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@aiscahill
@aiscahill 11 күн бұрын
I loved the more off the cuff style here, Lea. I really appreciated your commentary around humility. I absolutely agree that we must love ourselves, and if people want to laugh at that, then I say we should just let them laugh ☺ I'm very much a mood reader too, and I like to think of TBRs as mere suggestions. I find they do help to keep me enthusiastic about the books on my shelves rather than feeling the desire to go out and buy more of them. I've been trying to read some more non-fiction so I've definitely been taking notes when you mention books on here or on your Goodreads. I hope you've been doing well!
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 11 күн бұрын
Hi, Aisling! I'm delighted you're here! 😊 Thanks for watching. I do hope I can recommend something of value to you through these videos. I've been thoroughly enjoying your your reviews, your style, and your personality in videos! They make me hope we can discuss books in person one day. 😉
@vvolfflovv
@vvolfflovv 14 күн бұрын
Essential themes here. I'm finding self discovery and acceptance to be humbling, liberating and empowering in a society run by mega corporations that are anything but ethical constantly dictating to us what is ethical. I see your plate is quite full but I'm curious if you've read any Wayne Dyer?
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 14 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching. I've read nothing of Wayne Dyer. Am I right in thinking he teaches a sort of "Law of Attraction" thing?
@vvolfflovv
@vvolfflovv 14 күн бұрын
@@readingintrees Essentially and highly rooted in the various scripts of the Tao. He is a beacon of positivity and self-empowerment and his conversational style makes it easy to grasp deep concepts and he gives practical suggestions to take charge of our lives, cultivate a positive mindset, and seek fulfillment through personal growth and service to others. It was life changing for me personally.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 14 күн бұрын
@vvolfflovv Thanks for the recommendation. I've found his blog, so I'll give that a whirl before I look for a book of his.
@Royinszki
@Royinszki 15 күн бұрын
I love your channel
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 15 күн бұрын
Wow! Thank you! :)
@egorka2201
@egorka2201 15 күн бұрын
You make great videos!
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 15 күн бұрын
They say there's an inverse correlation between the value of such comments and the number of views. :D But I will always appreciate your appreciation!
@mistercohaagen
@mistercohaagen 15 күн бұрын
Seems like everybody who studies the various collapses long enough comes to the conclusion that Capitalism and sustainability of any sort are fundamentally at odds with one another. Don't forget "The New Human Rights Movement: Reinventing the Economy to End Oppression, by Peter Joseph", eventually. I'm sure the topics covered will fit this channel's ethics well, plus it might serve to draw TZM eyes towards you and the other highly relevant books you discuss here; mutual benefit imho. Can you (or anyone here) keep an eye out for any Sci-Fi thrillers that would fit the "Solarpunk" aesthetic, or recommend anything like that you've already come across? There's basically a crass amount of Cyberpunk titles, since your average person's imagination seems to be hamstrung by dystopian paranoias... but I haven't found any truly exciting opposite yet. I'd bet someone out there wrote something akin to the triumph of scientific problem solving like "The Martian", only applied to a competing Earth-based techno-commune, or rogue group of environmentalists forcing the hand of markets to yield to reality though psychological and technological superiority. Or maybe an already established utopian society being threatened by fundamentalist capitalist terror plots to create a war-like reversion or false scarcity, or pointless envy. I'd like to write something within this genre, but it seems like lots of attempts come off as clumsy and preachy. How to shape a story in such a way to penetrate the cynical membrane of instant-dismissal that capitalist apologist societies have conditioned us all with... I'm stuck in nebulous territory with every idea.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 15 күн бұрын
Hey @mistercohaagen. I know what you mean about coming to the conclusion that capitalism has to go if we want a stable, positive future, but the fact that so many experts -- people whose literal livelihood is understanding the global climate -- still argue for solutions that provide for forms of capitalism boggles the mind. Maybe it's as you say: because it's hard not to be dismissed as soon as you are seen to be turning your back on the most successful religion in the world. Anyway, you make a convincing argument for buying Peter Joseph's book. :) You're a writer? Actually, your role reversal idea, making capitalists the insurgents sounds very original to me. I don't want to pretend I know how to break through the ideological defences of people. When single books change minds radically, that's a real triumph. I guess it must be fairly rare. But if you show characters lives close-up in these alternative worlds, and they don't seem completely alien, and you can convince readers that those lives are imperfect but better, that might be the first step... and then they'll pejoratively call you an idealist. So you hone the mechanics of your world so that they become really difficult to find fault with. I think Kim Stanley Robinson did a pretty good job of this in Ministry for the Future. Does that book count as solarpunk? Also, surely, Ursula K. Le Guin has written a few solarpunk-ish books?
@mistercohaagen
@mistercohaagen 14 күн бұрын
@@readingintrees Well, you said it... "literal livelihood". Meanwhile anyone who's survival isn't tied to phrasing their answers in Capitalese can speak the objective truth without repercussion. There's a huge difference between knowledge work, and a job doing "knowledge" work. Yet another way Capitalism perverts and undermines everything; Capitalist Realism caught in action. I find it baffling that lots of otherwise politically aware and active people often voice paranoias about a global government or new world order, yet they submit themselves to employment by the one-world theocracy hiding in plain sight, and the pitiless market god they worship. I'm not a writer, but my significant other is an English teacher... so if I could imagine it, flesh out the universe and design the lifestyles, technology, architecture, characters, etc., she could collaborate a bit and edit to the point that I could pass as a writer if I felt like it. I'm kind of like you in the fact that I had a recent health scare and I'm finding a new footing. I wouldn't mind producing audio plays, and I'd need a script anyway. In either case I'm definitely in the research phase if such an endeavor is ever to come to fruition, but also for learning's sake itself. Probably one of the reasons the algorithm brought me here. I have not read the books you mentioned. I will now do so. See? That's what I'm talking about; your role on here is important. Giving a voice and a face to these topics makes a rallying point where we can exchange information. Here's hoping you can stick around.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 14 күн бұрын
It sounds like you're brimming with ideas and have fire in your belly. :) I really appreciate the advice and encouragement you give me, and I, likewise, feel keen to see you pursue those ideas. I don't know what you do already, but you obviously have the know-how for conveying ideas auditorily. The more people that can be playful with alternatives to capitalism, that can ignite conversations about what is possible, the better. Sometimes, I think I can see momentum building for an alternative to capitalism, or, at least, an awareness that the Earth system and capitalism are incompatible. For example, attacks on capitalism (not just growth) are OK-ed occasionally in the mainstream news here. So, maybe we have a chance. We have to believe that anyway.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 14 күн бұрын
​@@mistercohaagen And your writing is eloquent, too, so I'd guess you and your partner could turn out a compelling book. :)
@spytechchronicles
@spytechchronicles 15 күн бұрын
The education system should help train competent and healthy people but for past few decades it is ruining the children. Children as young as 10 are committing suicide. That shows things are going in wrong direction
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 15 күн бұрын
It's shocking, alright. It's hard for the mind to accept that. I agree that the school system has a lot to answer for, but, in my opinion, childhood depression is a symptom of wider societal problems. I might do a video on our school system one day, and we can have a bigger discussion around it.
@spytechchronicles
@spytechchronicles 16 күн бұрын
Population is falling organically and it should reach 2 billion hopefully. Human species should focus on maintaining Population at 2 billion.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 16 күн бұрын
I keep hearing this figure as a prediction, but I don't know the reasoning behind it and would like to. Why 2 billion? And by when?
@spytechchronicles
@spytechchronicles 15 күн бұрын
​​@@readingintreesI am merely hoping that population will come down to 2 billion, the way it was 100 years ago or even less if possible. This will solve most of the issues that we face today.
@egorka2201
@egorka2201 17 күн бұрын
Amazing video! Book added to reading list.
@campbellpaul
@campbellpaul 18 күн бұрын
Wow, sounds like a really wonderful read! I'll have to pick it up sometime soon. Thanks for the spoiler warning, too! Have a nice weekend!
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 18 күн бұрын
Thank you for watching, Paul. If you do get around to it, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Have a nice weekend, too!
@kashif7811
@kashif7811 18 күн бұрын
I like humans very much , but optimum number of humans earth can sustain is less than 40 millions
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 18 күн бұрын
Hi! I'm not disputing what you're saying, but I'm curious: why 40 million in particular?
@humshuklajihain9173
@humshuklajihain9173 22 күн бұрын
Where to get all these books?
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 21 күн бұрын
Hi there! Empty Planet is fairly widely available in online bookstores. I use Awesome Books, WOB, xigxag, and a few others, but I'm sure all the big names have it, too. If you are referring to my books (plural) in the background, that is a more complicated question to answer. :D I'm not affiliated with anyone at the moment, so I don't use affiliate links.
@egorka2201
@egorka2201 Ай бұрын
Such a wonderful review! Right up my alley in terms of book choice too! ❤
@egorka2201
@egorka2201 Ай бұрын
Somehow it's a miracle that KZbin recommended me your channel. I LOVE every single one of your videos! It somehow feels nice to know that I am not the only one dealing with this existential dread. Because I am surrounded by completely oblivious people in my daily life.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
I reckon I feel something similar to what you describe when I receive comments like this. :)
@mistercohaagen
@mistercohaagen Ай бұрын
If you put the time before the chapter descriptions, it'll automagically add them to your video's progress slider bar thingy.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Thank you for drawing my attention to that!
@mistercohaagen
@mistercohaagen Ай бұрын
@@readingintrees You have to start with the "00:00 Intro" line (or whatever you want) to trigger it. I'm not sure if it works with frames / milliseconds; it might only recognize "mm:ss" fidelity in this feature, as opposed to the precision of subtitles. You may also have to clear your browser cache since it seems to be parsed by client-side code and not by KZbin's servers themselves.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Ah jeez, this is not the side of KZbin-ing that I enjoy. Thank you for your help.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Don't know why I included milliseconds. 🤡
@mistercohaagen
@mistercohaagen Ай бұрын
@@readingintrees There we go, it works here now. I saw you already put in the effort of typing it all up, may as well get the benefit from doing so.
@Kira-ji5pr
@Kira-ji5pr Ай бұрын
Ok . Educated women end up being career oriented. Career oriented woman tend to have less children or no children ✌️ I think as a society we should protect women & Children. But make sure both man & women become family oriented
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Certainly, our capitalist societies are encouraging an increasingly bleak view of family life. Starting a family should be a personal choice, and we could design societies that better support (and recognise the value of) families.
@Royinszki
@Royinszki Ай бұрын
Can you talk about Fallout New Vegas on your next video
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
lol
@campbellpaul
@campbellpaul Ай бұрын
Perhaps a world government would utilize an information ministry (for propaganda) to address migrants by their work status i.e. "migrant farm worker" to make them more acceptable to nationals. Politicians and corporations have always worked behind closed doors to make their priorities attainable. I think multilingual citizens (as well as horticulturists) would get better treatment than most by 2050. Thanks for the in-depth review!
@ivinolove3960
@ivinolove3960 Ай бұрын
Thank you for the video , was so lovely! You know what will be the sad thing> 20 years from now USA and EU will start taking all those young people from Africa to migrate in Europe ... After we stole their goods, diamonds, oil etc... in 20 years these continents will start stealing their youth((
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Thank you! I agree completely. The North is built on imperialism. And to make matters worse, economically and also now with climate change, the sins of the North are ever visited upon the South. :(
@maverickjones9418
@maverickjones9418 Ай бұрын
Socialism works best on the back of capitalism. For a long term economic system that is viable for hundreds of years into the future, we need a system that evolves to cater to the current societal dynamics. Fiat growth for one, conservative and governmental spending limited for one, commodity based for one, socialism and fiat. It is apparent that constant growth isn’t going to work. It would also solve the problem each economic sect has with each other. It needs to be mechanical in nature. Switching between evolution types according to statistical metrics and not democratic or republic voting.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Hi! Thanks for the interesting comment. The concept of an economic system that changes its skin "mechanically," or based on statistical metrics, is particularly intriguing. I have a few questions for you if you wouldn't mind answering. Would you say that Europe already has some examples of "socialism on the back of capitalism"? Im.not implying that it does, just interested to read your take. Why hundreds of years? And if this system is an evolution, why must it cater to current societal dynamics? And by that, do you specifically mean capital? One more! :) Please explain how this idea would solve the problems each economic sect has with the others. Cheers!
@shahankhan7685
@shahankhan7685 Ай бұрын
The only way to improve brith rate is have a verry good wealth redistribution system.
@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800
@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800 Ай бұрын
Beware of billionaires who have MASSIVE consumption habits telling you that you need to have nothing, not reproduce, not eat like they do for “the planet” to “survive”. This is manipulation and indoctrination. They are the problem. As for climate. It changes. It will always change and always has. Paying more taxes will not stop it changing or make change differently. So much of the “climate change agenda” won’t do anything except make people poorer.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I see where you are coming from. I do. I don't think it's morally justifiable to even BE a billionaire, and I don't labour under the illusion that any of them are philanthropists. Nobody needs to live like a pauper when we currently produce nearly 6,000 calories for every person on Earth every day. But I also don't aspire to live like, or eat like, a billionaire, nor a millionnaire! Most of us look good when compared with billionaires, but many of us are still profligate in what we consume and waste. I know I am! I don't think consuming more and more even satisfies human needs -- our true needs. It's a misdirection of our drive to belong and have our emotional needs met. You're probably right that taxes alone won't be effective at keeping warming below 1.5°C.
@heythere4732
@heythere4732 Ай бұрын
They rolled back women's rights in the states. I'm worried this is only the beginning and if we go below the 1.6 we're at, then they (republicans)will go further and get rid of contraceptives. I'm glad I got my tubes removed.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
I'm sorry about the threat to reproductive freedom that women are seriously having to concern themselves with in the States. It's very frightening and signifies a threat to many more aspects of life than reproductive freedom. The US needs a political Renaissance now. Don't get me wrong! Much of the world does! But the situation in the States is particularly volatile. I know this is an incredibly unpopular opinion, but neoliberalism has a lot to answer for...
@johnkelly7757
@johnkelly7757 Ай бұрын
John Wyndham wrote another book "Out of thr Deep" with a similar theme of alien invasion in the deep ocean but from a different viewpoint. The book you reviewed I wasn't aware of till I watched your video. Enjoyable.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Hi there! Thanks for watching! Are you sure they are different books? It is possible that I presented the same book in such a skewed way that I've made it unrecognisable! 😄
@RoccosVideos
@RoccosVideos Ай бұрын
Canada is trying to grow its population because it is a large country with few people. This isn't the case in Europe. Each country will have to decide which is best for its future when considering all factors including space and resources.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
I agree that this would be better when you look at it purely from the perspective of the individual countries... if nations could exist in a vacuum. But we are inextricably interconnected. Honestly, I think people are in denial in thinking that we can stop human migration with any means less than genocide. Anyway, I don't think countries deciding "That's enough for us, thank you. We're closed now" would be favourable from the perspective of the whole species. As more and more land becomes uninhabitable, more and more people will migrate towards the poles. I can't see a way around this unless we were to overhaul our civilisation within a couple of years, if we even have that time left. The best we can hope for is good, equitable, and humane management of migration, planning for the future rather than delaying and allowing social problems to accumulate until we have unrest and are being ruled by fascist regimes.
@RoccosVideos
@RoccosVideos Ай бұрын
Interesting discussion. A smaller population might not be good for economic reasons but it's great for the planet.
@pretentioussystem9367
@pretentioussystem9367 Ай бұрын
Many thanks! Interesting I will answer you soon again 🙂
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Thank *you*, too! :)
@unnameuserble
@unnameuserble Ай бұрын
Your thank you at the end was so sweet. I think you’re too hash saying that the video is too long and poorly edited because to just listen to the audio is very satisfying and natural and not overcooked. It is an unhurried exploration and very thought-provoking both as an accurate description of the book and some valid criticism, especially what you’re saying about climate change not taken into account.
@calamityjean1525
@calamityjean1525 Ай бұрын
For Americans: 50 C is 122 F. Hotter than just about anyone wants to live in, especially if humidity is high.
@guard13007
@guard13007 Ай бұрын
I know there are negatives, but a lot of things presented as negatives are actually better for everyone, and I'm hopeful that we handle it gracefully. Talking about careers and finance and savings as negatives don't seem like a negative to me. The whole concept we've based economics on just doesn't actually work long-term, and we're just running full-force into that wall. :D
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
I think there's been either a misinterpretation on your part or a misrepresentation on MY part of the book or my own views. I never intended to imply that careers, finance, and savings are inherently negative, so I may have to apologise if that's how it has come across. These things can be divorced from the particular system that's running civilisation into the ground and impoverishing our biosphere.
@sla8tful
@sla8tful Ай бұрын
Basic Economics disproves most of the modern environmental agenda presented in this video. Im not saying there should be no supervision on pollution or overconsumption. However, high demand and low supply brings prices up which induces better resource management and alternative sources for supply. More people provide more capital to create both the pressure to economize as well as technology that is required to do so. This is not even going into age brackets and the problem with old people, taxes, labor etc. as well as the increased popularity of sustainable consumption within higher income countries and marginal improvements to quality of life thanks to technology in poorer countries.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. I have a few questions for you? Maybe you have the time to answer them. I'm really not an expert in economics, so please bear with me. I've read your comment to imply that better resource management can be accomplished through the market mechanism. First of all, if you have a situation where there is a rapidly diminishing supply of some essential good, do correspondingly soaring prices not simply price out the poor? I can see the wealthier stockpiling resources (like they are doing with land, for example), which makes good sense from a selfish perspective, but hardly leads to better resource management. From where do the very rich feel the pressure to economise in a way that benefits the whole? How would better resource management come about and avoid the aforementioned problem?
@Mistoffillies2
@Mistoffillies2 Ай бұрын
What do you all reckon the worlds population will be by 2100?
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. What do you think? I do think 11.2 billion is far too optimistic, but I can't commit to a projection. At the end of the day, we can only use current data and guesses about the future. No one can predict what disasters will happen, what wars, or what tech or social structures we will invent in the next 76 years.
@Mistoffillies2
@Mistoffillies2 Ай бұрын
@@readingintrees I believe it will drop to around 6 billion since deaths will heavily outnumber births and the birth rates have dropped massively on every continent including africa.
@jonathancardy9941
@jonathancardy9941 Ай бұрын
A slow gentle decline in overpopulated countries sounds like a good result - obviously to steep a decline would cause problems. One thing to consider is national debt, just as a growing population and growing economy can afford to borrow and invest longterm, so a declining economy requires greater fiscal prudence by the state. Another thing to remember is emigration, and we shouldn't underestimate the desire of some people in wealthy countries to retire to warmer/cheaper places. Especially if the states involved can agree on things like reciprocal healthcare. Conversely governments that freeze pensions of emigrants are discouraging people from emigration decisions that benefit everyone, including the areas where retirees bring jobs and investment. A third thing is that one should always be wary of extrapolation, it won't take many generations of one pregnancy families for twins to become more common. Or for subcultures such as the Amish to change the paradigm. Countries with low birth rates might consider mothballing some surplus schools rather than redeveloping them all.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
You make a lot of well-founded points, but i would like to say that, perhaps not in the very short term, but in the not-too-distant future, I'd imagine the propensity of wealthier people in the higher latitudes to move to the tropics or historically Mediterranean-like climates will slacken off. :/ I think there will be so much movement towards the poles that migration in the direction of the equator will become anomalous.
@jonathancardy9941
@jonathancardy9941 Ай бұрын
@@readingintrees yes but remember altitude tends to cool, and by about 6 C per thousand metres. My assumption is that moving uphill will be as big as moving to the poles, at least for the rest of this century.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Not to be adversarial, but...! :D I feel compelled to add for anyone who reads this (and is considering where to migrate to!) that mountainous regions are, by and large, warming faster than lower altitudes. However, I agree that there will be a lot of advantages to living in many places at high altitude.
@wonderplanet343
@wonderplanet343 Ай бұрын
We need far fewer people polluting the main source of our oxygen - the ocean. We are badly overpopulated ❤😢 Save the ocean.
@nevetstrevel4711
@nevetstrevel4711 Ай бұрын
Very interesting books to review. New subscriber
@campbellpaul
@campbellpaul Ай бұрын
A truly fascinating overview of Varoufakis' book. I'm impressed!
@campbellpaul
@campbellpaul Ай бұрын
One of the problems I have found is in tech's coexistence with a certain definitive encyclopedic group as well as their power to lobby government. It's the "off-the-radar" coexistence of the two who define who, what, where, and when we ourselves are controlled, as well as the fact we are monitored..
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Thank you for such a generous comment! But about the other one.. :D I need a bit more explanation: what specifically do you mean when you say "a certain definitive encyclopedic group"? Forgive me if I'm missing something obvious.
@campbellpaul
@campbellpaul Ай бұрын
@@readingintrees If we are worried about monopolies (or the owners of shares in them being "bad players"), then to change how they are defined by posterity is the only way we can change them. A "cancel culture" of such groups (if you will, one that utilizes the same mechanisms they themelves use to control their naysayers) must be adapted. Why allow our definitions of what we deem abuse of power (or inhuman activities) to be given a softer definition only when it serves them? This must stop, if the prevailing group is to be disbanded.
@campbellpaul
@campbellpaul Ай бұрын
@@readingintrees You're welcome for the compliment, you are an exceptional soul.
@campbellpaul
@campbellpaul Ай бұрын
@@readingintrees kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmbJmp-dnsires0 I found this just now, and it describes a small part of the dilemma which is the pairing of encyclopedic definitions prescribed to pages on social media websites which help to coerce a narrative tech giants want people to believe. The fact they now limit web access on smartphones confounds the problem.
@drmadjdsadjadi
@drmadjdsadjadi Ай бұрын
One of the key problems is that so many people see economic growth on an absolute, rather than a per capita, basis. With population declines, on average everyone can be better off (per capita economic growth) even as economies have declines in absolute (overall) economic growth. What we need is to make everyone (on average) better off but to do so with a lower strain on the resources of the Earth . After all, if we had a quarter of the population, we could all consume twice as much with half as many resources used even if we do not improve our use of the world's resources. Literally the only way to do this is to have population decline over time. We also need to do something about the increasing economic inequality and work to reduce it so that we can distribute resources from the top to the bottom without much affecting the middle. Finally, we need to work more to deal with carbon change by limiting inputs to production processes. That's probably the most important thing that we need to do because far too many environmentalists keep worrying about the outputs rather than focusing solely on the inputs. If we limit inputs and someone can figure out how to create the same output with less, we should not berate them for doing so.
@garyfrancis6193
@garyfrancis6193 Ай бұрын
Get to your point.
@williamoconnell7152
@williamoconnell7152 Ай бұрын
Ginseng is a stimulant try honey and water and milk.Nothing taste as good as caffeine drinks and your review of population book brought new ideas to me thanks
@readingintrees
@readingintrees Ай бұрын
Thanks, @williamoconnell7152! I'm delighted if my videos get people thinking! fell off that no-caffeine wagon lickety-split! I'm afraid I'm an addict.
@tnekkc
@tnekkc Ай бұрын
I was all over usenet in 1992. I went all in on the GOOG IPO in 2004. My son made his first $M at AMZN at age 29. His second was at GOOG. My wife designed a synthesizer for developing cell phones in 1980. I designed cell towers for China in 2000. Our son was writing code for androids in 2020. In 2024 the grandkids watch cartoons on my cell phone.
@michaelpayne4540
@michaelpayne4540 Ай бұрын
UN population projections are always wrong. Human breeding habits can change very quickly - it's more likely that the upward trajectory will continue and this is just a pause. It's far more likely that population will reach 20 billion by 2080.
@casamurphy
@casamurphy 2 ай бұрын
The extent to which people use pipe dreams about the future to avoid adapting to a current reality imbued with decline threatens to accelerate decline into collapse. The more we disabuse ourselves of the myth of perpetual human progress the better our chances of managing a gradual decline as opposed to falling off a cliff. It just doesn’t seem possible that mankind will be able to get anything near the EROEI from renewables that we have experienced from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels have allowed our economic growth, our debt-based financial system, and our population growth. I don’t see how renewables can replace the status quo. It seems evident to me that a human population die-off is inevitable. Maybe as a species, though, we’ll get lucky and not even notice a relatively quick die-off. Continued resource scarcity and unwinding of complexity could easily bring a tipping point towards significant population reduction over a relatively short period of time; while ironically, at the same time, allowing most people a somewhat normal life not characterized by constant war or famine, but instead defined by higher general mortality rates which are perceived as a new normal. Of course, there will be horrific localized effects, but they will pass somewhat quickly as far as the world far removed from those locals is concerned. An 8-fold increase in the number of people dying every year would create a net population decrease of about 3-4% per year or more if current birth rates continue to decline precipitously. At a 3% rate of decrease, the world population would shrink from about 8 billion to 1 billion in about 65 years. Birth rates, though, would also likely decrease even at an even faster rate during this time due to a shrinking population base. Therefore, with relatively small increases in net mortality, the current population can drop significantly in a relatively short time. Just ask yourself: “Would my life become unbearably abnormal if instead of 2 or 3 people close enough to affect me die each year; 8 to 16 died instead?” Within 2-3 short generations society could be back to living a pre-industrial circa 1800 lifestyle with a world population similar to that era of 1 billion.
@Marty4650
@Marty4650 2 ай бұрын
We have been brainwashed for decades to think "the problem is overpopulation." And this makes sense when you consider that resources are limited and an ever growing population means that someday you will hit the wall and then society will collapse.... due to "too many people and too few resources." But there are two problems with this: 1. Most developed nations keep expanding their social safety networks, with government providing more and more benefits. This means you NEED an expanding taxpayer base, with more taxpayers than people needing benefits. So depopulation, due to falling birthrates, creates a REAL problem when old people live longer and young people have fewer children. 2. The overpopulation theory completely ignores technology. As technology advances the planet can support a larger population. One hundred years ago there were only 2 billion people on the planet, and the global extreme poverty rate was around 75%. Today the population is four times higher at 8 billion, and the global extreme poverty rate is around 8%. Advances in agricultural technology have resulted in FEWER people living in extreme poverty despite the quadrupling of global population. You are absolutely right about all the different factors involved in any of these projections, including "human behavior patterns." Women having fewer children is an important factor, but so are things like climate change, GMO food production, and fuel and metal consumption. Personally, I feel like Darwin was right. We will adapt or die to changing conditions. My guess is that we will find a way to adapt.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 2 ай бұрын
I agree. I believe our species WILL adapt. I feel fairly certain that Humans will survive this. But I think there will be vast, irretrievable losses. Loss of human life, loss of land and habitat, loss of species, loss of culture, language, and knowledge, as islands disappear, people are forced to migrate away from land too degraded or desertified or otherwise transformed by the new climate to go on living in, and as some governments fail to reproduce the conditions for their pwn existence, or become superfluous. The adaptation will not be evenly spread out. It won't be equitable. Another thing I'm uncertain of is that our technologically advanced global civilisation will survive in a recognisable form. But while I think these things, I still have hope that we can do better.
@Marty4650
@Marty4650 2 ай бұрын
@@readingintrees Well, if human history means anything, then we WILL adapt. We have survived ice ages, continental drift, plagues much worse than COVID, and climate changes that were much greater than anything happening today. We always found a way to survive, even before we had any modern technology. But as you said, in each case we took huge losses, and had dramatic changes to our habits and cultures,. We survived because a few people survived and repopulated the planet. The ones who were able to adapt, migrate, or learn new skills. And the same thing might happen again.
@allthenewsordeath5772
@allthenewsordeath5772 2 ай бұрын
If we are destined for a temporary plateau and decline in the global population as seems likely, the question is all about the speed of the decline, a nation may have modest declines generation to generation and things still be relatively sustainable, but the consequences of a total population collapse as is happening in many east Asian countries are socially and economically apocalyptic.
@WilliamSantos-cv8rr
@WilliamSantos-cv8rr 2 ай бұрын
That is exactly my view. I would be okay with my country population declining 5% in 20 years, there are more than enough time for us to adapt and plan a better structure for the society. But Japan even with positive immigration is shrinking 0.5% a year. By mid 2030s they will be shrinking 0.7% a year and having 35% of retirees, they will collapse.
@bitbucketcynic
@bitbucketcynic 2 ай бұрын
Almost nobody cares as the zeitgeist of the day is misanthropy, with most people holding one of two opinions, those being "f**k humanity, we're killing the earth" or "less people means more stuff for me."
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 2 ай бұрын
I don't think that's true. I think capitalism encourages individualism and rewards sociopathic tendencies in many cases, but I don't believe that most people are misanthropic. I strongly believe that changing conditions leads to a change in the way people behave towards each other. Hell! Smiling at someone can change them from "embittered with all humanity" to suddenly "open and eager to help".
@johnkelly7757
@johnkelly7757 2 ай бұрын
China is shrinking by almost a million a year ( more deaths than births).
@johnkelly7757
@johnkelly7757 2 ай бұрын
Is growing very rapidly(5--10 children per woman) another third is either shrinking( over 800,000 decline in a single year). While the remaining third is transitioning from growing to shrinking. And in N. America and Europe unless the authorities move stridently against it will fill up rapidly with immigrants. It's almost as if the species intends to make its final stand on N. America and Europe.
@johnkelly7757
@johnkelly7757 2 ай бұрын
The problem is that a third of the Earth's population isgowi
@closer02001
@closer02001 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, any model hitched to capitalism is is a non-starter.
@user-ci6oj2ih8s
@user-ci6oj2ih8s 2 ай бұрын
Hyper-sexualization, the pill, dating apps, terrible foods, mercury and aliminum injections, abortion, feminizing hormones in foods and pesticides, feminism, netflix, obesity, mental health decline, toxic media, social media has much to do with it too.
@StressRUs
@StressRUs 2 ай бұрын
We now number 3,000 times more than were our ancestral ecologically balanced self-sustaining Hunter-Gatherer clan/band members. Those clans/bands never numbered more than 150 (the Dunbar number) as that would be unsustainable for H-Gs. We are indeed in an overshoot, unsustainable condition presently and consuming non-renewable natural resources toward a population collapse. We are, also, careening down the blind cul d sac of climate collapse from our dependence on fossil fuel burning for our unsustainable lifeways. Most ecologists estimate that the planet cannot long support a human population of more than 500M, or 1/16th of our current numbers. There is a wealth of scientific evidence and well researched books laying all o0f this out in detail, irrespective of the unfounded wishful thinking of most of the commenters here.
@allthenewsordeath5772
@allthenewsordeath5772 2 ай бұрын
Wow, it’s amazing to find people with worse predictions than Thomas Malthus in the 21st century, our Hunter gathering ancestors weren’t ecologically friendly either there’s a reason why all of the mega Fana on every continent except for Africa got wiped out. But you actually demonstrate why the human population will recover and start growing again in a century or two, namely, eventually religious people who have more children will simply out breed secularists, or people who are in a environmentalist death cult.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 2 ай бұрын
Would you mind recommending a good gateway read for someone interested in the evidence for the claim that the Earth's carrying capacity is limited to 500 million? (I presume this encompasses all possible models of civilisation?) Cheers!
@StressRUs
@StressRUs 2 ай бұрын
@@readingintrees Sorry, search as I try, I cannot find a definitive reference with the 500M number. But the vast majority of ecologists have concluded that we are already way beyond our "carrying capacity" and well into a state of "overshoot". Best wishes, Gregg.
@readingintrees
@readingintrees 2 ай бұрын
I can agree with that much @StressRUs. But as I mention in the video, HOW humans live is a highly complex variable - the potential scope for change surpasses our imagination. Innovating new civilisations could revolutionise how we think about carrying capacity and linear relationships between population and environmental degradation.... However, as I say in the video, I don't really have the faith in humanity to make the required rapid and radical changes we need to see to think we have a chance in hell to preserve the biosphere we know at our current numbers.