I think you mean strong rather than good, but yep, it is indeed, an illusion. Hope you start to do your tendons a favour and not give into it so much! Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.

that's fantastic to hear, hope it goes well! I'd just note that really any ONE thing if you do it all the time, might still lead to repeditive injury so try to see if you can get a couple grips going that work for you along the way so you can change it up a bit. An upside will be once your right wrist recovers, you'll be able to switch back and forth between them to distribute the load ;)

um, no that's not going to save the earth. In fact I would bet that many with all the plastics and metal that go into them, are more carbon heavy and a bigger pollution issue than what's left of a wood pencil when we're done with one. Don't get me wrong, I have several technical pencils for different size leads, but I do not buy the premise of your comment at all.

@Chiwi_XD well... And who will care about 🌎 saving if we remove humanity?

@@rumsky_r @Chiwi_XD Look, both of you get the hell out of my comments with this nonsense. EARTH IS NOT IN DANGER, and at best what you want to save is ourselves, and life ON earth. And there's NO ART TOOL that will save the biosphere or solve any of our ecological problems by using or not using. The problem is FAR bigger than art tools. The only thing anything like that that might make a difference? It's NOT USING THE WEB or AI. The resources, power and water consumption that goes into things like video servers and AI generation eclipses ANYTHING you're doing to make art. So if you care so damn much about that, log off now. Whatever you do though, get the hell off my feed and do it somewhere else dumbasses.

Thanks this gives hope

Quite a lot of it does actually. Since a couple months after I made this I've been working in animation nearly full time in an all digital workflow and I set my tablets [XP-Pen 22] sensitivity to pretty high to help reduce the amount of pressure needed and try to work with a light hand as a rule, based on what I leaned working in traditional mediums.

@@Salgood woah, a xppen? i didnt know they were that popular. honestly my experience with styluses has been mostly the pro pen2 which i struggle a lot using (you can see in my channel) and the spen/wacom one for my samsung s7fe, which is somewhat better since it has a screen unlike the intuos pro m... but the wacom one pen for some reason always feels like i need more force to activate it, especially if i tilt the pen (no app changes solved this). i started watching this video because everytime i use my propen2 on my intuos pro m i get a looooooot of pain on my quervain zone, its crazy. sometimes i think if its related to the surface or my grip... which is why i started watching your video. i actually want to upgrade to those chinese displays they sell since most of my latest work has been done on the s7fe, despite the complications... what i fear is that it might be too heavy too activate in comparison to the pro pen2 (which, unlike the wacom one or spen can be activated with no force at all). iirc pro pen is less than 1 gram and xppen is more, but idk how much

I don't know how popular they are but they make some good laminated screen tablets. I had a 15.6 Pro for a few years and was slowly getting into more digital rendering. Then the studio I got hired by late 2020 uses Artist Display 22E Pro and gave me one to use at home and i've been on that ever since. Would like to get a 22R Pro at some point for myself but for now sticking with the one that costs me nothing ;) I like them a lot, I had a few older model Critique screens to work on in a class I taught in the years before but never really liked them as much. And the prices is a lot better for what you get too with the XP-Pens. And yeah, that muscle group in particular is going to be too much GRIPPING most of all, pressure on the tip will add to it but mainly you're probably holding the tool in your hand too tightly. For the pressure you're applying on the screen, most styluses have a setting interface with a graph and you can set how much/sensitive it is to how much pressure on that. That's what I used to make it so I have to use very little pressure at all. Doing that might help you to grip less hard but it's maybe also just a thing to work on with your grip as well. @@polar6066

I'm guessing you ment a 'big' fan? Yeah I can believe it, shows in his work!

I named it AT the start of the clip.

Thanks!

It's always hard at first learning new motor control paterns, especially as we get older. Remember to relax and breath and just go slow at first focusing on getting used to the way things feel.

thanks!

No, I'm not looking for anything, i have a full time job and I'm putting aside social media hustling and hording my personal time for peroneal work, not doing anything for anyone else.

@@Salgood Ok no sweat I wasn't asking for myself but as representative of your fandom to keep this space active interesting, and perhaps you could do something important for history by giving us your interpretation of of a significant prehistoric artwork One that,. You're level of expertise is required. Thanks anyway

sounds cool but aside from being curious what you're talking about it sounds like a distraction from my own things@@shermanatorosborn9688

When I was first learning as a kid in the 70s and 80s, one of my parents was a photographer so I was surrounded by a lot of that and so I studied a lot of B&W photography. Still a good source for educating your eye and developing good intuition about what works there. Lots of theory you can look at too to help fortify a more conscious understanding of why it works but just looking at good examples of tonal work and doing studies of those is probably the best practice.

@@Salgood thank you so much man for the respone :D imma go practice now

Wonderful, hope it's helping!

@@Salgood Definetely allowed me to continue my drawing. Although, I noticed that the angle towards the page changed more to 25 or 30 degrees, which was messing a bit with my pigment liners. Apparently I adopted a weird wrist position again a few times to mitigate that. Have to test around a bit more there.

I'm often resting my arm if not my palm on the desk a bit, but not all the time, depends on the nature of the strokes I'm doing. I'll use my pinky to stabilize things when I'm using a brush and you can't really do that as much. Posture and stance is important in this, if you're leaning over it's hard not to be using one or both arms to brace yourself so that's where being able to suport your body without your arm is impacted by your posture. But there's lots of times where it's fine to rest your arms own weight on the desk for some of it. Try that last grip for a bit to break the only fist habit maybe? it's really stable and I suspect a more comfortable intermediary from the kind of grip you're trying to get out of the habit of. And make sure you're hand and arm are relaxed and not tensed, that will help a lot too. For the circles, remeber to do it more with the arm. And then it's basicly two isolatable movements - swing of the shoulder back and forward and the swing of the elbow left to right - being smoothed into one.

@@Salgood Thank your for sharing advice. I’ll try to keep at it and draw with the last grip, but I’ll try to keep my stance and posture straight more. When you say circles come from the arm, I already can make pretty much any stroke I want from the arm. Big to medium circles aren’t a problem for me. It’s just like you said in the video that I lack a lot of finesse and my detail work sucks. I never learned to write correctly and as a result I can’t make a small stroke with my fingers or medium stokes with my wrists without it being wobbly. That’s mainly the issue I’m trying to solve. I think that has mainly to do with my grip and not my arm, right? I saw you make really good small circles with only your fingers in this video.

@@aabirk8400 Probably need to work on strength and dexterity for your fingers, i use a couple of large bearings and pool balls [heavy and light options] like Baoding balls, as a warm up/stretching/dexterity exercise to deal with hand cramping, might be of help.

@@Salgoodsorry I have one last question for you. When you rest your hand on the table, is your weight towards the bottom or top of the side of your hand. I put most of my weight towards the bottom I I think it’s causing me to move my fingers weirdly.

@@aabirk8400 so really it's only on the outside edge of the bottom of my palm. But i hardly put any weight on it most of the time, really mostly use that for some stability.

it restricts how much you can do with your wrist so it's not great for it. The video has my tips in it, try working from the top right side down to the bottom left corner to be able to not cover your drawing as you go. No reason a drawing has to be done left to right. For the occasional situation where your hand is over the art you have the same issues a right handed person does, move your head or stop and lift your hand out of the way for a moment to look at it all.

Cool. Which grip specifically? Link?

Do you have a link to where you learnt this from? I'm interested in knowing more. Especially which grip you're referring to.