My guess is it was like calling a Greek "Turk" or, may Allah forgive me for uttering this name, an "Albanian"
@ihavenomouthandimusttype972913 күн бұрын
Pretty sure that was the Westerosi equivalent of calling a black man born and raised in England a Nigerian
@rockingbirdey18 күн бұрын
Criston is from the Dornish Marches. He's a Westerosi from the Seven Kingdoms in the books and the show, but he probably has a Dornish mother in the show since his father was a steward for House Dondarrion and I doubt the Dondarrions are gonna have a Dornishman as their steward. I doubt every stormlander in the Dornish Marches hate the Dornish. Maybe it was a forbidden love type thing, I dunno.
@user-zl4xv7nu9c22 күн бұрын
In an earlier episode, I believe ep 1...the show refers to cole as dornish (yes, I know he's not dornish in the books; however he's just said to be the son of the steward. A knight, for sure, but not said to be dornish or otherwise)
@halfdeadfish23 күн бұрын
I think he’s outright called Dornish in season 1
@Marc_Araujo23 күн бұрын
The show changed it and established that he's Dornish. At the tourney, where he beat Deamon, Alicent states: "oh he's Dornish" to Rhsenyra. In the book, he's from the Dornish Marches and is the son of the steward of Blackhaven, which is in the Stormlands.
@ojosetome28 күн бұрын
The show established that he's Dornish. Don't know if it's different in the books, but it made sense show-wise.
@popakontas32829 күн бұрын
In episode 1 of season 1 Alicent says "Gods, he's dornish" when she sees Criston without his helmet on. I'm assuming Criston has a dornishman's complexion despite being from the Stormlands. I guess you could relate this to Cristion being hispanic and being from Gibraltar which is British territory
@tomcurtis842629 күн бұрын
He is of Dornish descent, but born and raised in Blackhaven
@CsySnw29 күн бұрын
I think the show just made Cole either full or half Dornish
@MondayMorningMaester29 күн бұрын
After the season finale I’m convinced that Gwayne and House Hightower know more about house Cole than CC does.
@RuanLukas-gf7gr29 күн бұрын
Question sir who do think will win duel between maegor the cruel vs robert baratheon
@MondayMorningMaester29 күн бұрын
I’m going to side with Robert. No dragon to rely on, only his hammer. Though Maegor was very skilled and accomplished with weapons, he also had the ability to press the mega evolution button for Balerion. Robert never had that to rely on, just his nerve, so I’ll give the edge to him. What about you?
@RuanLukas-gf7gr29 күн бұрын
@@MondayMorningMaester I give to maegor I mean he was battering seasoned men at Arms at the age 12 into submission and 13 he already defeated hardened knights twice his age in melees
@RuanLukas-gf7gr29 күн бұрын
@@MondayMorningMaester do you think at the trident if rhaegar had Arthur dayne as well as other kingsguard there things would've been different was Robert really tested
@MondayMorningMaester29 күн бұрын
@@RuanLukas-gf7gr I think they’re very similar and it would be an even match. Similar builds and temperament.
@MondayMorningMaester29 күн бұрын
@@RuanLukas-gf7gr I think they would only staunch the bleeding. The Targaryen end was inevitable. Too many powerful rebels. North, Vale, Stormlands and Riverlands. Plus the Westerlands sit on the bench so the loyalists don’t even have them to rely on. It’s just the Reach and Dorne that are actively aiding the Targs. Weird collab there.
@JoelJohnson24Ай бұрын
Bruh in season finale Gwayne literally calls him, "steward's son from Dorne". Alicent also said "God's he's Dornish" in S1E1. Idk what you're talking about.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
Alicent the wise is never wrong. It’s funny that in two seasons of this show, Otto’s kids talk more about Cole’s background than Cole does. Like they have a file folder tucked away at the citadel on Cole.
@louisekenway3455Ай бұрын
Criston Cole from El Paso,Texas.
@kimberlyrobinson3992Ай бұрын
Well, I’m glad you explained it to me because I didn’t get the joke, either. I thought Cole was from Dorne based on what Alicent said in the very first episode. But, maybe she didn’t realize, either. Alicent and Gwayne strike me as the Westeros version of the kind of kids I grew up with. Although they live in Manhattan, their family lives on Park Avenue or Fifth Avenue, so they know nothing of the borough above 96th Street or below 23rd Street. In other words, to translate for you non-New Yorkers, they are completely ignorant of any neighborhood that’s diverse or artistic or non-white or economically challenged or any combination of the above.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@kimberlyrobinson3992 the show added the dornish blood wrinkle to his character. There’s no grey area in the book. He’s from the Stormlands, no mention of a dornish ancestor. I think the writers wanted to make Cole more divisive than he already is when you consider his modest upbringing. You now have a guy that has dornish blood and raised in a part of the Stormlands that fight the dornish every chance they get. Thing is the show didn’t do anything else with it other than mention it three total times in two seasons. A lazy addition imo. Yeah they definitely grew up sheltered. When I think of peak high born entitlement, I think of the reach. I will say I enjoyed gwayne’s scenes with his sister. You saw a gentler side to Gwayne that FF portrayed very well.
@alanpennieАй бұрын
In one sense it was *just a joke*, either by Gwayne or against. In another it was an intriguing comment on frontier societies, their hybrid culture, and the way outsiders perceive them.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@alanpennie and Gwayne dares to go there again in the finale!! The nerve of this guy 🤣
@brendan9868Ай бұрын
I genuinely can’t tell, initially I thought he was just trying to annoy him, but in the finale he referred to him as Dornish again in a much more serious conversation. So can’t tell if it’s: 1. Gwayne is a perpetual troll 2. The Hightowers are geographically brain dead, despite Oldtown being the center of learning in Westeros. Would also be very ironic because the reach has its own Dornish Marches and Marcher lords as well, most notably the Tarlys and GRRM’s favorite punching bag, the Peakes. 3. The show changed his origin to be Dornish, rather than Marcher.
@thepunisher6674Ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure it was gywane being racist and classist because Cole is actually half dornish in the show and extremely low born the sone of a Stuard of house dondarrian, plus the dornish fought the reach for many decades before the targaryians and even after aegons conquest the dornish aren’t a part of the seven kingdoms and they wage guerillia campaigns against the reach and storm lands often, so these two factors combine to make gwyane feel slighted by having to follow Cole and after this episode when Cole saves gwyanes life and leads a successful campaign in the crownlands against the blacks gwyane starts to respect Cole for his millitary mind It’s honestly a very interesting moment that sums up cristions expirence as a kingsguard in kings landing being discriminated against for his low birth and ethnicity but warning the respect of high lords and ladies through this competence
@fobudomhАй бұрын
In season 1 Cole was referred as a Dornish.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@fobudomh Alicent the Wise has never been wrong
@ZiggyBonesАй бұрын
The Dornish Marches, i think the idea that westeros doesnt have cultural mixing as you get closer to kingdoms borders is not really all that farfecthed. What would stop a peasant in Wyl who worked a farm who lost his work to work on a farm in Blackhaven? This isn't a modern society with visas and border entries
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@ZiggyBones it’s never referenced that stormlanders or reach mingle with dornish. Like if this happened in the text it would be kept quiet and never discussed because how much hatred is between the two.
@ZiggyBonesАй бұрын
@@MondayMorningMaester there's definitely some historical animosity between houses of the marchers which could apply to lower born folk, but still not certain on that
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@ZiggyBones some animosity is putting it lightly. I appreciate you watching and commenting. Looking forward to the finale tonight.
@ZiggyBonesАй бұрын
@@MondayMorningMaester we don't bring up vorian dayne and the tarly dinner table
@vikingthedudeАй бұрын
He’s Italian
@lordhandsomeswag1854Ай бұрын
if only there was some way for people living in Oldtown to have access to geographical knowledge
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
Haha I know right
@kimberlyrobinson3992Ай бұрын
Well, that’s funny but remember that our society has Wikipedia, Google, etc. and there are still plenty of dumb, misinformed people walking around.
@rashelleobey7626Ай бұрын
Monday on a Saturday this week 😅❤
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
I’m two days early 😂 Thank you for watching !!
@kevinroark5815Ай бұрын
Gwen is seriously underrated character.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@kevinroark5815 he’s gotten better as the season has gone on too. His conversation with Alicent about Daeron in ep 6 was especially good.
@cataclysm7256Ай бұрын
On S1 when he was revealed; either Rhaenyra or Alicent, cant remember which, say "oh he's dornish" or something to that effect. So i guess it's more of a snark comment on his ancestry than his homecountry.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@cataclysm7256 yeah you’re probably right
@brittanyrae5771Ай бұрын
You have a very Pittsburgh accent lol
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
Your ears do not deceive you lol
@brittanyrae5771Ай бұрын
@@MondayMorningMaester I’m too excited to know someone nearby is nerding out on KZbin 😂 as I would technically consider this ASOIAF content moreso than HOTD content, but the timing is well played.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@brittanyrae5771 yes definitely more asoiaf. I’m trying to relate what I can to each week’s episode. That way if people are interested in the lore, it’s there. I used to spend hours reading about all these characters and places and never really had anywhere to talk about it so figured I’d make a channel. And thank you!! Pittsburgh representation matters!! I’ll take all the local support I can get haha
@brittanyrae5771Ай бұрын
@@MondayMorningMaester yesssss, I am in a Discord server where a few of us have been discussing starting a channel together for years but it’s difficult to cooperate since we are all in different cities 😅 we come up with great theories together, but can’t quite get the right personality balance to have someone be in charge and get us on track to actually do it.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@brittanyrae5771 it’s a tough thing to get started. I think when you add multiple people it can be even more difficult. Good luck to you!! And thank you for watching, I appreciate it 🙏
@MaesterGreenАй бұрын
The show called him Dornish in episode 1
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@MaesterGreen yes, by Alicent the Wise. She gets everything right.
@Tulkash01Ай бұрын
More likely the showrunners didn’t know the difference between the dornish marches and Dorne proper.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@Tulkash01 that or they wanted to make a smarty pants show creation without investing any real time in to it
@Tulkash01Ай бұрын
@@MondayMorningMaester from what I’m hearing season 2 showrunners are not the kind of people who like devoting time to researching the original material…
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@Tulkash01 this season has been incredibly drawn out. More time spent with characters sitting in the same place and less time with characters on the move in more interesting areas. Two minutes at the golden tooth and nothing since. Rhaena in the Eyrie gets two minutes an episode. Overall the season has been fine and that’s about it.
@Bayard1503Ай бұрын
The thing is... they say the same thing in season 1, that he is a Dornishmen... so I don't know if it's a joke or show-canon that he is indeed Dornish.
@MegshroomАй бұрын
I love Simon Strong, he reminds me of an older Sam Tarly, and his facial expressions kill me. Oscar Tully is the goat. I love how he appeared green at first ( and he is ) then immediately sh*tted on Daemon LMAO. We love to see it.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@Megshroom that’s a great comparison for strong! I never thought of that, but it makes a ton of sense. I was impressed when Tully gathered himself and put Daemon in his sights. Smart move and it won his people over. Thank you for watching!!
@BelieveInUrself93Ай бұрын
I think he is Dornish and it will still end up being meaningful to his character, in time.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@BelieveInUrself93 we’ll find out. Thank you for watching.
@TlevidsАй бұрын
It makes sense that Cole is Dornish by descent but raised on the other side of the border. This was often the situation in the Welsh Marches between the Medieval Welsh Kingdoms and England in the middle ages: there were Welsh people on both sides of the border with different political allegiances. The marcher lords themselves were Norman/English descended often with high amounts of Welsh blood, and they ruled over mixed populations - Welsh, English, Normans, Flemish etc. GRRM himself has said that Dorne takes much of its inspiration from Medieval Wales (in its history, laws, customs etc.) and the marches are clearly based on the marcher lordships of Medieval Britain.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@Tlevids I appreciate everyone making the real life border comparisons but there’s nothing in any Martin text that supports Dornish and marcher lords from either Stormlands or Reach ever had a positive relationship with the Dornish. I seriously cannot recall it ever being mentioned.
@GhilannugsАй бұрын
I just know there is so much more to Saera, I dont trust the words of a Maester based on information passed down from several other untrustworthy sources
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
I’m sure there’s more to the story. The maesters would surely be more judgmental so I’d be interested to read an impartial version. Thank you for watching!!
@robot8290Ай бұрын
Saera was crazy for comparing herself to maegor infront of jaehaerys 😬
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@robot8290 yep no doubt. That might’ve been the craziest thing she did 😅 thank you for watching !!
@luisa.acevedo3326Ай бұрын
I would have fed her to Vermithor. After all her friends, of course.
@brianm4178Ай бұрын
Yes it was intentional and yes he's very calculating. Their parents instilled politics in them both, one to marry well and the other to bring honor. Otto believed he was the star of their show and he also told him who is banging his sister 😂😂
@TyingSaturnАй бұрын
They mention it in Season 1 episode 1 when he's introduced at the tourney: Criston is part-Dornish ("has some Dornish blood in him," I believe they phrased it).
@Novgorod_RepublicАй бұрын
What's genius here? It's like how some people are calling any Slavs Russian, including Ukrainians. Either deliberately trying to offend someone or being ignorant.
@godsgirl8751Ай бұрын
When he took his helmet off, didn’t Rhaenrya or Alicent say he was Dornish at that Knight competition, that day her mom died giving birth?
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
Yeah Alicent said it. Do we trust Alicent the Wise?
@blorkflorkernorp9773Ай бұрын
All 3 dragonseeds so far have one thing in common besides Valyrian blood. "Ok, fuck it. FINE. Kill me already." It's like they have to completely give up on their life for a dragon to let them start a new one.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@blorkflorkernorp9773 yeah that’s true. Though seasmoke is a little more puzzling. Did he seek out Addam for the bond or was Addam a random target at first that showed his character and blood to a dragon that needed a rider? I can’t recall a dragon seeking a rider ever in book canon so I’d lean towards the latter. Thank you for watching!!
@Ambar42Ай бұрын
It's no genius comedy, just racism.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
To call a dornishmen dornish?
@Ambar42Ай бұрын
@@MondayMorningMaester You said yourself that he isn't a Dornishman.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@Ambar42 are you saying that Gwayne doesn’t think Cole is dornish but is calling him it anyway cause of his complexion? Just making sure I understand
@Ambar42Ай бұрын
@@MondayMorningMaester Yes, basically, or rather that he doesn't distinguish between Dornishmen and people from the Dornish Marches and he shows off that ignorance. It's all the same to him. It's like when people call Iranians Arabian although they know better and although they are different cultures and even opposed to each other, just to disrespect them.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@Ambar42 gotcha thanks
@TmathhАй бұрын
oscar tully was a beast
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@Tmathh he handled himself well in the godswood. Safe to say he won his vassals over. Thanks for watching!
@pedroernesto6941Ай бұрын
do we know how much time it takes to send a crow to dragonstone from king's landing? because you can establish a pretty good spy operation just sending messages whatever someone sees aemond with vaghar
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@pedroernesto6941 yeah that’s a good point. I think they’ve established that ravens from the eastern coastal areas like DS, Driftmark, KL, Rooks Rest reach their destination very quickly. I know it always seems like they get there in a comically quick fashion, but for those areas it’s more believable. Thank you for watching!!
@faiss03Ай бұрын
Missed you last week bro! I have a schedule of HOTD analysis videos that I watch throughout the week in wait for the new episode and knew I wasn’t tripping when I was one short haha 😂
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@faiss03 thank you so much!! That means a lot. It legit bothered me that I was going to be away during episode 6 but came to terms that it’ll just be out late. Thank you for watching and reaching out 🙏
@ptptpt123Ай бұрын
Remember all the books Hightowers have nearby? One might gain some skill
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
I think Alicent operated on picture books alone
@johansmallberries9874Ай бұрын
The Tully’s definitely feel like upper middle management.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@johansmallberries9874 haha yeah for sure. Picture a reality show with the great houses of Westeros only. House Tully playing little brother all week long.
@ox8833Ай бұрын
All the other houses are just butt hurt because they didn’t see the potential of that land.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
Imagine the guy that gave the land away
@aryamangogoi6764Ай бұрын
Oscar Tully gonna change all that
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@aryamangogoi6764 the young trout did well last night. Rocky start but he adjusted.
@aryamangogoi6764Ай бұрын
@@MondayMorningMaester waiting for him and Benjicot Blackwood smashing Lord of Storm's end and their grand entry in kingslanding 😎
@CallumDickson666Ай бұрын
Rhaenyra: You saw combat in the Stormlands. Criston: Dornish marches, Princess. I fought for a year as a foot soldier against the Dornish incursions.
@CallumDickson666Ай бұрын
They're just being racist twats calling him Dornish because they know it will piss him off
@shaunw9092Ай бұрын
House Tully and the Riverlands can show their teeth at times as we saw during The Dance, where they did the bulk of the fighting for the Blacks. The Riverlands became where Green armies go to die. During GoT Tywin did a better job at causing disorder in the Riverlands. Once their Stark allies were eliminated all the Lannisters had to do was mop up in Feast for Crows.
@MondayMorningMaesterАй бұрын
@@shaunw9092 yep they take a beating in war of the five kings. Lannisters and especially the Mountain did a lot of damage. Thank you for watching!