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@RESET_-bg7kw Сағат бұрын
Lossless SDR Comparisons: slow.pics/c/FJmG9rv3
@RESET_-bg7kw Сағат бұрын
Lossless SDR Comparisons: slow.pics/c/wJ9n6kdX Dolby Vision Tone Mapping Comparisons: drive.google.com/file/d/1YlHpfTRp3EuS2C1cUVijJ8qt8CZVeT6V/view?usp=drive_link
@flowride4076 7 сағат бұрын
Massive difference! The brightness must be insane on a appropriate display
@azwilko1997 16 сағат бұрын
fantastic film and im surprised theres actual differences for the 4K with it being entirely lit naturally by candles and daylight. seems the 4K slightly skews towards green and has a lot more shadow detail compared to the 1080 disc
@RESET_-bg7kw 17 сағат бұрын
Lossless SDR Comparisons: slow.pics/c/NJbXM8Ip Dolby Vision Tone Mapping Comparisons: drive.google.com/file/d/1hKlguE17yCs1wpyZ3kmTa0AsuEyKfC2U/view?usp=drive_link
@RESET_-bg7kw 17 сағат бұрын
Lossless SDR Comparisons: slow.pics/c/Hi1bowa1 Dolby Vision Tone Mapping Comparisons: drive.google.com/file/d/1iDp6XaDpClPZHoUO5qaNKLS_gFKM4e7C/view?usp=drive_link FEL vs BL: slow.pics/c/QHcMogKa
@benjaminvrecourt1659 20 сағат бұрын
Great content ! What would be your recommendations for playing DV P7 files on Samsung TV (which doesn't support Dolby Vison) ? Player-led HDR ?
@RESET_-bg7kw 20 сағат бұрын
Yes, Ugoos with CPM build can do FEL player-led HDR to any display.
@Haydos 23 сағат бұрын
Hey. I remember you making a video about iTunes dolby vision problems. Have they fixed that or if I remember correctly it only affects the rpu data so it's safe to use it for this purpose? Im only getting it for this purpose because I already have my rips of my 4k discs. Thanks!
@RESET_-bg7kw 23 сағат бұрын
No it's not fixed and yes it only affects Profile 5 playback so it's not a problem when we restore cmv4.0 or make P8 hybrid.
@is3commander Күн бұрын
Hi! Panasonic UB9000 is also messed up?
@RESET_-bg7kw Күн бұрын
Most likely yes but it's not messed up. It's just two different implementations of Dolby Vision. The old version allowed clipping and the latest one doesnt.
@bertlegion683 Күн бұрын
Great content. You’re answering the questions many of us are asking 👍
@sreezon Күн бұрын
If the bake FEL using the instructions from your other video, is a player like this necessary? Will this pick up something that baking will miss?
@RESET_-bg7kw Күн бұрын
DV will be identical but re-encoding = quality loss
@戴圣-n8c Күн бұрын
the excel is gone?
@RESET_-bg7kw Күн бұрын
Deleted by mistake, new link: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15i0a84uiBtWiHZ5CXZZ7wygLFXwYOd84/edit?gid=828864432#gid=828864432
@MustafaKhan-hg8lu Күн бұрын
Just started diving into more detailed encodes/release groups and I came across your account and youtube channel. This is honestly a goldmine of niche information that I can't seem to find anywhere else in one place like you explain. So many answers to my questions about EL compatibility and now even trims/layers are answered through your forum replies
@RockinEnabled Күн бұрын
Wow! I've never seen so much colour in an HDR transfer! I just hope it's all in the original, not just a few sliders cranked up. The film itself is a vivid one, if I remember the style alright. Worth a rewatch! Thanks!
@RockinEnabled Күн бұрын
Great video, thank you! I am used to watching DV from mp4 rips via the built-in media player of my LG C3 (I use a hard drive connected via USB). Let's imagine I make correct rips (baked FEL if needed, etc.) and audio over optical is enough for me. Is there any benefit for me in Ugoos? Apart from the convenience. Will it present a more accurate DV picture in comparison to the built-in media player? If there are any issues with the built-in player, I would be :D Excuse me if I am repeating an old question, but I haven't asked about it from this perspective, I believe.
@RESET_-bg7kw Күн бұрын
I dont know about the C3 but it is most likely like my C2. There seem to be some colorspace conversion and YCBCR clipping issues on the internal LG TV apps. Try this pattern: drive.google.com/file/d/1ydBOoc1zfFGUV6uYJEdT1r5Eg2v74N40/view?usp=drive_link I'm not sure exactly how this affect DV quality and this following comparison doesn't include my C2 but as a reference see: slow.pics/c/NBQVuXQw I remember my old C8 didn't have those issue. Also, in my experience, watching MKV rip without having to worry about baking fel or not is a LOT more practical. MP4 and TS container can be buggy.
@RockinEnabled Күн бұрын
@@RESET_-bg7kw Practicality is obvious, yes. Thank you for the info! I'll take a look.
@aguardiantype7169 Күн бұрын
Glad I went for the umbrella version. Could you do comparisons for the other terrifier movies?
@ScruffyWarlord Күн бұрын
Thanks for making this video. I personally went with the Umbrella 4k boxset myself. Couldn't pass on the HDR dobly vision.
@sreezon Күн бұрын
What about later version of the Ugoos like the AM8 Pro?
@RESET_-bg7kw Күн бұрын
Doesn't support FEL P7 unfortunately. Only these devices can: discourse.coreelec.org/t/ce-ng-dolby-vision-fel-for-dv-licensed-socs-s905x2-s922x-z-s905x4/50953
@sreezon Күн бұрын
@@RESET_-bg7kw There are a couple of Dune players on that list, but the google doc with the DoVi Playback Devices says that the Dune player isn't supported. Can we use Dune?
@sreezon Күн бұрын
There are a couple of Dune players on that list but the google doc says Dune can't do Fel. Can Dune be used?
@RESET_-bg7kw Күн бұрын
@ only the dune player listed in that list can work with fel.
@RESET_-bg7kw Күн бұрын
Lossless SDR Comparisons: slow.pics/c/cr2G8L8Y Dolby Vision Tone Mapping Comparisons: drive.google.com/file/d/1oADMOYZ2yRL0tEZw-_JBYRuUNIyf8E0_/view?usp=drive_link
@RESET_-bg7kw Күн бұрын
Lossless SDR Comparisons: slow.pics/c/c3b3EaaF Dolby Vision Tone Mapping Comparisons: drive.google.com/file/d/12LECREkE-6JH5qKDmZy4RM68bvKZxgE6/view?usp=drive_link FEL vs BL: slow.pics/c/MOHmLqFF
@Manco654 Күн бұрын
6:50 So you are saying that I should let my LG OLED do the HDR tonemapping instead of my 4K Player (Panasonic UB820)? The HDR-Optimizer (in other words tonemapping feature) of the Panasonic player is usually praised by reviewers… 😅
@RESET_-bg7kw Күн бұрын
No, I'm saying that all the bluray players I tested: Sony and Oppo, are altering the DV dynamic metadata and limit the values to the mastering display causing clipping if the content goes above it and there's nothing you can do about it. This is how DV was implemented in these OLD SOC. I never tested the Panasonic player though but I would be very surprised if it was any different than Sony or Oppo. Keep in mind that this is not an issue if the content is properly graded within the Mastering display capabilities. HDR-Optimizer: I would never use any form of automatic dynamic tone mapping from players or TVs. These function can improve the image but it can also degrade it.
@Manco654 Күн бұрын
@ Thanks for the detailed answer, I think I go sth mixed up. The HDR Optimizer isn’t even available when outputting Dolby Vision, it’s for HDR10 only and meant to tonemap content that exceeds the capabilities of the TV (for example a 1000 nit TV and a higher nit hdr mastered disc). This tonemapping can alternatively be performed by the TV. I’d be very surprised if the Panasonic player was messing with the DV metadata in any harmful way, I think/hope it would have been noticed in reviews. 🙂
@RESET_-bg7kw Күн бұрын
''I’d be very surprised if the Panasonic player was messing with the DV metadata in any harmful way, I think/hope it would have been noticed in reviews.'' 99.99% sure it alters the metadata like the oppo/sony. This is just how the old DV cmv2.9 SOC was designed. Only the new cmv4.0 SOC respect 100% the metadata. The other reviewers dont understand DV as i do.
@Manco654 Күн бұрын
@ Ok, thanks for the clarification!
@azwilko1997 2 күн бұрын
are you able to do a comparison of the witch 2015s second sight transfer?
@azwilko1997 2 күн бұрын
theres definitely a noticeable difference with matte painting shot near the end. 4K version looks like a DNR mess compared to 2011
@millerlagos6202 2 күн бұрын
How do you know so much about Dolby Vision?
@RESET_-bg7kw 2 күн бұрын
I've been reading / testing DV for a long time :)
@heka6020 2 күн бұрын
Bonjour, merci pour tes explications. Je vis en Belgique et je suis détenteur d'un Ugoos AM6b+ avec CoreElec 21.1 omega nightly. Par contre je n'ai pas le moteur VS10 comme option. Pourais-tu m'orienter svp afin que je puisse l'intégrer. Encore une fois je te remerci pour tout le travail que tu fais 👍
@RESET_-bg7kw 2 күн бұрын
Salut, tu dois installer la version custom the CPM: github.com/cpm-code/xbmc/releases Met le fichier tar dans: \COREELEC\Update et reboot
@heka6020 2 күн бұрын
Merci l'ami... 😊👍 Force à toi
@MadcapMatt 2 күн бұрын
From what I remember seeing this on a IMAX screen it felt brighter to me than most of these shots are from the home release. This might be one of those cases where i just put it on vivid at home to make it look more like I remember it.
@cimarronpob 3 күн бұрын
Had mine for a couple of months but I’m getting significant lip sync issues with DV P7 files. Tried multiple versions of CoreElec including CPM and checked AVR settings. No lip sync issues on my Dune HD player, just no FEL on that.
@RESET_-bg7kw 3 күн бұрын
Did you try the latest A12 or A13?
@cimarronpob 3 күн бұрын
@ yes I’ve tried them both. Must be something I’m missing. I’ll keep trying.
@RESET_-bg7kw 2 күн бұрын
Strange... Audio/video sync has been rock solid since A12 on my C2 + Denon AVR... Before A12 I had audio sync issue if I FF/RW or resumed.
@janoskovacs95 3 күн бұрын
So its an "artistic choice" of the filmmakers to not make it high dinamic range regardless of the format? I remember Trap is like this, it looks exactly like its sdr even in hdr. In the case of Nosferatu I can understand it, but what was the matter with Trap?
@beefcake681 3 күн бұрын
Whats your preferred way to use Plex on the Ugoos? Also, can you share your Kodi settings?
@RESET_-bg7kw 3 күн бұрын
I use the ''composite'' addon to access my PLEX. The recommended settings are here: justpaste.it/divn9
@Quev 3 күн бұрын
neat video, also own Ugoos and it's great!
@jayn1848 3 күн бұрын
Can we connect? I would love to know how you encode your KZbin video and strip all the different sources I would like to create a similar video just need help how to encode it
@RESET_-bg7kw 3 күн бұрын
Oh, I wrote a script that does all my videos automatically without much effort. My email is in the end of all my videos but I keep this script for myself. You can do similar video with dovi_scripts workflow 7-2 and then the editing in Resolve.
@Prince_Seven 3 күн бұрын
Have you tested the HDR static metadata clipping issue on other displays and blu-ray players ? Some TVs apply different tonemapping and rollback depending on the mastering display luminance metadata while other TVs ignore this information (it's why some 4K discs like GoodFellas were deemed problematic on some TVs, being graded dim nit in a 4000 nits container, while workkng fine on other displays). A brand that handles this well has always been Panasonic, so I would be interested in knowing if you've tested the clipping issue on multiple TV brands and on Panasonic blu-ray players. It could be that the streaming boxes ignore the metadata and due to the TV's internal behavior, the clipping occurs on blu-ray players which don't ignore the metadata, but maybe on a different TV brand you would get the same results between streaming boxes and blu-ray players.
@RESET_-bg7kw 3 күн бұрын
The clipping issues im talking about in this video is about Dolby Vision, not static HDR10. In HDR10, the ugoos send all the original static metadata encoded in the video so if there is clipping issue in HDR10, then it's your TV. On LG, 4000 MDL: it use maxcll if under 4000. If MDL is 10 000nits, maxcll is ignored and the strongest curve is used. There is no difference between the tone mapping curves under the roll off point so darker content always looks correct even with stupid metadata. i.ibb.co/B5M9hDDB/hdr-roll-off.png
@HitcherUK 3 күн бұрын
Native Netflix, Prime, etc apps?
@RESET_-bg7kw 3 күн бұрын
No, this device is for bluray rip.
@ShreyTyagi 3 күн бұрын
What a great device. No AV1 support is such a bummer.
@axerake 3 күн бұрын
Always enjoy your trailers on my Sony A95L, love your dedication and collaboration. 👍
@IvorTheEngine 3 күн бұрын
Thing is, yes for future proofing, but literally all but a fraction of content isn't AV1, even the pirate community hasn't adopted it yet. Barely any hardware support at the moment. Same was said about HEVC though, so time will tell :)
@sreezon Күн бұрын
RockTek G2. You'd have to run the coreelec os from a flash drive or memory card however.
@PUsokrJosh305 3 күн бұрын
I’ll chime in with a comment: The HP films on 4K are very hard to tone map. The Chamber of Secrets has a very high nit value in terms of HDR grading. On top do that, it was graded on a 4,000 nit reference monitor, so it will be very bright. But with the right settings and player like a Panasonic 4K player with the HDR Optimizer, you can tone map these really well.
@RakeshRamachandranTvm 3 күн бұрын
When you mention these limitations for otter HDMI devices in the market are you considering SEI804 devices likes Homatics 4k plus and Nokia 8010 running CE. Those devices can also handle P7 FEL playback and true TV led decoding.. Those devices also support AV1 decoding
@RESET_-bg7kw 3 күн бұрын
Yes, see the pinned comment at the end, I give a link to the devices that support coreelec and why I only talk about the ugoos. Not sure why people care about AV1 support. I personally only care about bluray rip and I would never watch a re-encoded videos.
@RakeshRamachandranTvm 3 күн бұрын
@@RESET_-bg7kwSorry I missed the pinned comment.Apart from being the most powerful and obviously the most expensive device I genuinely wanted to understand that from a functionality, image quality and formats support perspective do the S905x4 devices lack anything compared to Ugoos. When you consider that the SEI804 devices cost less and can dual boot ATV14 and CE, it offers a very decent streaming experience as well with Auto frame rate, HD audio passthrough, Netflix licence and so on. And AV1 codec becomes useful for KZbin and such. So that makes the SEI boxes more versatile. But anyway my intention is to understand if DV playback quality lacks any thing compared to Ugoos when running CE
@JustinAlexanderBell 3 күн бұрын
What about security?
@RESET_-bg7kw 3 күн бұрын
Sure it's a Chinese box. They can spy on me as much as they want I don't have anything to hide.
@nguyenuckien2767 3 күн бұрын
When you get it just install core elec(it’s open source) and boot into it. That way you never have to boot the original os that came with the box and you won’t have anything to worry about.
@shs747 3 күн бұрын
How do you use skip intro with direct links and pkc? BTW, great video!
@RESET_-bg7kw 3 күн бұрын
You need a Plex pass as you probably know. On my ugoos I use the ''composite'' plex addon and the skip intro bouton works for all my TV show.
@SmanEDITS 3 күн бұрын
Can it decode AV1 and DolbyVision profile 10 ?
@RESET_-bg7kw 3 күн бұрын
AV1: no P10: I don't know
@RESET_-bg7kw 3 күн бұрын
CoreElec CPM builds: github.com/cpm-code/xbmc/releases Installation instructions: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15i0a84uiBtWiHZ5CXZZ7wygLFXwYOd84/edit?gid=845372636#gid=845372636 Content Over MDL patterns: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1FJcuC1Eo8xFS9P1wgzpARlJWcWoliuQ4 FEL pattern test: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1V-onFW4PwgKAFdVlwXeuKOnUvdZXqsY6 More pattern/test files: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1yAq-jgsb8pYa92PnGZkxyEV0E3VVkhiC Restore CMv4.0 on P7 rip: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHrClmCDha6Dotk Generate Real DV: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIe2mWalfNaZjrs DoVi_Scripts: forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=185317 Deliver 100nits DV trim: kzbin.info/www/bejne/on6YZ62CpbB3h5o CMv 4.0 vs 2.9 breakdown: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2arhZSIZc2FrKs DV explained: kzbin.info/www/bejne/epSxZ5RrbKmMd8U 6 things FEL can do: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3y4l2V9pdaim7c Colorspace Pattern: drive.google.com/file/d/1ydBOoc1zfFGUV6uYJEdT1r5Eg2v74N40/view?usp=drive_link PS: I know other devices also support the coreelec builds. I still recommend the Ugoos because it has a powerful SOC and most of the testing/development has been done on it. other supported devices: discourse.coreelec.org/t/ce-ng-dolby-vision-fel-for-dv-licensed-socs-s905x2-s922x-z-s905x4/50953
@RockinEnabled 3 күн бұрын
HP1 and HP2 seem kinda strange. There is new detail (both are native 4K scans), but not much in shadows and highlights (skies at 3:30 look awful, in my opinion; old CGI?), which is VERY surprising. Besides, the colour grading steers away from the original towards modern approaches (blues become teal/cyan, etc.). Correct me if I am wrong.
@Jimburai 3 күн бұрын
In that same time stamp you do get better colors though. A lot of older blu-rays had overly warm colors. The sky is super red on the Blu-ray. The 4k is way more natural. The clouds are actually white. Plus, I think one of the best things about Harry Potter on 4k is the extreme brightness of the magic. I think it's cool when you get otherworldly stuff like that with unnatural brightness, because it isn't natural. Like the diary at 5:50. It's more pronounced in the later movies when the color grading is really dark and desaturated, but the magic is super bright and extremely colorful still!
@RockinEnabled 3 күн бұрын
@Jimburai yup, at least they got rid of the overwhelming magenta
@PUsokrJosh305 3 күн бұрын
Yeah, the magenta plagued the blu-ray transfers but I think they swung it a bit more green this time around. Yes, it’s more natural but I feel it’s slightly more greener than in the neutral zone. Then again, I can’t remember what the color grade was in the theater since it was over 20 years ago!
@TarunKumar-ow2jh 3 күн бұрын
Just seems brighter, no additional details in highlights.
@PUsokrJosh305 3 күн бұрын
It’s a lot more than just brightness. I own all of them and they are way better than their blu-ray counterparts in terms of detail.
@TarunKumar-ow2jh 3 күн бұрын
@PUsokrJosh305 I'm not talking about the picture clarity. I'm talking about highlight details.
@PUsokrJosh305 3 күн бұрын
@@TarunKumar-ow2jh: I made a comment about this but the highlights are very bright. In fact, all the HP films are hard to tone map. This one has a high nit value plus it was referenced on a 4,000 nit monitor. However, if you have a Panasonic 4K player with the HDR Optimizer, you can tone map them better. The player also has an HDR Options menu to tweak things even further.
@Oshadorin 4 күн бұрын
Never been a fan of Harry Potter in HDR. The color grading destroys the original colors. At least for the first 2 movies. Never seen a comparison for the others.
@Oshadorin 4 күн бұрын
I love this channel so much. I know this is very much niche stuff, but it could have so much more subs
@AexoeroV 4 күн бұрын
Hey RESET, have you got a chance to try out the new Dune Pro Vision media player that replaces the Real Vision? It can do true TV LED and CMv4.0, it runs on Amlogic S905X4-J cipset and you can install CoreELEC NG with support for Profile 7 FEL. I like very much Dune players and i now bought the Pro Vision too, i installed CoreELEC NG then updated to CPM's build and added his skin too, the info is such good on his skin as it shows many things compared to the regular skin. Have you got the chance to try this player out in Dune's OS and UI, if yes what's your thoughts about it? Does true TV LED bring a better image compared to the fake TV LED of Real Vision? I now have them both hooked up to my OLED and i have switched between them running the same DV content and didn't noticed a difference, maybe if i had two TVs side by side, same model TVs. Do you have a video on true TV LED vs fake TV LED? Also i have seen that CoreELEC NG doesn't read properly the Profile 7 FEL test videos from your cloud, the ones with a red screen that shows the text only when FEL is supported. I can see the text that says that this device can decode FEL but then the videos seems to freeze although the info screen shows that the it runs but for example i dont get to the part where the video gets to a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. My LG B9 OLED can decode Profile 7 FEL with its internal player if its an mp4 container, maybe you know that till series 9 the internal player could do this, those test videos run fine on my B9, that's how i observed that CoreELEC has a bug or something.
@RESET_-bg7kw 4 күн бұрын
Hi, thanks for the info. No I didn't try because I don't test new devices anymore since the Ugoos AM6Bplus meets all my needs. If you didn't know, there was some major improvements in TV-LED with CPM A13 build.
@AexoeroV 3 күн бұрын
@@RESET_-bg7kw hey, thanks for the reply, i didnt knew about CPM's A13 build, im on A11, what improvements brings his new build regarding TV LED? If i install the new build i need to install his estuary kin too?
@Vircepresident 4 күн бұрын
IMAX framing looks terrible
@RESET_-bg7kw 4 күн бұрын
Why? It's not zoomed in or anything; it just adds more pixels to the image. Or do you think it feels less cinematic in IMAX?
@Yeastextract 4 күн бұрын
I thought the IMAX was the original framing and the other is simply cropped? Correct me if I’m wrong. I’ve watched Infinity War and Endgame in IMAX and they look so much better with that framing.
@Vircepresident 3 күн бұрын
@@RESET_-bg7kw the imax enhanced versions on disney+ they have so much empty space and headroom, you can clearly see they were framed for cinemascope. more picture doesn't mean it's better, composition of the shots is completely destroyed.
@peterm.4355 3 күн бұрын
@@YeastextractThe original, intended and preferred by directors of photography framing of those films is scope, not IMAX which is simply an open matte version.
@SomeHarbourBastard 3 күн бұрын
Looks three times better from where I’m watching.
@RESET_-bg7kw 4 күн бұрын
Lossless SDR Comparisons: slow.pics/c/1AonqViu Dolby Vision Tone Mapping Comparisons: drive.google.com/file/d/1jtdjERue9xFSwhLqYcIOu77kQDff90Mg/view?usp=drive_link
@RESET_-bg7kw 4 күн бұрын
Lossless SDR Comparisons: slow.pics/c/HebrPrb3 Dolby Vision Tone Mapping Comparisons: drive.google.com/file/d/1nB0nRKYAq7UW6Qt27Ca0eRFyIbBHLDaq/view?usp=drive_link
@TheMileev 4 күн бұрын
Thanks for your GREAT WORK!!! from Russia with love❤
@TylerMillhouse 6 күн бұрын
What a difference the HDR grade makes!
@Chrisratata 6 күн бұрын
This being 100-nit HDR yet the side-by-sides nonetheless looking different (sometimes darker sometimes brighter), things like this make me further "suspicious" of HDR sometimes... Technically, HDR offers the Colorists the opportunity to represent the film print most authentically, but I'm often curious whether sometimes they just use HDR as an opportunity to tweaking the toning in an attempt to make things pop more in a way that even 10-bit SDR doesn't offer. I understand what all of this stuff is supposed to be doing in theory, but the way certain images don't always reconcile with that understanding makes me question just how consistently the tools are being used across various films. Also, what purpose does DV serve in a situation like this?, seeing how it's not only flat but also the fact that pretty much every TV on the market can display 100 nits without mapping
@RESET_-bg7kw 6 күн бұрын
Yeah, they only played with the contrast and average brightness as you can see in the pixels measurement graphs . The average/average brightness is 15nits in SDR and 20nits in HDR and the peaks(maxcll) have pretty much the same brightness and some shots even have fewer highlights details in HDR. As for the DV metadata, they are indeed pointless.
@Prince_Seven 5 күн бұрын
@@RESET_-bg7kw I wouldn't call them pointless here. Many TV brands, especially in the low to mid range, don't have the most accurate HDR10 presentation put there, usually being brighter than EOTF. However on a lot of these TVs, enabling DV will provide more accurate results (while in DV Dark that is) or for general consummers offer options such as DV IQ to adjust the brightness depending on the environnement and avoid the "I can't watch this in my living room, HDR sucks" issue. It can also be argued DV would help with color tonemapping. But yes I think on higher end models, DV here is quite trivial.