 35 grains of 5744. And actually the cartridges I shot from Colorado Custom Cartridge seem to have a little more poop and they were loaded with a black powder substitute. American pioneer I believe.

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Actually, I don’t think that would work because you have to use a TPS wad with TSS and I believe they would be too long for the 2 1/2 inch hull…

I will have to look and get back with you, but it is a Indian Creek turkey choke!

I get my hulls from Ballistic Products. Just don’t buy a Fiocchi hulls because then you’ll need to buy Fiocchi primers because they are larger than a normal 209. I typically use a Cheddite hulls they already come primed!

@@OldMontanaWisdom1That was another site were they had everything back ordered. Crazy

I’ve been getting mine from ballistic products, but you have to keep a close eye on their site. I have also been picking up a few boxes of loaded ammunition and shooting it and reusing the hulls.

@@OldMontanaWisdom1 ya, I did that also, four boxes of 2 1/12 #8s $80, that was enough of that. I decided to use .444 Marlin brass. got 100 pack for $60 and they will last forever. I worked up a good load 7.7 grains of Bullseye. I am still tweaking the powder, started with 6.1 grains, after i test the7.7 loads I will be pretty close to were I need to be. I am using 1/2 oz of #6 shot in these tests.

Although I looked at your loads as well as some from Ballistic Products and used a few of them as a starting point we decided to do testing on our own that involved a couple months of work. We tested all sorts of hulls buffers and different weights of powders and TSS. The loads in the video in no way duplicate any load data you send other than powder type and the BP wad I have been using for years for all my 3” 410’s. And I would be happy to share some of the data we derived if you like? I mentioned your name as a source for TSS and other data for other gauges thinking it might increase your TSS business. If you want me to remove your name as a source I will be happy to do so but the load and chokes we came up with for turkey and mention in the video does not duplicate your data…. we put a lot of work into developing this particular load for turkey.

Also if you want to share our data using 353-355 grains of TSS with the BP wad. I am OK with that…..good hunting.

I have not loaded a 2 1/2 inch…. I might experiment with that in the future. Thanks for watching.

Yup! Good catch… too many T’s and too many S’s

I use Indian creek turkey chokes. Found they work best for me! Thanks Bob!

Here comes the first reloading video this weekend.