i went in this with a migrane, i went out of this with a migrane, the question is if this video perpetuated the migrane or if it was always meant to happen... only time will tell.

But what about when Primer Checkovo said 'This is my timeline' Doesn't that suggest, He somehow knows about the other soviet timelines at least?

I was with you on this until you adopted No String's start date for the First Tiberium War at 2020. I don't care what the manual for Renegade (his only concrete source for that claim) says. There is simply too much other evidence to support the original assertion that the First Tiberium War takes place between 1999 and 2002. One throw away line in the manual of a spin-off game in the series doesn't override the mountains of established lore that contradict that throw away line. So with that said, the idea that Generals takes place before Tiberian Dawn simply doesn't work, even with all the time travel shenanigans. I appreciate the work that No Strings tried to do, but I think there are several key misunderstandings about C&C lore that he accepts as fact, which taints the validity of any lore analysis he does. And, by extension, any other lore analysis that uses his work as a base is also tainted. I think we all just have to accept that Generals is truly it's own unique story that has absolutely no connection to the Tiberian or Red Alert timelines. Also, I don't know when this idea that Generals takes place in the 2010s comes from because the manual for Generals very clearly states that it takes place sometime in the 2020s. If you are going by the fact that Generals 2 was going to be set in 2020, thus retconning the manual for Generals, I would say that since the game was cancelled and never released, any story, lore or retcons it introduced should be 100% discarded and not taken into any consideration when doing any kind of lore analysis for the overall series.

Gosh, having grown up with the games, hearing that Tiberian Dawn is set in 2020 feels so wrong. But I forgot what a mess of things Renegade made out of the lore. So with that said, stellar work on this! Very nice attempt at connecting all the strings between the games - generals included. (Did not expect that ending idea!)

I would say the WWII still happening without Nazi Germany is pretty realistic. Before the Nazi invasion of the USSR the allies had assumed the war would eventually go on to be against Russia as well. Russia did the same crime that started the war invading Poland so it'd make sense that in a version of the 1940s where Germany became closer to the rest of Europe that Russia would continue to try & rebuild the Russian empire & continue on to try & spread communism across the whole of Europe as even in our timeline Russia still did that with it "liberating" many countries that where under Japan & the Germans. Eastern Europe would be a very different place without the Nazi's invading most of it. Also the borders are all wrong for Europe in the 1940s in the alternate time line. I am guessing a modern map of Europe was used as reference because there is a few mistakes. Finland doesn't control Karelia despite them only losing that after WWII due to Russia invading them. Poland is too far west when it should have a more trapezium shape & be closer to modern Belarus. Germany is missing its control of East Prussia which it didn't lose till after the war when it was ceded to the Re-established Poland. Lithuania, Latvia & Estonia should be independent as the USSR only gained control of them after the war. Hungary should be slightly larger. I think there is a few minor errors in the Balkans. The area of Kaliningrad (at the time Königsberg) would also be a part of Germany. I've tried to look around a bit more to see if any other countries would be different but not really. I think a few minor countries existed around this time that don't anymore like a city state or 2 but I am not certain. The Czechoslovakia should be a bit longer but Other than that no other map problems. A few countries alignment is a bit odd for the time I am assuming that without the existence of a fascist Germany that the Fascists lose the Spanish civil war leading to Spain being in the allies. Some butterfly effect of no Hitler must lead to no Fascist Italy or maybe the threat of the communists makes the fascists in Italy join the allies here. I think its mentioned somewhere that places like India & such aren't in the allies which doesn't make sense as I'd guess that Britain, France, Portugal, Spain & Italy more or less keep their colonial empires. I'd guess that the Japanese however still invade most of the East & South East Asian colonies however not China due to Russia. I think their are a few more oddities out in Asia but we never focus on them. I kinda wish they'd made a FPS of red alert like they did with the Tiberian series as I am sure a game like that could've explained these minor places better.

So just today I found out about the Nod Temple level in game "Lands of Lore III" put out by Westwood Studios. That connection made *a bunch* of dangling plot threads in C&C make sense. In the Lands of Lore series there is something called "The Shining Path" that allows travel to other universes. It looks somewhat similar to the Scrin portal in the final cutscene of C&C4. By the same token, the Tacitus could potentially be a magic item from the Lands of Lore universe Kain could gain access to once he "ascends" in C&C4. The first Lands of Lore game involved a quest to find a two-part magic artifact called "The Whole Truth". Still, the idea of Kane being a bootstrap paradox caused by the proliferation of time travel across many different universes is probably the best explanation we're going to get. It puts him in the same realm as the likes of Leto Atreides II and Eobard Thawn.

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Considering everything, it is rather fitting that Yuri arrived from an alternate timeline in our world, wouldn't you say?

This is quite an interesting timeline idea! Now, I have one question where would you fit Generals into all of this? edit: oh. I was just there right as i posted this.

Kane lives!!! As a nod fan I gotta say the idea of Kane being behind everything and being right all along is both terrifying and cool as hell. Props.

hey I am making a video of mine very soon it gonna be on youtube it talks about the command and conquer series as well so anyway can I contact your choice of course you so we can make a possible collaboration thank you for the amazing effort put into this one i really enjoyed it and may good things come to you in the future my fellow fan

given that the company that aided in the construction of all the allied tech also exists in the Tib Wars timeline just under the direct control of the GDI we already knew they timelines were connected my person thought is that they had a backup time machine and were the ones behind the generals always being sent to the right time and not being killed when all others were as i think your really always the commander from futuretech thus your only ever going through the games as they are wanting to see how each group reacts to things

That's left hands.

40:24 Hey!!! The man Who Play the movie in 2004.

There was Yuri's Revenge has Coop_campaige with Three Mission Play as Yuri faction, with a story.

Ah, a point where you kind of lose me is when you follow NoStrng's assumption that C&C1 happens in 2020, which I would posit is severely incorrect. The game's text (so to speak) establishes the setting pretty firmly in the 90's through all of its snippets of pop culture, as demonstrated through television (you can't possibly tell me that that's 2020 tv), and then there is also the element of developer intent, the game's story was born out of what the developers would see on tv at the time, with the Bosnian War of the mid 90's, this directly influenced the eastern european theater of the game. Not to mention that it makes more sense for Nod's ascent to power to accompany the arrival of Tiberium, a mutagenic organism that _rapidly_ alters ecosystems around it, instead of doing so slowly over the course of 25 years. If Generals happened before C&C1 but after the arrival of Tiberium, then Tiberium would certainly be an element in the story of Generals. This element of the theory just doesn't float. And sadly the real reason why Generals 2 became "Command & Conquer" is very likely purely due to branding power, in the eyes of corporate know-nothings the title "Command & Conquer" is more convincing to prospective buyers than the sequel to a spin-off. Another point of disagreement I have is with GDI choosing to use the Chronosphere that they surely must possess, if they were willing to use such technology, then surely they would have gone back in time to inform someone about Tiberium, becayse it devastated the world, they would also have attemped to prevent Nod's rise at the same time. Hey maybe that's what leads to Generals happening, I don't know. I enjoyed the rest of the theory though, my apologies for spending most of my comment criticizing comparatively small segments of the greater whole, I just don't have much to add regarding the rest, beyond repeated instances of "yup, that makes sense", "I agree with you" and "that's an interesting idea, I like it", but I do want to clarify that that's how I feel about the greater whole.

Oh my god what a great video. Sad to See that this was your last upload. Great production value, great Editing and wonderful ideas! I hope you decide to start uploading again! I really enjoyed this Video! <3

When does Renegade take place?

Now my head hurts... this is an incredibly impressive put together vid both visually and content-wise. the idea all of this was compiled in 8 months is absolutely extraordinary. good job man

Dayum, just discovered this today. I searched around with the question if Generals could fit in the tiberium timeline, and happened upon this video. Probably have to give it another watch or two. Two thoughts I'm left with is. I'm not to happy with how generals only fits after the Soviet victory of RA1. Also, you didn't take account of the (probably) canon expansions of RA1. Or the mentions of (proto)GDI in the allied RA1 campaign. Second is, you probably could use the nod bad ending of tib sun as a confirmed chromosphere use. Bonus thought: In my head canon, the Nod ending and the GDI ending of Tiberian Dawn are both potentially canon. (Depending on which building you destroy😅). The white house and the big Ben both make appearances in later games, but Paris and Berlin do not, so that would potentially give you one less time travel to worry over.

Returning to this one, here is some more fun food for thought. As we know, Kane lives. It's one of the fundamental rules of the Command and conquer (at least tiberian) games that he does. Now, going with the Occam's sponge as how we approach this, I would ask what is the specific nature of Kane's ability to tell the future? Considering how via time travel timelines can merge, it stands to reason if not enough caution is taken (see: chrono vortexes), they can also be damaged, or even for all effects and purposes destroyed. What happens to the immortal Kane if the very timeline they are inhabiting suddenly is destroyed around them? Or a merge occurs, touching upon again that whole "what happens to the second copies of people" topic? I personally would like to drive this particular bike (doing wheelies along the way) in the direction that the very source of Kans ability to predict the future/to have visions pertains to either merging timelines, or timeline collapses leading to a kind of merge happening where any knowledge, memories, or information a version of Kane would have known is granted to the Kane present. It would also help shed a bit of light on why Kane is at times so very unstable (and willing to do anything to stop it), as even to an anomalous human like him, to become aware of collapsing timelines by proxy of inheriting information - meaning in essence to live through it- would be very hard to handle.

How about the Renegade 2 concept to connection toward Tiberium timeline.

That was... A lot.

Awesome video! I love it whenever someone reads between the lines, and uses everything at their disposal to make a coherent timeline out of seemingly-disparate pieces of media. Personally I think the C&C series hits just about all the boxes for me in terms of alternate histories, wacky battles, and refreshingly-sincere campiness. This was a blast to watch that really deserves more views. Thanks for putting all the effort and little references into this. Didn't expect the ending, but once I saw the year in the corner, it got me curious. And you actually went for it, bravo!

Awesome video.

dank

Lmao I wondered why you used the pipboy filter and then you went on to quote the fallout 1 intro

Regarding the idea of the timeline where Yuri ended up winning, and this is purely nothing more than fanfic...as ironically, could the timeline in question be. There is, of course, someone left even in a planet dominated entirely by Yuri, who could change things, and I think you will like it when I point it out. Depending on how the possibilities and timelines would hook up... As you said; Kane lives. Without followers to be sure, limiting how and what he can do, and I am certain Yuri would make it his top priority to capture and keep Kane contained, while also keeping any time machines under lock and key/destroy them. But imagine for a moment that the Yuri's domination timeline would be foiled by the most unlikely person ever: Kane. Who through some really mad gambits managed to evade Yuri, get his hand on a time machine, has enough information to use it to some extent, and thus ends up in a way saving the world by making sure Yuri will not win. It would certainly be ironic, at the very least, that Kane, who has again and again tried his hand at global domination for control of Tiberium, who has sown violence, war, conflict, manipulation, lies, and shook the very kingdoms of the earth itself to their core, with not a shred of care or worry for the billions that would die as he marched on his path to Command and Conquer, would end up being the one to save free thought itself in this particular timeline by being the only one left on Earth to use Einsteins time machine to undo Yuri's victory. Because if he who controls the past, commands the future, and he who commands the future has conquered the past, then certainly Kane, who is every bit as ambitious, cunning, megalomaniacal, and bent on getting his way than Yuri is, would not allow another to Command and Conquer thought, body, mind, and if he so desires: soul, as well as all of time, and every moment of history itself. And perhaps much more too, because ponder for a moment what would happen in this very timeline should Yuri's ambitions not be sated by the domination of one planet, with no one there to conveniently stop him, and he would look to the stars now with all this power, continuing to hone and harness it as Tiberium arrives on the day it was meant to. Only then to one day spot, or sense floating in the far edges of the solar system, a curious little signature belonging to a dormant transport ship of alien origin in waiting. A ship, that as it's being observed, is observing back. Think Yuri would pass out on the idea of expanding his domination to the cosmos, were it within his grasp? That he would not be drawn to the idea of truly ensuring that there is only one will in the universe itself? I could continue, but the reason I at the end here allowed myself to freely draw lines, and paint shapes in the holes of space and time left over by all this time traveling is to point out that Yuri's total domination of Earth could be the beginning of something much, much worse. As at this point, I must ponder the butterfly effect, which means even the smallest things can, and do have a very large knock on domino effect. So what happens when a megalomaniacal madman with mind control technology manages to oust an undying man with prophesies and visions of the future, and dominates an entire planet all for himself, waiting for more power to be dropped right onto his doorstep only to be added to his arsenal? Wouldn't the butterfly effect of something like this be tremendously more potent, as that of a single butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon rainforest to cause a hurricane in Japan? I will leave it here, but point to the fact that despite all of this, Kane lives, and were he to manage to undo the Yuri total domination timeline, even if it was for his own selfish ends, with only enough knowledge on the time machine to toss a shoe into the timeline to trip Yuri up at precisely the right moment, he might just have ended up doing something that exceeds even his wildest dreams, by saving an entire universes worth of free will. As I said earlier, the irony would be so very satisfying. And for this very reason, I think it's best to leave the forces of nature alone, for playing with them is never a good idea. Oh, and speaking of Yuri, I couldn't help but remember one little final detail, that is cannon to the games. See, in the Red Alert 2, Yuri's Revenge Soviet campaign there's that one mission, where it's revealed Yuri planned to after he had managed to dominate all of Earth to move to his estate on the moon. In the very compound, the Soviet Commander raids and raises to the ground after discovering Yuri's rocket at his Boomer Submarine base. Curious, is it not? Why would he leave the very place he now has total domination over? Certainly no one could betray him, as there would be only his will, and unless he was that afraid of Kane merely living that he wanted to be on the moon while Kane was locked up on Earth to ensure he was safe from him, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Unless, of course, Yuri was painfully aware of something soon to happen, that when it did happen it would be very hazardous to be around, and that this all was best observed from a distance, as he governed his new empire from a less...green, environment. Interesting little detail to think about, isn't it? Why would Yuri flee to the moon, if he indeed planned originally to do it AFTER he was victorious? Unless, of course, he wanted to ensure he was safe from the effects of Tiberium when that fateful meteor would come. Now there's some food for thought.

Noting something that's a bit off topic, but amusing here (nothing, not my field of experience, so just for giggles): If we imagine for a moment that the time travel by accident´, and later on purpose, at the RA2 Yuri's Revenge soviet campaign happened, this would create some...interesting butterfly effect type issues. Starting out small, well...all those funny little microbes, germs, etc both on all the surfaces, and inside the time travelers, from the future would also be transferred to the past, yes?` So, the same would likely happen with the Soviet forces who returned from their little trip back to somewhere when the dinosaurs still walked the earth. This would in all likelihood have the potential to really cause mayhem with things. Then there are all the tanks shells and bullets the Soviet forces uses to repel dinosaur attacks, plus eventually after Yuri is kicked back in time the remnants of the decaying time machine and it's components. Sure, in millions of years any of the hazardous materials would likely be sorted out (and the time machine would have been eaten away by time, so to quote a Chrono legionnaire, it "Never existed"), but it would still have the potential to have quite a large impact on the bacterial, microbial environment. Which obviously is not really good news if we are talking returning to a timeline one has altered by fiddling about with things in the past, because well....quarantine time, yes? Unless there is some really funky autocorrection going on, such as due to this always being the case from the point of anyone not in on the whole time travel business, everyone knows about Tsauruspox, and there is a vaccination for it handy dandy... so I suppose really, only all the people who the time travelers ended up getting killed because they went and spread their germs everywhere, plus the time travelers themselves would probably be the ones suffering from any issues. That is, if the time travelers also didn't just bring dinosaur age germs and viruses with them to the present, which nobody has any immune defense against, and medicine has no idea even exist (nothing here that due to global warming and earths glaciers melting, we may get to meet some very ancient germs and bacteria soon, that took the long way around to get to greet and meet us rather than hitchhiking here inside some poor comrade time traveler, as they come out of the ice after it's a done melting. And we probably got no idea what they are, and have zero immunity to them to boot. Oh boy, doesn't that just sound like Covid-19 will one day look like a funny little thing, in comparison? Or the first pandemic of many, causing us to hunker down in our bunkers to take shelter from.) Anyways, speaking of which: Heck! Imagine if we built a time machine today, and a would be time traveler took Covid-19 back in time? That would be such a massive change of things, that even IF they only went back in time to, I dunno, collect a stamp or something, and coughed out some Covid-19 dosed mucus on some poor unsuspecting patient zero, by the time they got back to their future, they would have quite a mess to examine at from their little stamp collecting trip. Talk about a major oopsie to find out that just cause you bent the laws of space and time to get a rare stamp, tens of millions are dead from The Great Covid of 1873, and there is a new virus that has ancestry to that one you should definitely get a vaccine for, because it's that time of year again....

Considering the tech the allies have in uprising around time travel particularly being able to stop it for specific people in specific areas effectively controlling the flow of time could the allies not use that technology to theoretically create a bridge between timelines by making time flow not forward or backwards but sideways in a area creating a portal allowing for a crossover event between the command and conquer games

At 53:28, this explained why the light tank in Red Alert 1 is represented with the Chinese Type 62 light tank. Type 62 might be the Battlemaster Tank in Generals. China was sided with the Allies against the Soviet in Red Alert 1 , then in Tiberian Dawn China officially sided with GDI and unofficially sided with Nod.

CnC 4: Einstein Fixes It. I've always headcanoned the events of CNC4 as the bad end for GDI's campaign in Tib Wars. Using the 2nd Liquid Tiberium bomb in the final mission instead of conventionally sieging the Scrin's base triggers a cascading effect for the spread of Tiberium. Good video, I can't wait to see Tib Fallout.

Is that Dune 2000 music playing in the background at times? I like the way you laid out the connection between Kane and Yuri. C&C Fallout; there's a nice idea for a C&C-themed shooter; Rengade X Firestorm kinda has you covered there...

Sorry for taking so long to get to this! Since it's a beast of a video I'll note down my thoughts as we go; Great intro, with the slow, dramatic build and Einstein's narration over the top! I appreciate the way you definied Occam's Razor BTW as 'requiring the fewest assumptions'. A common misconception is that it means 'the simplest explanation is often the right one'. Occam's Razor is about not multiplying entities beyond necessity, which I think is your whole point! I like that you added this "let's go with Occam's Sponge" right at the start; as you say I'm more on the side of the Razor in my interpretation, but this is a really fun walk through an enjoyably excessive interpretation I'd generally disagree with Love the addition of a 'Now Playing' box! There's a lot of Scrin text throughout as well. I might have to go through and translate at some point I got to 5:42 then had to rewind to the start of this section, this info is *dense*! Love the extra info and quotes in the lower left at this point. 15:55 Caught the I AM reference, nice one I don't want to speak against the narrative you're weaving too much since we're both approaching the lore from different perspectives with different standards (and so a comparison of standards to reach agreement on which standard is better would be necessary first, but let's not get into that now), but since I very much skimmed the idea in my RA Chronology video you cited, I would like to elucidate a bit on why I go with Schrödinger's Kane; (I won't be linking sources since that'll take ages but let me know if you want a citation for anything specific) I would hold that Kane is absent from the Red Alert universe (beginning with RA2) and the Generals universe. Nothing Kane-, Nod-, Scrin- or Tiberium-related appears in those games, even in easter eggs or subtext. Red Alert 1, a game which leads to both TD and RA2 simultaneously is the only non-Tiberium universe game to involve Kane in any way. RA1 was originally designed such that both the Allied and Soviet campaigns, while following different paths, result in the same outcome; the Soviet Empire is defeated and we set up Tib Dawn. Then along comes RA2 which unambiguously follows RA1 Allies. This leaves the Soviet campaign as the one remaining campaign (in the same way that both GDI endings to TD could have been canon, but TS settles on the Ion Cannon ending). This works well since the Soviet campaign involved Kane and Nod, while the Allied campaign only makes an oblique reference to a Global Defense Agency (which probably also occurred in the Soviet campaign), and the apparent appearance of Kane in the footage you highlighted. So in the same way you set Red Alert 1 as the timeline division base at the core of the whole C&C chronology in this interpretation, I would assert Kane as being the entity that divides it. If The Soviet campaign leads to the Tib universe (and both include Kane), and the Allied campaign leads to the Red Alert universe (which doesn't contain Kane), then it would be Kane's existence which would decide the outcome of Red Alert 1. This makes Kane's only appearance in the Red Alert universe be the man in the hat behind Stalin, though since it's so unclear then in this timeline he could easily be a benign character also played by Joe Kucan. It wouldn't be the first non-Kane character Joe plays in C&C. So before 1924, we don't know which universe we're in; the one with Kane, or the one without. In the original Einstein's timeline, we don't know which it is either. We only know which we're in once Red Alert 1 begins. So I call this Schrödinger's Kane; until we observe the effects of his existence, we don't know which timeline we're in. Or in a more esoteric manner of speaking, he both does and doesn't exist, and the superposition collapses into one or the other timeline when Kane, or the effects of Kane's existence, are observed. This is in the same way that events in distant galaxies light-years away might not be determinable to have occurred before, after or simultaneously to events on Earth until the light reaches us. An event on Earth than happened 1000 years ago, and an event in a distant galaxy that also happened at the same time 1000 years ago, are interchangeable in the order of their occurrence until the events are causally linked (by light, I understand?). Maybe I'm talking bollocks, I'm referring to a talk by Prof Brian Cox, I can't quite remember which one or I'd link it, but that's how I understood it. Either way, I'm mainly using it as an analogy than literally. Point is, at the start of RA1, we don't know which timeline we're in until the effects of Kane's existence (including Nod, the attention of the Scrin to Earth and the incoming Tiberium meteor) are observed. Regarding how Stalin could have begun the invasion of Europe sans Kane's influence, the RA1 manual doesn't mention Kane, instead citing, "It came to Stalin in a series of dreams." RA2 affirms this to a degree. While Kane would have had the ability to be this influence, I reckon it's possible without his existence for the events of the Allied campaign to still have taken place. And finally, it was never Kane's desire to hold the Soviet Union, I'd agree that the idea was to weaken the Allied nations ahead of time, and that perhaps he was also after some political or technological assets, leading to how Nod was so well funded, connected and supplied by the arrival of Tiberium, or, perhaps more likely, the rise of the Soviets Empire was inevitable anyway (see Allied campaign where Kane doesn't exist) and he wanted to remove the Soviets from the picture as a potential threat to Nod. It's somewhat unclear as to his exact intent, and there was a thread on the C&C subreddit today about why he shot Nadia. "The Brotherhood is but a shadow of what it once was, but then that is how it should be" (or thereabouts) This took me a while so I'll have to resume at 25 minutes in later :)

outstanding work

bro this is great why da fuq have i only known of this now man

Truly epic

Gonna bop to this while I kill off my sister to steal her lands Then I'm gonna go home and play some Crusader Kings

Disregard humanity Restore dinosaur