How does a no thumb bowler do a back up?

Just found this video and its great. I throw one handed using house balls and always felt uncomfortable using thumb on most house balls. tried to change to no thumb one hand but could not figure out what the issue was until I saw this video.

You have no cross over on first step. You can't get to the line from the beginning.

Very nice video. Any tips and finger tipping vs full insert? Pros vs cons?

To me its my dick bigger than yours argument. Same in golf, where i should have continued with graphite shaft instead went with "friendly suggestion" steel shaft makes you golf like a pro. Loved the consideration of driving to and fro a tournament might as well throw a lighter ball and enjoy the game. And i started my thumbless journey with a 7lbs house with really small finger holes and seeing encouraging results by the second game. Really enjoyed this video Saul, only confirmed many of my own suspicion for this lovely game.

I know a no thumb guy who swings his arm away from his body instead under his head and he averages 220+ but the form you are showing definetly looks more natural.

I bowled 300 using a 13 pound black widow 3,0.

I no thumb as well, having a speed issue because I can’t stay behind the ball as well. Gonna try to keep the arm inside and ball tucked today 👌🏿 thank you

マイクミラーはサムレスの第一任者です。親指を入れないで果たしてボウリングが出来るのか❓️始め見た時は不思議な感じでしたがマイクミラーはそれをやりとげたんです。日本では少しずつですが、サムレス親指を入れないボウラーが出てきたと思います。2024.06.03.JAPAN

Well in 2019 you were stepping towards the left…in 2022 you were walking straight as you threw your ball. I had the same problem

Excelent explanation about the way to relese the ball, finguers poniting the target and evereting, thank you very much

I just got my first ball a few months ago. I wanted to hook it so bad I tried everything and nothing worked. Two finger no thumb was a disaster as I kept coming over the top of the ball. I settled on bowling straight with traditional grip and focusing on fundamentals like footwork and keeping my hand low and inside the ball. Got pretty good bowling straight, but that gets boring so I tried two finger no thumb again and threw the most beautiful hook across the lane and into the pocket! Now I'm bowling close to 200 with only a couple months practice. I think the key is to try to not over hook the ball. With good fundamentals, the two finger no thumb grip will do all the work for you. I still revert to traditional grip for spares. Not ideal, but that's the only way I've found a little success in this very difficult game.

Very comprehensive and intuitive! Thank you for your love & dedication of the sport.

If your serious get a 10 pound medicine ball and practice at home just getting your wrist stronger. Just something I do but if I keep the ball tight around my belly I get more speed and for me accuracy

No thumb, One handed bowler here. After watching this, I've yet to find anyone to help me grow with my approach, as I'm in fact NOT a cradle bowler. Played basketball as an over 6 footer for years, and the few times i bowled, prior to me getting heavily involved at my alley, Ive never used grips, as I put my entire 2 fingers into ball and grip it like a basket ball with other three fingers. Hoping to find someone with similar style whom I could learn from

I personally like to use a heavier ball for my spares. I use a 12-14 for a first go and, for spares depending on whats up there i will go up a pound or two on weight. I find it easier to control when its heavier as a two finger bowler

Thanks! This helped my game

If my fingers fit... That's the right ball for me.

Where can I get a no thumb bowling glove?!?! That thumb grip would give so much me more control on my back swing!!!

I agree iam thinking about trying no thumb to keep up with the two handers iam older bowler I think much easier no thumb then two hand to make the switch at my age

What brand do you find that caters to 2 finger bowlers or are all brands about the same.

I’m one of those who does a balancing act, thanks

My fingers hurt when I do this, maybe I'm gripping it wrong, any tips on the fingers?

I bowl no thumb but after 2 games my left hip hurts so bad. I'm 37 so understandable but it hurts so bad I have to stop and it's hard to get better when I cant do more than 2 games every few days.

Been bowling 1 Hand no thumb for the last 17 years. Average 210. Couple 300s. Don't know how I started bowling that way but it's worked for me quite well.

How slow counts as turtle?

This is more or less my style and I am glad to know that there is nothing wrong with my spine tilt. Such a fun game!

Good vid bro. couldn't agree more with you.

32:00 If I had my way I'd put mental game at 75% tho. That is everything in this sport. But yeah physical fitness and practicing with a purpose is also incredibly important. I've been doing presentations like this on my channel too.

Damn did this open up some eyes. I enjoyed going down to 14lbs a few years ago, I might go down even lighter now. Gotta love how regular bowlers like us give way better information on this stuff than anyone who's "certified."

I’ve been bowling no fingers at all I just put the very tips of my fingers where the holes are and palm it. they’re too small anyway . Been bowling 140-150s just started like a month ago. Never bowled before. Me and my buddy’s joined a league for fun, starts tomorrow! But my approach is similar to this minus the two fingers in the ball.

You still no thumbin? Nice series you did on it. Thanks for taking the time.

This is a great video, i am a 155 40 year old and using a 14 lbs 12.5 mph and considering going down to a 13 or even 12 to pick up ball speed and consistency over three games.

I appreciate you documenting your journey and sharing it with us. I took your advice as I see we bowl just alike. Thank you !

What about getting my right foot to go behind me?. I cant seem to get that. I tend to drag my toe forward but lead at end with left hip. Hard to explain. I was a fast pitch softball slingshot pitcher and cant get that out of me. Lol. 🫣 i think that is my biggest problem and if i could get a more natural all over body relaxed body i would do so much better. Seems i thibk im pulling up not staying down as well. When i release thw ball i notice my leg slightly behind me and on toe and tense buttockseverything in pulled tight. 😂

Great video. Love the content.

I love your vidoes😊 what ball should i buy

are you holding onto the ball with your left hand as you make your approach? a front view would be good

this is such an amazing channel, thankyou for all the content so far!

House balls _will_ hook, just not on their own and not as much.

I've found that no-thumb actually puts less stress on my arm and muscles because it eliminates the pendulum swing.

This reminds me somewhat of my own path. 30 years ago I bowled league with a 15 pound ball. I was 18 at the time. Since then I've only bowled on rare occasions. Outings with the kids, birthday parties etc. I stopped taking it seriously a long long time ago. Couple weeks ago on another one of these outings with the kids, I was really getting miffed that I couldn't seem to bowl well anymore. I wasn't spectacular when I was younger, but I had a 180 average which was OK I guess. When I went out to bowl the other day I couldn't break 150. The 15 pound ball seemed harder to manage, and it only made matters worse that I was stuck using house balls. I was so miffed that I did so poorly, that I went back the next day to try to see if I could bring my scores up. I think I bowled nine strings. Somewhere around the fifth string I was getting tired so I decided to go with a lighter ball. I actually picked up a 10 pound house ball, and decided to try two finger so I could get some reasonable hook out of it. Suddenly I started banging strikes. My next few strings was a 168, a 177, a 180, and a 190. At one point I had seven strikes in a row. She was hooking into the pocket amazingly well, and I felt like I was really onto something, and at the same time, I suddenly had an intensely reinvigorated interest in bowling again. Only this time, I am not going to try to get into a league using nothing but house balls. I ordered my own balls, 12 pounders, and I'm going to continue to explore the two finger method. I had never used it before, but it seemed to be very consistent for me. I probably would get laughed at using a 10 pound ball, but I have a feeling the 12 will be just right. It's light enough that I can fire it like a rocket, get some good revs, but it's also heavy enough to carry some energy through the pins. Who cares what other people say. I bet anything I will be able to bring my average up over 200 in just a few months after having not bowled for more than half my life. If it works, it works.

Interesting info. Im pretty new to bowling, 1 hand no thumb feels the most consistent and comfortable for me. Got my first ball, bought a used ball to learn the game - got the pro shop to plug the thumb and had the 2 fingers regripped how i thought would be good for me. Now after about a month i think similar to what youve mentioned that id prefer more than just finger tips in the ball, i may just pull the grips out and use the 2 fingers conventional for now until i can find a grip strategy to get down to 1.5 or second knuckle. I wonder if a more circular grip will hit the market like what you made with the tape.

Thank you for this video. I took the grips out of my ball and go down to the second nuckle joint in my fingers now. I had a problem with the ball slipping out of my had 1/4 of the time and now I have more control. I usually on get over 230 about once a month. When I changed to second nuckle I have 5 in first week of the change over. 13:13

Thank you Saul

Mike Miller was in great physical shape to throw it like that though, not like the ordinary Joe Slob at league in smalltown somewhere. Lifted weights, ran etc.

Hey Saul, great video! Was wondering if I were only able to get balls from the storm family(due to discount) is the different core 12lbs hyroad a good ball to get? Debating that with a 14lbs hustle(mm or rip?). Would say my speed is still quite slow now. Currently throwing a 14lbs old ebonite gyro someone left in the lanes with a thumb hole. I would say I can throw it but I feel that having a lighter ball could help with speed, since I end up missing the pocket(headpin/brooklyn) once I’m tired. Thanks in advance!

Hey thanks for the video. I am a no thumb bowler too. Hard to stay consistent. I see you bowl at maple lanes. I live in Florida. We should bowl together

I use 16lb balls, one hand no thumb. But I also have 350+ rev rate, and throw the ball 17mph on average and Im pretty big guy. I feel like a dinosaur at the pro shop asking for a 16 most time they have to put on order.