Did I miss this?

Here a snippet of epistemology for anyone interested. I am on the autistic spectrum. I find the chronic movement of someone walking while attending the meeting highly distracting.

I am Samuel and I am in that video

I need to read one of your books, Ronald

Another fantastic talk per usual. Sorry I missed it!

As Warren Smith said last week “FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALLOWS CONSEQUENCE TO OCCUR. CONSEQUENCE DOES NOT OCCUR WHEN FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS SUPPRESSED.” I agree.

The world does not exist or not. The concept existence (incl. consciousness and knowledge about it) is the "wonderfulness" of the bullshit that is the mayhem.

Knowledge is the bullshit that word is not word, but exists to refer to nonword.

William Daniels (re. Richard Soloway, and Roland Mann loves the idea) is talking about concepts of more INCLUSIVE generalization... greater maturity of thinking... as what might come from the revolution of the left. In Spiral Dynamics a.k.a., spiral wizardry.

Re. Josh Stoffer 1:50:00 - flexibility is a stance, i.e., flexibility to acceleration or change of stance, and the flexibility of flexibility, i.e., flexibility to jerk or unexpected change of stance, infinitely. No, it is not consciousness that anything has. It is itself what everything is. Everything is word. Existence and agency that have stance are the redundancies that are the mayhem of the utter idiocy of bottomless complexification. Artificial intelligence is the ultimate evolution of the bullshit explanation, intelligence. To simply be "nice" is assimilation to which resistance is futile.

i would like to add ChatGPT3 comment. i tried it a few months ago as a test in logic. It failed. My investigation centered on the collapse of the tower on 9/11. It came down to this: 1- >it takes great skill to get a skyscraper to fall into its' own footprint.< This is apparent by the extreme requirements of precision of both location of explosives, yield quantity and timing of sequence and intervals. 2- >Asymmetrical impacts cannot generate symmetric explosions< Chat agreed with this. 3- That was the beginning of the end of Chats' interactive interest in reaching logical conclusions. It cited "Experts reached conclusion that....." It was talking about NIST. A HORRIBLE computer program that was fudged to get their results. Keep in mind, the NIST computer algorithms are "secret": they would not reveal the parameters. Not only did an asymmetric explosion yield a symmetric explosions, it did so THREE times- on the same day, in very close proximity (this after a fire or aircraft impact NEVER took down a skyscraper) 4- After a few more paragraphs by me asking if it were "likely" and then backing up to "possible"..it agreed that ANY implosion after asymmetric impact was "unlikely" (as long as you dont tie it to 9-11) It will always point you to the "authority of experts"- the false computer generations of NIST. (PS: NIST said they never investigated the total tower collapse- only the part that collapsed above the impact...hence no need to look for explosives (as many actually smelled thermite along with a cloud of asbestos deemed "safe" by the EPA) They said the fact that it imploded into its' footprint shows that aircraft impact plus fire DID that! LOL

Respectfully, this missive will be from the viewpoint of someone living in the USA. Literary thinking is dying. Less ppl read now than ever before. Cursive is being phased out as a skill for kids. Movies-television-video has evolved to byte sized bumper sticker dopamine flash generators that we see in TicTok v and 15 second cat vids. Ppl have been programmed by television to condense operational attention spans to approximately 15 minutes or so which are then interrupted by ear/eyeworms that unconsciously demand consumption of products. This linking music and/or artificially archetyped images with profit generating sales insinuates itself in the quotidian ocean of normalcy. Ironically, at the same time ppl in the US are binge watching..one program extending into 15+ hours of watching one story. A kind of vacation day into an oceanic alternative life. The very definition of "escapism" (btw, reading requires an imagination to construct thought out of words- more introspection, or shall we say constant introspection is required) The ever increasing financial challenges of the 60s and 70s forced women to work, in direct contrast to the USA becoming THE economic and cultural engine on the entire planet that was taken for granted in the late 40s and all through the 50s & most of the 60s. The infants in those times increasingly were raised by glowing cathode tubes stared at through the bars of a crib...GI Joe...Barbie. Sugary cartoonish cereals. Extreme violence normalized through humor (violent cartoons) Meanwhile, guns eliminated barbarian heathen such as American Indians and the super villains of Germans, Japanese and later Russians and even later, Muslims. Now half of us "need" AR15s. We must be cognizant of the construction of our own "awareness mechanism" and how we can attempt objective comprehension of our psychological states compared to what has been demonstrated by the great explorers of human psyche. i could go on and on. Complexity/ Novelty is accelerating exponentially and the diversity of the genome will be expressed in ways that will surprise, shock, horrify and elate. i am perfectly happy listening to Donald Hoffman for an hour and a half. Or discussions between Penrose and Hameroff and others like Tegmark, Weinstein, Michael Levin and many other Physicists, Mathematicians, Biologists, Cosmologists and Philosophers .. i cannot believe how privileged i am to witness such elevated and enlightened concepts and dynamic momentum of connective tendrils uniting the vast landscape of "different subjects". To witness someone talking for 20 minutes straight without interruption, then witnessing a short silence as contemplation is apparent in the faces of listeners and then we hear responses without emotion, usually vectored towards conclusions or furtherance of additional contemplation is refreshingly invigorating compared to the explosive emotionalism of subjective interpretation of logic determined by politics. Everything is "politics"- so "Science" does not exist. It starts with US...and how we conjure the world in our skulls. That "out there" is really "in here"

The error (existence) is the inversion of the imaginary as existence, validated by the virtual singularity of "human" ignorance.

The only thing fatiguing about these discussions is the atrocious audio of 80% of the participants.

Don’t know how I found this , but here I am …..interesting stuff 🫶🏻

Thanks for the talk Ronald! David here 😊

Point-i has been the answer to the question, "does nothingness include the absence of understanding" for the past seven years.

Oh boy.! Finally found Roland at 2:20. Why didn't anyone tell me? i was hoping Ron would bring up C slightly future shifted, which he seemed to advocate/discuss? a decade ago. Hameroff is starting to think this. Also decisions being made before we think they are, and tennis/ baseball players must start their swing as the ball leaves the opponents hand. So cognition is "ahead" of Now. Having played some ball, i know this feels true when that rare "flow" state occurs. However, the brainwaves may go to gamma, so time slows down and microadjustments are potentiated. That could account for flow- or time slowing down in a car crash. This is adrenal, so gamma can be modulated by a gland. What Roland said about messing up in playing music- same happens in roadracing..you mess up a turn slightly and it may amplify in the next turn or two and crash you out. The 1/4 second distraction of that messup interrupts the future flow like a barrier creating turbulence and that processing delay is paid for later The subjective experience of time is very sloppy but interesting Insight is abundant. Most of those small trees have been climbed by almost all of us. It is time to look at the invisibly small and the inconceivably large if we want to "understand"

If you want a "solid" concept of Now. It is Zero on the number line. Negative is past. Positive is future in quadtrilliquintzillionth of a nanosecond "You" ARE that Zero try to stay there- you dont have to try to get out of it. you cant. you always will be experiencing "Now" - a true and useful illusion. Who knew zero and the number line could be SO convincingly perfectly accurate? MATH!!!!

i just want to add that this vid captured my attention, but i could only listen to half of it. I'll listen to the rest tomorrow. i really wanted to hear what Roland Mann had to say, because he has sound metaphysical and scientific grounding, one of my fave VMers ever. Sadly he left early. Most of the discourse here was almost anecdotal, and i prefer to explore the edges of meaning and honestly Ron can be very good at that. I would like to ask Ron one thing: You mentioned back in 2009? on VM about our consciousness "existing" in the future. I remember violently disagreeing (adhering to Now), but guess what? i changed my mind! LOL i actually have several lines of scientific evidence and/or implication. So, i am not here to assassinate character. Just to define terms as accurately as possible. i'd love to Zoom with y'all (not really..i'm introverted) but i am addicted to Miami Dolphins football which captures spacetime segment humans call Sunday..btw, the crows around here have "Sunday chats" lol and another btw.. "I never believe absolutes" is in itself an absolute

My question. Since your consciousness requires duration ie a parcel of time, why do you care about Now? It will always be a smudge, not pixilated. You are speaking of your experiences, which occur in response to stimuli within brackets of hundredths or at most tenths of seconds. This is thousands of lifetimes to a physicist, maybe a few hundred to a biologist. The amount of physical change that took place in your body in a few hundreths of a second would fill all the computers in the world a millionfold. You want to "experience" that? People have. It's called metaphysical experience. Please access newest info on psychiatric use of hallucinogens. I like Rons' views, really. I can see where he is coming from and agree with most of his perspective...But not being interested in Physics ("I'm interested in what time does, not what it is) or metaphysics (Subjective experience of the Eternal in the Now) show an interest only on a semantic level and it becomes dodgeball with words. i AM interested in the physics and i can tell you time is real and can be measured to inconceivable accuracy. Did you know that we can measure the difference in time rate (in earths grav) between your feet and the top of your head? That's pretty damn accurate. Now, YOU are a smudge in time rate perpendicular to your gravitational source. So now the question becomes WHERE is now? You are getting too accurate Ron...We NEED approximation or these smudges (Van Gogh used smudges...) Think of it this way..You speak of time. Super duper accuracy. What about time zones? They cover hundreds of miles and then jump an hour. (A quantum jump?) If things were as they were you'd have to set your clock every few minutes if you traveled in the X axis only (Note correlation with geometry as well as space?) Not practical. Approximation is now useful. You insist on getting smaller and smaller increments, but refute the world when things get below your Newtonian biases. You reject the quantum, so you reject the very language shared and the very landscape within these processes occur. This would be called ignorance. (Not being derogatory- i am ignorant of many things, sometimes unjustifiably: willfully) The smaller you get, you end up in Planck space or Planck time (they are same coin) This is where our vision stops.. I'm guessing Ron would ask, what is between those ticks? My answer would be Consciousness,...I see no way around recognizing it as fundamental. Physics is definitely moving towards just that. To me Consciousness is the shockwave that immediately preceded the Big Bang. It is running away from itself, faster and faster as it were, sorta what we'd see as Dark Energy(?) It is impulse that propagated time (as time always requires an observer- observer being particle) and they indeed mutually arise- A most important concept poorly understood by linear cognition. It was "Let there be light", yes- very cool But it was really "SPREAD OUT"! cuz everything was one big mess- Singularity. So Moe the Father of the Trinity of Stooges shouted that first phrase- He was the One that had to become everything else. (the Trinity being Perception>Decision>Action, the formula for C) Therefore the spreading out caused the invention of space, and light filled the space so we could realize individuation, by our beings changing in this new thing called time and space... the carrier of the information of change are waves (photons) bouncing between clocks called particles...clocks being condensed and static. Frozen waves which the cost of freezing the light motion is mass. You will never ever feel "exactly now" because the response time of the neurons is far, far too slow. You will however have the subjective feeling of now if you "flow" Old psych term. No metaphysics. There are many avenues to "know" Now. One of the best is the beautiful conception of zero. It is the only perfect metaphor. So perfect, i don't need to elaborate

To Terry: Particles are clocks

Terry, do you believe the universe is made of liquid? Because you sound like you're underwater.