Very interesting talk. I need to ask for your help. 2 years ago I had a false encounter with the lower guardian of the threshold and I have been severely ill and dysfunctional ever since. I have tried multiple therapies and nothing has helped. I am not myself at all. From what I have read this is a very serious state and difficult to get out of. can you give me any help or guidance as to hiw to heal from all of this?

Very interesting talk. I need to ask for your help. 2 years ago I had a false encounter with the lower guardian of the threshold and I have been severely ill and dysfunctional ever since. I have tried multiple therapies and nothing has helped. I am not myself at all. From what I have read this is a very serious state and difficult to get out of. can you give me any help or guidance as to hiw to heal from all of this?

00:09 Discussion on Goethe's worldview and its relevance to spiritual science. 03:09 Renewed engagement with Goethe's work highlights existential relevance to contemporary questions. 09:07 Exploring the utility of Goethean science in ethical decision-making. 11:57 Exploring the differences between Giran and spiritual science. 17:52 Goethe emphasized epistemology as central to bridging spiritual and scientific understanding. 20:15 Goethe's approach to knowledge emphasizes experiential understanding over occult results. 25:44 Goethe's science intertwines imagination with understanding consciousness. 28:03 Goethe critiques contemporary philosophy's detachment from reality. 32:50 Human creativity is essential for genuine artistic and philosophical expression. 35:19 The need for holistic understanding in science versus fragmented perspectives. 40:52 Goethe's method emphasizes understanding perceptions beyond initial assumptions. 43:25 High pressure explained through atomic behavior vs. human experience of pressure. 48:48 Phenomenology emphasizes seeing through thinking to enhance perception. 51:11 Goethe's approach emphasizes the connection between spirit and nature's essence. 56:13 Developing consciousness leads to imagination and intuition in education. 58:51 Goethe emphasizes losing oneself to understand the essence of observation. 1:04:11 Exploring insights as connections with non-human beings. 1:06:41 Explores human relationships as a grounding for understanding the world. 1:11:45 Understanding knowledge through artistic expression and embodied experience. 1:14:12 Different trees reveal unique perspectives through experiential observation. 1:19:17 Understanding knowledge limitations across different scientific realms is crucial. 1:21:59 Goethe critiques traditional scientific views of the sun's nature. 1:26:44 Abstracting from reality risks confusing science with flawed technology. 1:28:56 Understanding our actions requires direct observation and personal experience. 1:34:18 Understanding the relationship between consciousness and the outer world. 1:36:55 Thinking connects us intimately with the world around us. 1:41:51 Discussion on recording challenges during video production. Crafted by Merlin AI.

Gurdjieff for the win.

I love that you are tackling this gentlemen. My experience in questioning nature is that the door opens more widely for me if I prefix the question with "I wonder" why, not just "why". The word "wonder" is what is missing in science today.

Thanks! I agree with the relevance of GA02! It's so beautiful how one of the main themes in anthroposophy, the play between spirit and matter, is laid out here already as a raw juwel, in terms of thinking (spirit) and experiencing (matter). I can also recommend reading the notes Steiner made on this book in 1924, in the last year of his life, commenting on this first book he wrote 38 years earlier (when he was 25). From the first comment on chapter 1: "And if a plant root is unthinkable without the fulfillment of its potential in the fruit, so by no means only man but the world itself would not be complete unless knowing activity took place. In his activity of knowing man does not do something for himself alone; rather he works along with the world in the revelation of real existence. What is in man is ideal semblance; what is in the world of perception is sense semblance; the inter-working of the two in knowing activity first constitutes reality." About the difference between Goethean Science and Spiritual Science, that you discussed, he says in the third note: "Therefore, what is said in this book about the nature of knowledge is valid also for the activity of knowing the spiritual worlds, to which my later books refer. The sense world, in its manifestation to human contemplation, is not reality. It attains its reality when connected with what reveals itself about the sense world in man when he thinks. Thoughts belong to the reality of what the senses behold; but the thought-element within sense existence does not bring itself to manifestation outside in sense existence but rather inside of man. Yet thought and sense perception are one existence. Inasmuch as the human being enters the world and views it with his senses, he excludes thought from reality; but thought then just appears in another place: inside the soul. The separation of perception and thought is of absolutely no significance for the objective world; this separation occurs only because man places himself into the midst of existence. Through this there arises for him the illusion that thought and sense perception are a duality. It is no different for spiritual contemplation. When this arises-through soul processes that I have described in my later book Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and its Attainment-it again constitutes only one side of spiritual existence; the corresponding thoughts of the spirit constitute the other side. A difference arises only insofar as sense perception completes itself, attains reality, through thoughts upward, in a certain way, to where the spiritual begins, whereas spiritual contemplation is experienced in its true being from this beginning point downward. " In my own words, there is no difference, only in Goethean science the studied objects are from the physical world, and in spiritual science from the world of spirits. In GA06, 'Goethe's Conception of the World', Steiner describes how Goethe never really managed to have his own thoughts as objects of observation. Before we can apply Goethean science to these spiritual objects, we first need to learn to see them..

@18:10 Excellent question Jeff! Why did he explicate .... make explicit.? at the same time it is a question that doesn't surprise me becaue you are great at posing questions that encourage us to dig deeper.

We Kantian children need to grow up a little more and start looking into that thing in itself and say Emanuel have you thought of Goethe's process.

I have been waiting for the return of Jeff. What a great day!

“If one day you should partake in the Mysteries, you will feel ashamed of having been born as a man”. I picked up on two different forms of duality in this line. The first duality being man vs spirit or flesh vs spirit. The second being man vs female. Especially considering the whole birthing of the Divine through us. We can rationalize and come to a form of awareness of the Divine. But unless we go through the process and labour of the Divine growing, nurtured and becoming within us we will not be fully attached to the Divine like a mother would be.

@1:30:00 This seven life process engagement is something that was just burgeoning as an intuition/image for me at this moment. As relates to the modeling etc... I have since worked carefully with Herbert Witzenmann's work and understand this to be truer than I could have imagined. Part of what it is to be human is also to speciate as individuals. Evolution is an incarnative process for us. This is why the conceptual life can be so powerful because when practiced such that conception is truly the creative act the word suggests, we are not just developing a body of enriching ideas but we are alive in our bodily processes as souls that are perceiving/thinking through them. We are originating our ideas out of the deep wisdom of the life processes inherent to nature. In fact I what I am coming to is that we are contributing to the immanence of nature itself and participants in evolution as a whole. We are personalizing nature and universalizing our personalities.

Great conversations. Really appreciate your longing to share with the world. Science is unravelling and will be forced to face its own deconstruction. The formula of killing the Spirit, numbing the Soul and its capacity to think, in order to profit from the body is coming to an end.

One thought to add to the 8:04 reading. The consuming fire melts away our sensual cognition to allow contemplation of the eternal is beautifully phrased. Instead of melt i would use kindle. A fire itself is becoming and has different stages. Jesus said to be wise like a serpent and simple as a child. The child is the beginning of the fire. The kindle necessary for the roaring consuming fire. In becoming is there not always a new fire we must start when the old fire has burned up the material used to form it? I get we are transcending the material during this evolution, but metaphorically is there not always going to be some form of new material we are burning in these higher realms? And if so, does it require us never to lose site of the beginning. The kindle that starts it all. The inner child and primordial soul of humanity.

Wonder and Reverence, Yes! <3 <3 <3

Fascinating-looking forward to her talk!

Fantastic!

We first encounter the infinity symbol in the Magician card, here we see the Magician with his arms outstretched pointing the heavens and the earth - the Spiritual and physical worlds. The number 8 always appears as that eternal symbol.

I read Are's book "Encounters with Vidar" and find his experiences very fascinating and looking forward to what he has to say about this color technology. Thanks Angus for your dedication and work you put into life's path.

Another example of exciting work being done by many spiritual pioneers out there, and gradually coming into the public sphere at this time, as the dissolution of the previous yuga continues and its residues fade away... Nazarov's comments on homeopathic resonance effect also reminds one of as aspect of the work the late Luc Montagnier was involved with, in which an energetic resonance remained in water after the complete removal of the original substance from which it was derived. He was attempting to prove the validity of homeopathy in a more "concrete" way to the skeptical scientific minds who kept dismissing homeopathy. Thanks for this peek into Nazarov's efforts!

Thank you, I love Mystech.

Thank you for sharing the discussion with us.🙏. More you guys talk, more i get familiar with Steiner and others teaching about 'life between lives'... less i care on what happens 'there' and about immortality. Less i care about life between lives and immortality... more i care about current moment and current awareness.

Reincarnation is a moment by moment remembering where and who you really are..as a collective individual which means to be undivided one experiential idenity..without the conceptual filter that is a blinding self. Good discussion guys..about time the misunderstanding of karma and reincarnation be corrected in practical terms by BOTH Christians a pre Lotus Sutra Buddhist teachings.

I believe that this final chapter of John hints of reincarnation. John 21:20-24 from Douay-Rheims Bible " 20 Peter turning about, saw that disciple whom Jesus loved following, who also leaned on his breast at supper, and said: Lord, who is he that shall betray thee? 21 Him therefore when Peter had seen, he saith to Jesus: Lord, and what shall this man do? 22 Jesus saith to him: So I will have him to remain till I come, what is it to thee? follow thou me. 23 This saying therefore went abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die. And Jesus did not say to him: He should not die; but, So I will have him to remain till I come, what is it to thee? 24 This is that disciple who giveth testimony of these things, and hath written these things; and we know that his testimony is true." The disciple whom Jesus loved testifies that Jesus did not say "he should not die" but there is only one other conclusion I can conclude is that John will reincarnate or to remain till I come. If you look at ménein (μένειν) to remain it also has these definitions; A primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy) -- abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), X thine own. So I will have him to remain(be present) till I come. You can only be present when you come again or till I come is either never die or reincarnate at the time till you come. It doesn't completely bring proof but it seems that the Gospel of John was written for humanity at many levels of consciousness and spiritual evolution.

Starting out with having a dream is not the common route, yet I'm compelled. In a dreambook one time, I woke up to writing the word Cardia. Then all other words pertaining to the heart. Carnation, incarnation A flower. A being

Great discussion. Sets the stage for infilling so many details on the work needed with the senses.... Jude's discussion of sensing the soul aspects of the symbol, dropping the image, intensifying the feeling aspect only and letting it go into empty, non thinking, devotional awareness are precisely the steps leading to the moment before living thinking.... when the entity or part of reality speaks back as image, meaning or meeting being. Demystifying the steps and efforts needed and discussing openly in an organized way so that people can put into practice in everyday life is a great use of this channel.

God is not space time. The simple statement is that God is Reality, the Great Being of Reality.

Around the 54 min mark you spoke about Are Thoresen, Angus. I did go to a workshop here in Melbourne where he talked about the closing of the previous path. This made sense to me because sending these energies "back to the Light" seemed like playing a game of hot potato with the Cosmos. It's our responsibility now. We are well into an Earth initiation and it's our participation that's required. The choice is to participate consciously, or not.

How did I miss this episode? Thought about this lately as well. It seems to me that religion is an endless debate on Faith vs. Works, and similarly an endless debate on Knowledge vs. Faith in science. In the MIDDLE, is Anthroposophy with Knowledge AND Faith AND Works 😁. Head, Heart and Hands.

Wonderful series. You chaps really make Steiner accessible, great work ❤

As to the message of the gospels @jeffbarney3584 , i think what is important is that Christ is the way to god. And christ was incarnate, the Christ in Thou, my neighbour, is the way to God. The experience of myself as a Thou (idea taken from Schickler) is a tiny and eternal moment of theophany. I had an experience of this at church yesterday during the peace. The divine was undoubtedly working in a way I could observe, a tiny moment. Because the kingdom of heaven is now, and now, and now, and now, thats the message of the gospels i think. No more prophets, just now.

I enjoyed this conversation very much, thanks for a nice conclusion. I really appreciated toward the end especially, wondering to what extent the crucible of suffering is a calling or an excuse for history. I honestly dont know. Something to think about for me.

I have come to understand through Steiner that the Earth's mission is to bring love to consciousness and it's the quadrivium hiding in the trivium. I think another aspect of love is suffering and to me Christianity is the path of understanding this mystery of suffering. I still participate in the mass for it's mysteries and bringing dialogue to those who may have the doubts and fears to those who have the same reservations of Augustine and try and convey the grace that was bestowed to me in my understanding more of that direct relationship you can have with the spirit and Christ. It's more like being like Christ to wash the feet and repent which in one of it's meanings is to have a change of mind. I do believe that we are nudged forward on our evolutionary path through inspiration imagination and our moral intuition. When we miss the mark and don't reach our intended goals we are adjusted on our route by suffering. I do believe there is spiritual boundaries set for us and like the idea of Kairos, I believe Steiner brought up that The Knights Templars tried to bring in a spiritual impulse to early for it's time and that they had to suffer the fate of their destruction. Once I surrendered to the idea of that suffering will always be a part of our spiritual paths, then I can deeply be mindful of our suffering lies solely on each individual collectively and my part is to help others understand with me and to bring this about one has to suffer from those who don't understand.

A major difference between Origen and Augustine is that as a through line for the mysteries shot through with the Christ event Karma and Reincarnation among other realities gives us the fluidity within history as curative and redemptive process. This, in the West has culminated so far, in Rudolf Steiner's descriptions of life between death and rebirth as salvific or curative even. in the evolution of consciousness. Augustine's legacy is obvious as the view modernity took as relates to history as a linear procession with only transcendental "plan" (God or Natural Selection take your pick) and with a metaphysical realism of the "thing in itself".

To be clear what I was stumbling about to say from a time line perspective Augustine was the main player that lead to the suppression pf Origen in the West and finally his designation as Heretic. From the theoligian B. F. Westcott "Few contrasts can be more striking than that offered by the two philosophies of Christianity of Origen and Augustine … In Origen history is charged with moral lessons of permanent meaning and there is carried forward from age to age an education of the world for eternity. In Augustine history is a mere succession of external events … For Origen life has a moral significance of incalculable value: for Augustine life is a mere show, in which actors fulfil the parts irrevocably assigned to them. The Alexandrian cannot rest without looking forward to a final unity … the African acquiesces in an abiding dualism in the future … not less oppressive to the moral sense than the absolute dualism of Mani." and from Adolf Harnack: "Along with the Church he served, he has moved through the centuries. We find him in the great medieval theologians, including the greatest, Thomas Aquinas. His spirit sways the pietists and mystics of those ages: St Bernard no less than Thomas à Kempis. It is he that inspires the ecclesiastical reformers-those of the Karling epoch as much as a Wyclif, a Hus, a Wesel and a Wessel: while, on the other hand, it is the same man that gives to the ambitious Popes the ideal of a theocratic state to be realised on earth" And after our conversation I read from an excellent article by Paul Axton the following (it is as if this modern man came from the future): "Augustine is not simply the first modern man but he lays the foundations of what will become modernity and its hosts of dualisms.[4] He bequeaths to the West the peculiar philosophy of mind and language taken up by Rene Descartes (the split between mind and body) and the apologetic argument and theological rationalism developed by Anselm, and he poses the theological doctrines of original sin and predestination which reach their final trajectory in John Calvin (the split between the wrath and love of God). We can credit Augustine with the full theological embrace of Greek philosophical thought, for the sense of the individual, and the notion of God’s sovereignty that contrasts with that individualism (the contradiction between human freedom and cosmic determinism). The failures inherent to his thought seem obvious in the postmodern aftermath in which his system has played itself out."

In the pre-talk Jeff mentioned the following: According to a statement by Madlen Hauser, Friedrich Rittelmeyer had an inner experience during a lecture by Rudolf Steiner in Berlin on 3 April 1917 (Lit.:GA 175, p. 182ff), which revealed to him a karmic connection between Judas Iscariot and Augustine and Leonardo da Vinci. Rudolf Steiner had confirmed the accuracy of this experience to him.[1] en.anthro.wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo This idea, which didn't make it into the conversation, seems even more relevant given the direction the conversation took with regards to Augustine being a thoroughly modern man.

Superb!

Almost every problem facing humanity is the by-product of mans disconnecting from nature The sounds, the sun, the air, the fragrances, stars, the moon everything in nature that are essential for maintaining a sharp crystal clear being. That's why the so called advanced modern man makes a big deal when he sees the sun set or rise or an eclipse or the night stars, why because man feel born again renewed, enlightened simply by gazing at the sun rise

Because religion or Christianity or God or savior or prophet or scriptures are all the invention of thought seeking to be accepted as reality or fact Which is why all of it must be accepted with eyes closed by faith, while facts like the sun, the earth, nature do not require belief or faith and everything that has actually benefited humanity is the by-product of the facts, principles of nature

In response to something said around 25 min in : I don't understand the Trinity. I'm a Christian, but the Trinity just seems like an imposition of limitations on God. It seems like other people's objection is that God is just One or "oneness" ; but the way i see it, an omnipotent being can be One or Three or a Billion or 2^274 or anything, and never lose a bit of it's omnipotence. Infinity doesn't stretch out and become thinner as it stretches - its infinity thick and infinitely wide. I do enjoy the mental exercise of the Pythagorean or Taoist reasoning of Three being the complete object, but it's just a human game and it exists within the framework of logic created by an infinite being, who exists beyond and prior to logic. So... Thats why i don't get the Trinity.

would be nice to have 'god' defined first.

Guys, guys, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Rare to come across so much coherence.

The word "god" should be replaced with the word "energy". No caps.

from the essay: It is hard to know what to say when history is unfolding in real time. Events are pressing in upon us - welcome to the unbearable intimacy of planetary catastrophe. I have never been through a civilisation-wide transformation before, and neither have you; we are in uncharted waters together. There is a war taking place in heaven concerning the soul of humanity, and it will be fought in each person’s heart, every day, without rest, and into the foreseeable future. I have no choice but to sound metaphysical and religious, because this is where the psyche goes when it enters the liminal. We are being shaped by vast and complex forces into becoming new kinds of people. For centuries we have known this war in heaven was playing out. The story was that God had stepped back to let the archetypal energies of humanity reign alone. Usually the order of the world keeps the heavens in their place, as the deeper realities of life are put into the background by the normalcy of routine. But when the world-order fractures and stands poised for major transformation, angels and demons are set to play in a time between worlds, and the match will soon be decided. Every choice takes sides. Everyone is at war with an “invisible enemy” who eats at the root of the self. This war is about the future of human nature. We are being shaped by vast and complex forces into becoming new kinds of people. We are in a situation to choose between profoundly differing images of ourselves-as gods of generosity, knowledge, and care, or as devils of greed, ignorance, and spite. The war in heaven rages in the silence of quarantine. Alone together, with imaginations tortured by uncertainty, we must remake ourselves as spiritual, scientific, and ethical beings.

Even though the Catholic church is evil, it still gave everyone a basic concept of right and wrong. Good people outnumber the rest so trust the process.

With all respect Francis Collins is NOT on the same side of history as these wonderful gentlemen your discussing here. These men have been a blessing to humanity and Collins has been a curse

I am not here to take away your beliefs, I am here to fulfil them. Not only Christians but many other faiths have been misconceived by those they love and trust. It is very difficult to explain why the ministry of Jesus is not entirely what is portrayed to the masses, but it is Fully explained in this free KZbin audio book called - Riddle of the sages the book of answers - kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYXZmGuonthgo7ssi=QgeAiP-zWrJqoTsA

"God" is a word that identifies what has no identity.

Surely in all of ROP the most leading and revealing sentences are in the last chapter on page 452 of the 2009 Steiner books edition. These are : "The soul is to experience itself knowingly in an element without carrying its consciousness into that element." And "The means to penetrate deeper into the soul can be found if one directs one's attention to something that is, to be sure, also at work in the ordinary consciousness, but does not enter it while it is active." This means that the background of awareness that knows-by-being IS the light of knowing emanating from the HSelf. Cultivating that relationship by experiencing it, by stopping thoughts, but living in its pure activity, leads you toward your HS, your guardian of the threshold to the spiritual world. The H Self of each of us is the guru/teacher of the modern age. The foundation of that in you as an individual is hiding in plain site.

Thank you both for a delightful conversation and will blame Jeff on this one but he turned me onto Jordan Hall and right before I watched this video I watched a conversation with Jordan Hall with Guy Sengstock called "Faith in & as relation / Jordan Hall" and the gist of the conversation is about redefining the word faith and around the and at the 22:22 mark Jordan says "there's something diagnostical there well just just that sense of that sense of relaxing into something finding yourself participating at this this deep phenomenological layer approaching reality as this not that you can see through it it's actually kind of invisible in some sense but it's reachable and then that reaching discloses more and that disclosure you're already inside of right in some sense so it's it's this kind of bottom up top down Sweet Spot in a way um but kind of a sense of like it see it seems like as as the invisible right but most intimate reality that's disclosing itself right as it discloses itself it also discloses you in some sense." He is bringing a new perspective that faith is more of a relational terms with God and that in the timing of your self awareness or the particular iteration of oneself at that moment of time can only grasp what is God and you have faith that you will come into a better understanding over time. I found that perspective to give new meaning to blind faith because we are blind to the reality now but with a relationship we can build our understanding and see the invisible. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHmnqHyBl7JmhJo

Here is a conversation Zak has with Jonathan Rowson about a war in heaven kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYrTamqZmsiLldk