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@@Dieselguy1922 thanks!

@@SupernovaSpence if you fly long enough, it will happen.

@@trentwhitney8346 70 hours let alone 30 hours just doesn’t seem like long enough 😅

@@SupernovaSpence true, but the engine decides when. Sad but true.

@@idahoppgfilms thanks! It was a long tough road!

Awesome! Thanks for sharing! I haven't seen the Bailey yet.

I love the sound of the Quattro!

@@JustMeZero988 yes! They are a blast. That’s awesome!

Thanks! Yes, as I have learned, always have an out.

I agree 100%! Thanks for the wise comments!

Thanks so much! Fly safe!

Thanks! All good!

Perhaps, but asking 3 to 5 horsepower out of a 4-stroke push mower is not exactly the same as asking 27 to 33 horsepower out of an engine that is nearly the same size.

It is kind of funny. My base is paragliding, so engine outs and forced landings are not something that concern me all that much.

First two were worn carburetor membranes. Don't use ethanol if you can avoid it. The third was a bad design by EOS. That resistor has since been removed from all of their new engines now, so its no longer a problem. They were using an off-the-shelf harness that had other engine applications. The starter on the Factory R just blew up and damaged the prop. I suspect the damaged high needle was a result of flying debris, but did not reveal itself until a few flights later. The Polini was bad install of the throttle and the lead in the connector was "hammering" the needle and eventually weakened the clip until it fell off. I now have the correct throttle cable end, so there shouldn't be any more issues. Engine outs and forced landings will happen. Just be prepared to "paraglide" and fly in areas where you don't mind landing. My first Moster 185 went 144 hours before I sold it. Just the two engine outs on the first part of the video.

@@trentwhitney8346 Thanks mate, really appreciate the insight! I use to only run ethanol free fuel for the first 50hrs when I was in the US, but now I’m forced to use 95unleaded as it’s harder to find ethanol free in South Africa. Ever since switching I’ve had start up issues and have had to fiddle my carburetor. She hasn’t died mid flight but getting her to idle and not choke out when cold starting is becoming a pain. Suppose it’s time to rebuild the carb?

@@Daniel-bv8hr no problem! Yeah, maybe the membranes are weak.

@@Daniel-bv8hr it wouldn’t hurt bro. Always nice to have fresh membranes.

Thanks! LOL- I currently have three. Two foot launch and one trike.

@@dkumpula001 yes! Thanks for sharing. It’s good for others to see how many people have had something like this.

Sometimes its very cold and other times an inversion makes it warmer.

You bet! I actually did a follow-up video and the Polini did outperform the Factory R. Awesome motor!

Thanks I appreciate it! They definitely all have their own issues. Sounds like the Nitro has been great motor!

No because it falls under the ultralight category of aircraft under FAR Part 103. However, I have only flown with people that have had actual training. I do know there are some people that are self taught, but I personally don't know anyone that hasn't had formal training.

@@FanOfTheSky thanks and yes! I plan to be there!

I learned to Paraglide first. At the conclusion of my paragliding training I transitioned to the Paramotor with the intent of the training to learn both. To me an engine out is just a paraglider, but I understand this sport is not for everyone. You will need to do your own soul searching to decide if this sport is worth it for you or not. One thing I will say... You're either all in and commit to this sport and fly often, or don't do it! Safe travels!

@@trentwhitney8346 I fly fixed-wing and it was incredible to see how well you handled these situations; apparently learning your craft as a glider first helps when it suddenly becomes one! Probably didn't feel strange to you at the time but seeing you on the phone while within 500ft of a forced landing was absolutely mind-blowing from my perspective!

@@waffle_nom thanks! lol - yeah here’s my logic. I’m not on the radio, so I can’t talk to anyone for help. I have cell service off the ground up several thousand feet. In fact almost always. But on the ground I may have no service. Being on the phone, if you have time, is good because I can say exactly where I’m at, organize help, and the person on the phone will actually know if I’m hurt. There’s actually someone on the phone with me on most of those if I had time. The Polini forced landing I was talking to my dad’s answering machine and just stayed on the recording until I landed.

@@matthewholmes8638 I totally agree! My first two engine outs were from a lack of maintenance. The manual says to rebuild the carburetor at 100 hours, but it should be much sooner if you run ethanol in your gas. I believe it weakened the diagrams in the carburetor. I now run 100LL. The other was attributed to the manufacturer. The forced landings were unforeseeable.

@@trentwhitney8346 How long have you been running 100LL? Have you seen any issue with plug fouling or any other issues from the Lead?

@@dconroy08 No, the 100LL has been awesome! I've been running it for about three years.

@@trentwhitney8346 I went 6 years on 100LL on a Polini with no carb rebuild. Only issue is the coil died, twice and the decomp port got clogged.

@@Kent-pb2jl That's awesome! I love the appeal of the float bowl carburetor! Put good fuel in it, fly it often, and a carb rebuild is not likely soon.

@@glen3257 no problem Glen! Congratulations on your fight to beat cancer! You’re welcome to email me at [email protected]

Hey congrats Glen. Hopefully you don't have to go thru beating it again. I hope you reward yourself and take the hobby up. I went to training for 13 days, learned kiting, maps, etc then on day 14 some of us were cleared to take our first flight. I remember getting the wing up on a reverse launch at the beach. 7-9mph. I was kinda scared and then remembered what my instructors told me and turned and ran and all the sudden it was like I was a Bald Eagle rising and rising over the Gulf of Mexico and didn't want to come down. I hope you get to experience that. It's one of the most freeing things I've done, especially with a stressful job, I was able to finally do something alone and relax once airborne and cruising. Good luck to you Glen and I hope you get to do this. Oh, and I wouldn't watch any Tucker Gott videos. He is a fame chaser. Dude makes videos landing at McDonald's which is dangerous because of the car traffic taking their eyes off the road. He did one where he called an ice cream parlor and asked if he can order and come land and again dangerous for the civilians driving and getting distracted. He doesn't care about the sport and all of my instructors told us DO NOT FLY LIKE TUCKER GOTT. Been to some fly ins and I hear the same thing from dozens of others. I unsubscribed from him. He is careless and a cloutchaser. Sorry for that rant.

@@ChrisJewell7333 if it has been an eprop it would have exploded lol. I definitely fly low a lot, but generally places I can land immediately. I was pretty close to terrain on the Polini, but the mountains had some steep slope, so no worries. I’ve been incredibly lucky so far. I sincerely enjoy the trike. It’s awesome on zero wind days! Launches are tougher than foot launch, but landings are super smooth and very easy! I primarily started flying trikes to become a tandem introductory instructor. The trailer is no problem. I set it up for easy in and out.

@@trentwhitney8346 you make a few good points on the trike, there’s been many flights I’ve not chanced because of no wind days.

@@ChrisJewell7333 It definitely makes life easier on those days! Good luck!

@@graydonmyhre7278 thanks much!

@@NathanMellor lol- no, but it took me a long time to carefully pluck it out. It was dark when I was hiking out. I landed close to the freeway, but it was a lava flow so I had to stay on the dirt road to hike out - lol

@@AndrewGlobus I agree! Thanks!

@andrewglobus main reason is production volume. Total paramotor engine sales globally in 2023 across all manufacturers is estimated at less than 3,000 units. It’s tough to justify the initial investment to sell so very few units. For example Vittorazi had planned on selling only 150 MosterEFI units globally for 2024. Having seen first hand the personnel and facilities/equipment Vittorazi has invested in the MosterEFI project over the last 5 years I would be willing to bet they are well into the millions of dollars. This is why EFI is only now coming into the paramotor world. It’s like anything in paramotors, development is very sluggish because it is such a niche market, a manufacturer really has to be careful about investing time and capital in something that quite literally may only sell less than 100 units worldwide

@@Ellwoodsss1 agreed!

@@Ellwoodsss1 I completely agree with you, the market is small and niche for cap manufacturers. So fuel consumption is high, reliability is low, noise is prohibitively high. Pilots are looking for places to fly away from people, so as not to cause inconvenience. Several enthusiast manufacturers have gone the route of converting 4-stroke engines from scooters world. In small scale production the factors you speak of are not so pronounced. It is also possible to borrow parts and technology from the world of two-wheeled racing. Of course, there is also the quiet and comfortable OpenPPG SP-140 for flying up to 30 miles.

@@AndrewGlobus I think many people also overlook the fact that roughly 70% of paramotor pilots are teaching themselves how to be mechanics and are turning wrenches for the first time in their lives. I’ve been flying going on 8 years now with well over a thousand hours on many many different motors and not counting running out of gas 500 feet from where I parked by truck I have yet to have an actual engine out(totally jinxing myself now) and I know a few people that have a similar experience but for most paramotor pilots this is not the norm. Pretty much the only way to make any progress in the market is to borrow from other markets, our current popular 2 strokes are scooter top ends with chainsaw carbs. The forays into 4 strokes haven’t really caught on as of yet but I have hopes for the Quattro. This is terrible for my job security but in realitythe sport needs a legit electric option with a good quality/well thought out chassis with good geometry and real world range of at LEAST an hour. This would absolutely change the sport and make it so much more inviting to new people coming in. I’m sorry to say it but the sp140 ain’t it. Not by a long shot. Maybe Sur Ron will read this;)

@@degklump1999 thanks!

Correct. I did not change anything else. I would consult with EOS regarding your elevation and density altitude.

​Flying mainly at sea level up to 1500ft. Main jet in use ( standard) is 130. But never reached 8100rpm just being at 7600max and consumption is about 3,3L/h on Dudek Hadron 3 22. My weight might be similar to yours.

@@mike413 I would gradually step it down. Fly a 128 and check your plug after a couple of flights. Then see if you need to drop again. Are you flying a 140cm prop? If yes, I'm not sure they get to 8100rpm. 7650 is the best I ever saw and typically 7300 max at my elevation.

​Flying a 130 Prop developed especially for Quattro to reach 8100-8200. Last time when I was checking Plug it was brown with direction to dark brown. My assumption was it can go leaner.

@@ChrisJewell7333 excellent! Of the three engines I like the Polini Thor 202 the best so far. It’s almost as fuel efficient as the Quattro, a little lighter than the Quattro and the most powerful of the three. Please understand I only have about 8 hours on the Polini. I flew the Quattro for around 35-40 hours, I believe, before I sold it. The Quattro was absolutely the most pleasing to fly and the most linear. I will likely get another after they work out the bugs.

@@trentwhitney8346 thanks Trent, Ive only flown the moster 185 i have 3 motors 2 complete setups and one as backup so nothing to compare with, its been a long year trying to figure out what direction to lean to 4 stroke or electric so your info and video’s are helping. Thanks

@@ChrisJewell7333 You bet! The electric is super cool, but the flight time for a big guy like me in the mountains is only approximately 20 minutes. The electric is also heavy and the same weight all the time. I prefer to take off heavy, burn fuel and land light. I'd also prefer a stout titanium frame on the electric, but I think everyone building them is only using aluminum.

@@ChrisJewell7333 Boise Paramotors is the only importer, I believe, in the U.S. I think the machine is now around 9 or 10k. It’s had a couple of price increases and I had the Gen 1 of the current motor. I think they are now on Gen 3 and the price has definitely gone up.

@@trentwhitney8346 Gen 3 how exciting ! I’ll have to look up the Gen 3 see whats new and the pricing I’ll get ahold of Boise paramotors. Side note: as a child leaved in Idaho and would go to winter festivals ice sculpture contests, riding snowmobiles in Caldwell Idaho do they still have the winter festivals?

@@ChrisJewell7333 I'm on the other side of the state in Pocatello, so I'm not sure. We have events like that here. Good luck!

@@johnstratton4519 I ended up selling the Quattro, but it climbed around 380 feet per minute. Not too far behind the Factory R.

Legacy Jubilees typically sell for 6-10K

@@trentwhitney8346 thank you. Are they not a good as the new ones for $35k/pair?

@@trentwhitney8346 Hi Trent. Thanks for your reply. I can't find much of anything online about them. Are they the same as the ones now selling for 35k/pair? Same drivers, crossover, cab design?

@@Nicmics we will soon find out how it does.

@@trentwhitney8346 Let us know!

@@Nicmics no problem! I’ll review it as I go.

Polini claims service intervals that are several times longer than the Vitos, that has some value, if true. I know the early 202 had some carb/compression issues but it sounds like those got sorted out fairly quick. Not terrible for a new liquid cooled engine.

@@EliassonAnders thanks much! Good luck!

@@petroacosaojoao8568 awesome!

Do you burn premium pump gas or high octane? I just ordered a Macfly with this engine

@@shanewyman9419 I run 100LL from my local airport, but it is not necessary. I believe most run 91 ethanol free.

Looking back at my notes, my test was sea level with 16m disco at 115kg standard moster 140cm 2.87 with 550ft/min. So your weight an test altitude is probably pretty fair.

@@SamuelTravisxsammytrav I was around 600 ft/min on a Gin Falcon 2 on a regular Moster 185 at simliar weight 1000 asl. 400-440 in the video does't seem very good at all! I was doing at least that much on a Thor 130cc!

Yes! Same 5 degree straight pitch too.

@trentwhitney8346 nice, if you want to try the standard moster spinning a 140 you can fly my MavMax. I'm curious if the Factory is really worth it, my standard moster spinning a 140 climbs great!

@@DesertMountainAdventures awesome thanks!

My 202 has a max rpm of 8500 in the manual. Maybe the older version would make 9000? Thanks for the kind comments!

Pocatello, Idaho

Agreed! I think WOT for 3-minutes is pretty hard on any machine.