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@garypalmer7540
@garypalmer7540 16 күн бұрын
Something simple your making it really complicated to much chatting.
@larrybaughman618
@larrybaughman618 Ай бұрын
🤠👍🚂🗯
@herk8762
@herk8762 5 ай бұрын
That is an impressive locomotive
@howardstrach6479
@howardstrach6479 5 ай бұрын
I can see 3803
@peggbegg
@peggbegg 6 ай бұрын
Hi mate. Iv pre ordered the new c38 class lovos from gopher models. But i need coaches like yours to go with it. Where can i get some? I imagine they are 3D printed, which is fine as i dont mind that! Cheers
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains 6 ай бұрын
Hi Paul, These passenger coaches are built from Peter Boorman's Workshop kits, they're NSW BS and FS cars, and the guards van is an MHO I believe. These are unfortunately no longer being made as Peter has retired, however there are some people 3D printing their own, usually available through the various Facebook groups relating to Australian or NSW N Scale. Currently you can purchase FO end-platform coaches RTR from Gopher Models, which were used in NSW for suburban and some inter-urban working, as well as some specials, school specials and during holiday periods when the railways needed every coach they could press into service!
@phillipg1588
@phillipg1588 6 ай бұрын
Hi Jarryd, I have read somewhere that a diode and resistor are also needed in the Stay Alive circuit. And the recommended cap voltage is 25v.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains 6 ай бұрын
Hi Phillip, yes when using a capacitor/s with considerable capacitance (uF) a diode and resistor are used as a charging circuit. I've found this is necessary when capacitance exceeds around 1000uF. When using 2 or 3x 220uF capacitors I have found that this is not necessary, however I do still use a diode in parallel with the capacitors, to prevent anything over 15V reaching the 16V capacitors. For HO scale people prefer 25V as it is safer, the disadvantage is that 25V capacitors are physically larger, which restricts their use in N scale applications. I've fitted well over 100 sound fitted N scale locomotives for customers with 3x 16V 220uF capacitors, and haven't had an issue since starting this procedure several years ago :)
@joaomartins7732
@joaomartins7732 7 ай бұрын
HOW TO RESET AN DECORER ?
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains 7 ай бұрын
Hi @joaomartins7732, To reset a decoder, it is quite likely you will need to program a particular number to CV8, a lot of decoders use CV8 = 8 as their factory reset procedure. Hold down shift and menu to get into the menu, scroll across to programming, I think it's the third menu item, and then I believe the first menu item of the programming menu is 'CV modification'. Open this up and enter '8', for CV8. It should then read the value of CV 8 once you hit ok, which will then flash on the screen, it will flash a particular NMRA manufacturer ID of the decoder. When flashing, you can change that number to something else (between 1-255) to reset the decoder, hit ok and this will be programmed. You would be best to check the brand of your decoder, and what value needs to be programmed to CV8 for a reset, or maybe even to a different CV number depending on the decoder type... Hope this helps!
@joaomartins7732
@joaomartins7732 7 ай бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains Hello , i put the locomotive in the line test and they only show lights but not run , do you know what can be ? when i try reset CV appears ERROR 2
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains 7 ай бұрын
@@joaomartins7732 I've just replied to your email
@northernutahlivesteam
@northernutahlivesteam 7 ай бұрын
Scenery looks great.
@northernutahlivesteam
@northernutahlivesteam 7 ай бұрын
fun
@elmundodepedro
@elmundodepedro 7 ай бұрын
Hermosa locomotora.👍
@elmundodepedro
@elmundodepedro 7 ай бұрын
Encantador el Allegra, lo tengo y es super. al mío le ilumine los vagones.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains 7 ай бұрын
Wow, they'd look fantastic illuminated!
@davidzimmerman3238
@davidzimmerman3238 10 ай бұрын
Hello again Jarryd. I trust you've been well down there in Australia since I last wrote. We're in the middle of a not-too-severe winter in NYC. My question relates to a conversion to DCC with sound of an old Minirix 12017 Glaskasten loco. If you're familiar with it, you know how tiny it is and almost impossible to convert to DCC much less with sound. However, some folks have done it -- even with lots of lights -- which I won't even attempt. Due to the size of the loco, I'm using a Zimo MS500R and hardwiring it in. My question relates to the stay-alive capabilities. From Zimo's website the two options are the Staco board with gold caps or a tantalum capacitor 16 volt max 1000 uF which I've purchased (Zimo mentions ELKO which I assume is a brand). The Zimo documentation mentions specifically these two as alternatives options for stay-alive. Someone who posted their project of conversion of this loco on KZbin stated that the Staco board with gold caps didn't work for him and he ultimately went with a kit from Justandersssen including motor, housing/speaker combo and a tantalum. So, my specific questions is would you see any danger in going just the tantalum route? There is no mention of using the tantalum with a Staco board and as it turns out the connections of each option to the MS500R are different. Thanks for whatever advice you can provide. I'm most grateful. Dave
@gat-x105strikegundam5
@gat-x105strikegundam5 11 ай бұрын
sounds and looks beautiful.
@arronsmith3682
@arronsmith3682 11 ай бұрын
I bought the roco set and plugged the whole lot in and worked straight away. I once took my train to the train club to try on their track, which required the use of a different branded controller. I bought another train that day and then had to put my whole set up back in the cupboard. After 6 months I have finally got it all out again. The train I purchased originally in the roco set, I csnt get to run, however the train that I purchased at the train club ran straight away. I cant seem to get the hang of the z21 controller. I have added multiple times to the library but it just won't run. Please help
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains 11 ай бұрын
Hi Arron, with the original loco, it may be worth doing a factory reset on it. If you're not sure how to do this, just try at least programming CV1, the locomotive's short address. How to do all of this is detailed in the Z21 controller manual if you're not sure... Let me know how you go!
@blakeosaurus2477
@blakeosaurus2477 Жыл бұрын
Can you please do a tutorial on how to fit the DCC decoder
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
I'd love to, however I don't have a C57 on hand currently to show how it's done, sorry!
@johndenmead2745
@johndenmead2745 Жыл бұрын
Is it true that Digikeijs has gone into backruptcy?
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi John, yes it is unfortunately true. Digikeijs products are no longer available, any left on shelves of stores is old stock, and all of the good stuff has long since sold out unfortunately! YaMoRc are who I'd recommend having a look at, Digikeijs were producing their products under license, the designer of whom has now started YaMoRc and is manufacturing very similar products of his own design under his own brand name. Hope this helps!
@cossiephil
@cossiephil Жыл бұрын
Hi Jarryd, do you know who is printing the 81 class body’s?
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi Phil, I'm not sure if anyone is currently doing it, I printed this one myself. I may have a spare body at home if you're interested
@cossiephil
@cossiephil Жыл бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains 100%, let me know what I owe you.
@williamcameron3204
@williamcameron3204 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video or just me the info if your already done it on how to program each loco to its own number in the chip and how to consist many locos
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi William, Unfortunately at the moment I just don't have enough time to do a video like that sorry! However, this is a reply I gave to @mrengineer1234 a few months ago, on how to program locomotives: "To change the dcc address, easiest thing to do is to change them to another short address (between a value of 1 and 127), changed with CV1. Hold down shift and menu to get into the menu, scroll across to programming, I think it's the third menu item, and then I believe the first menu item of the programming menu is 'CV modification'. Open this up and enter '1', for CV1. It should then read the value of CV 1 once you hit ok, which will then flash on the screen, hopefully it will flash '3'. When flashing, you can change that number to something else (between 1-127) to give the loco a new address. Once you've done this, you then need to program that particular locomotive and it's new address into the MultiMaus 'library' if you will. So that when you scroll across to that particular locomotive, the MultiMaus is addressing it's DCC address. Hope this makes sense! The manual outlines how to do this also." You can also scroll through the locomotive library with the left and right arrow keys, and if you scroll across to 'NEW', and then hit 'OK', you can type in a new locomotive name, and then a DCC address (e.g. "6") and then it will program that particular DCC address to the locomotive, provided it's on the programming track. To consist locomotives you need to program a particular number (between 1 and 127) to CV19 for any or all of the locomotives that you would like to be consisted together. This can be done with the procedure I described earlier for CV1. Hope this helps somewhat, sorry I can't do a video on it!
@RichRolph-ro7ep
@RichRolph-ro7ep Жыл бұрын
Great sound! I have the same locomotive and would love to be able to add that sound, but I’m new to DCC. How did you do it? ESU 58731 board but what speakers and where did you get the sound recording? These may be silly questions, but like I said, I’m new to DCC and could use all the help I can get. Thanks.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi Rich, I used a 15x11mm sugar cube speaker with an approx. total height of 9mm, maybe a bit higher, fits right at the back of the tender without any modification to the tender. The sound recording is from ESU, their LokSound 5 GS4 sound file 🙂
@RichRolph-ro7ep
@RichRolph-ro7ep Жыл бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains Thank you very much. Did you have to somehow acquire the recordings of the sounds? I assume they did not come with the board or speaker.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
@@RichRolph-ro7ep I downloaded the GS4 sound file from the ESU website, and using my LokProgrammer I loaded this to the 58731 decoder
@RichRolph-ro7ep
@RichRolph-ro7ep Жыл бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains Very useful information. Thank you very much.
@markpeddle238
@markpeddle238 Жыл бұрын
Have you done a video on how to program your train decoder using the multi maus?
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, sorry no I haven't, I use JMRI Decoder Pro to do all of my programming, through my Digikeijs DR5000. If you are keen to have a go though, you can program individual CV's through the programming menu. Hold the shift key and press menu, and scroll across to the second menu (programming), hit ok and then press ok again to open the 'CV modification' tool. You can then type in any CV number, e.g. '6' for CV6, press ok. It will then read CV6 and if successful will tell you what value is programmed to the decoder for that CV. Whilst it's flashing you then have the option to change this value. Hope this maybe will help you get started!
@mikaellindahl2717
@mikaellindahl2717 Жыл бұрын
Even less easy to just use MENU+1 and then CV code is read and then push train number-digit to be used and then OK, and then is saved. Couldn't be easier!!
@tonyscott5045
@tonyscott5045 Жыл бұрын
Just came across your Friday updates Jarryd - very interesting and informative. The new sound projects seem very impressive. Cheers Tony
@andrewtailby4364
@andrewtailby4364 Жыл бұрын
I see philis bucket the rail guru of nsw added your video link to its million or so facebook pages. Love the music for the video. Interesting buffer plates over the couplers to stop any roo damage
@nscaledelights
@nscaledelights Жыл бұрын
Do you have any instructions on how to install the Zimo?
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Not for this particular bullet train sorry, it is slightly complex. If you’re quite handy with a soldering iron and comfortable pulling apart intricate models like these, I can provide some tailored advice for you if you like!
@nscaledelights
@nscaledelights Жыл бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains Sure I'll take whatever advice you can offer I am pretty hand with a soldering iron.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
@@nscaledelights Can you email me at [email protected] Thanks!
@nscaledelights
@nscaledelights Жыл бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains I would appreciate any assistance that you can give me installing the proper decoder in my Shinkansen.
@dcctrain
@dcctrain Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Thanks AK! I’ve been following your channel for a while, realised I should subscribe!! Your stuff is great 👍🏻
@dcctrain
@dcctrain Жыл бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains Thanks, man, I'm going to do more videos about ZIMO product, lately I got a lot of installation with ZIMO decoders.
@einaelatnuceinaelatnuc2780
@einaelatnuceinaelatnuc2780 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Jarryd Langford. That's awesome. That's the not for sale. Price on that.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi there, Yes unfortunately not for sale, it was a one off job. Would have charged around $250 or so to do this particular job.
@mrengineer1234
@mrengineer1234 Жыл бұрын
Hey! I just bought it few days ago. I freaked out at first when watching your video for first time, but now after hands on is just easy peasy. It s just like an old phone :)) Btw, almost all new locos come with dcc address 3 by default so how can you change that in order to add multiple locos on multimaus? Because if you have more than 1, you get that Err10 just like you in the video.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Yep it is pretty intuitive once you get your hands on one! To change the dcc address, easiest thing to do is to change them to another short address (between a value of 1 and 127), changed with CV1. Hold down shift and menu to get into the menu, scroll across to programming, I think it's the third menu item, and then I believe the first menu item of the programming menu is 'CV modification'. Open this up and enter '1', for CV1. It should then read the value of CV 1 once you hit ok, which will then flash on the screen, hopefully it will flash '3'. When flashing, you can change that number to something else (between 1-127) to give the loco a new address. Once you've done this, you then need to program that particular locomotive and it's new address into the MultiMaus 'library' if you will. So that when you scroll across to that particular locomotive, the MultiMaus is addressing it's DCC address. Hope this makes sense! The manual outlines how to do this also.
@mrengineer1234
@mrengineer1234 Жыл бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains Thank you for your elaborate and quick answer!
@ngaugefouroaksstreetstatio6932
@ngaugefouroaksstreetstatio6932 Жыл бұрын
Very well explained, I'm in Perth will check out that club when next in Sydney.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes you’re definitely more than welcome to. If you’re on Facebook we have a group for our club
@cossiephil
@cossiephil Жыл бұрын
Hi Jarryd, if you were to pick a hand throttle to add to the DR5000, which one would you pick for general running trains and controlling accessories?
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi Phil, In terms of ease of use I’d go with the Roco WLAN Maus. It’s a wireless version of the MultiMaus, unfortunately didn’t have one at the time of filming this video. To use it with the DR5000 all you have to do is power up the throttle, and you’re off and away. It connects with the inbuilt WiFi in the DR5000. For me the Digitrax throttles are a little bit clunky, and require a wireless receiver module to be bought separately, which adds a lot to the cost. Using a WiThrottle device like a smart phone or tablet, or a TCS UWT requires the use of a computer to host a WiThrottle server, until Digikeijs release their firmware update, so that’s also a little clunky. I’ve got a WlanMaus in stock for $200 if you’re interested 🙂
@cossiephil
@cossiephil Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a good plan, I’ll be in touch! I was leaning toward the cable version in your vid, but the wlan version sounds even better.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
@@cossiephil rest assured the WLAN connection is strong and reliable. As good as a cable one 🙂
@KingsviewModelRailway
@KingsviewModelRailway Жыл бұрын
These guys are really helpful! NSWGR files are some of the best I have on @KingsviewModelRailway.
@clayton4115
@clayton4115 Жыл бұрын
Some people have such amazing talent to build such amazing layouts.
@johnjmc
@johnjmc Жыл бұрын
Just got one of these on the bench in front of me, JohnG @ Digitrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Oh nice! I recently fitted sound to one actually, that was something a bit different. I just wish Kato would make them more DCC friendly!! If they took an EM13 style decoder that would be great. All the best!
@johnjmc
@johnjmc Жыл бұрын
@Buckambool Model Trains yes I thought that was what I could fit in them, zimo mx605 range. Ended up using digitrax dz126t.
@Wolfie6020
@Wolfie6020 Жыл бұрын
Small world, I grew up in King Street Rockdale. I see the N-Scale club is not far from there. I might see you there one day. Nice engine by the way. .
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Only a few blocks away! You're more than welcome to have a look any Saturday, and we've also got an open day coming up on Saturday the 15th of April 9am-5pm. Thanks!
@petereames3423
@petereames3423 Жыл бұрын
thank for sharing that can you tell me the value of the cap as i am doing a n gauge set up a i find it hard to ckeep it that clean i am in s.a and looking to do my own keep alive.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, Which capacitor in particular are you referring to? If you’re wanting to build your own stay alive for N scale I’d recommend using some of the tantalum capacitors that I have available…
@SomeplaceOrAnother
@SomeplaceOrAnother Жыл бұрын
That sound was pretty cool 😎
@serasna
@serasna Жыл бұрын
I'm looking to find a 3801 like this in N gauge or a kit and don't seem to be able to find it anywhere. I'm surprised, thought it would be the most popular.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi Stephanie, There's quite a few of them out there, all built from kits, they're worth a fortune to purchase 2nd hand from modellers who've put them together! I believe there should still be kits available from BadgerBits, they trade online as 'Gopher Models', try getting in contact with them, their website is: www.gophermodels.com.au If you have any trouble getting in contact with them let me know, I can give them a call.
@clayton4115
@clayton4115 Жыл бұрын
would nice to see the 44 with a sound decoder and hear it
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Coming soon @clayton4115 !
@clayton4115
@clayton4115 Жыл бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains ohhhh looking forward to it!
@Locoman3801
@Locoman3801 Жыл бұрын
Looking good there mate , I shall have to ask Peter if there's any still available as I'd like on of those sets if possible , is the DCC unit dual mode? , if it is - I'd possibly get you to help me out with it.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Thanks! He may possibly have some left, have a check and see with Peter. The DCC sound decoder is dual mode, so will work with sound on DC as well as DCC, just on DC you won't be able to blow the horn! You can of course on DCC :) Would be more than happy to help out!
@ericcoughlan
@ericcoughlan Жыл бұрын
Two changes needed - needs to cut out once the prime mover actually starts running - don't know whether this can be programmed into the decoder. The other I doubt is possible - the smoke needs to be blacker.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Some fair points there Eric! The smoke unit was already wired direct to the track, so I left it that way for simplicity’s sake, however it could easily be improved by connecting to the sound decoder and controlled like you’ve suggested 🙂 Not sure how we could do blacker smoke, I don’t know enough about smoke for model railway applications yet!
@clayton4115
@clayton4115 Жыл бұрын
What do you think of the Economi Soundtraxx decoders Jarryd?
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
They’re a decent sound decoder for their price point, for American and UK prototypes they offer an affordable way to get sound into a large fleet of HO/OO locomotives, however lack the quality of ZIMO or ESU sound decoders, and the quality of the sound projects that can be custom loaded onto them. Not to say they’re bad, you get what you pay for, they’re a more generic less expensive option. They have different Econami sound decoders for different types of locomotives I believe, and on each there’s a range of various generic type sounds you can choose between. For Australian N Scale they’re not all that useful, they’d only perhaps be useful in an N scale American steam locomotive where there’s enough space in a tender to fit one in…
@clayton4115
@clayton4115 Жыл бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains thanks Jarryd I picked up a second hand BACHMANN N GAUGE 62351 DIESEL for the first time in my life I have a sound loco and I played around it with today, was very impressed with the sound, but that's a newbie opinion, looking forward to hearing that 81 and B class on my layout !
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
@@clayton4115 Ok yep, they’re actually quite decent for a sound fitted locomotive, that’s great!
@clayton4115
@clayton4115 Жыл бұрын
Is that an N scale DERM?
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Probably! I’ve done a fair few, either castings or 3D prints that are painted and decalled by some of my customers. They run on Tomytec mechs
@Locoman3801
@Locoman3801 Жыл бұрын
Not too bad there Jarrod , is that a Life Like SD7/9 that you've used in this video?? , I've converted one of those into a "proper version" of the "A" class & can send you a copy of the plan that I have here if you'd like me to & somewhere I have some good pics of the real full sized "A'' classes should you be interested but do let me know. Kev.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kev, all good! I didn’t put the locomotive together, just added the DCC Sound decoder to it, so all good 😀 I mainly model NSW locomotives. I believe it was an Atlas mech and body shell
@Locoman3801
@Locoman3801 Жыл бұрын
O.M.G. - your loco is on fire!!! , only shit stirring mate :) ; that looks & sounds great but I think that there's a bit too much smoke happening however I do say "Well done" to you , keep on going with it.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
It was an oddball request from a customer, I didn’t actually fit the smoke, just added the sound decoder. Definitely something different! Thanks! 😀
@clayton4115
@clayton4115 Жыл бұрын
Just got this a few days ago.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Is yours like this red multiMAUS with a wired connection? Or have you got the black wireless one?
@clayton4115
@clayton4115 Жыл бұрын
@@buckamboolmodeltrains I've got the red one like yours z21 Starter wireless with a red multimaus
@davidzimmerman3238
@davidzimmerman3238 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this. Looks and sounds great. May I ask whether this was 3d printed shell set? If so, where did you obtain it? I believe this is similar to or identical to the loco posted on your site which is painted green with gold/yellow detailing. I'm assuming this is an Australian loco? Final question: will you paint it and if so, what your process to do and make look neat and professional. I've always been challenged when detailing a loco once the main color is laid down. Thanks again for all of your postings.
@buckamboolmodeltrains
@buckamboolmodeltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi David, The locomotive body and tender are cast from masters, the masters are brass. They are available from BadgerBits, who now predominantly trade as 'Gopher Models' - here is their website: gophermodels.com.au The kit is not advertised on their website, however if you get in contact with them I believe it's still available. Yes it is an Australian locomotive, more specifically a NSW railways locomotive, the 38 class, there are other examples of these on my website yes. There were 5 built with a streamlined design, as per the loco in this video, and 25 un-streamlined. They were built in Australia and were a highly successful design. To paint kits like these many of us will airbrush the main colour on, and all of the lining and numbering is done via decals. The best finish is achieved with multiple very thin coats of gloss paint sprayed on with an airbrush, apply the decals, seal with a gloss coat and then if desired apply a flat or dull coat over the top and weathering if desired.
@Longshadowsmodeltrees
@Longshadowsmodeltrees Жыл бұрын
Smooth runner and sounds great.
@Longshadowsmodeltrees
@Longshadowsmodeltrees Жыл бұрын
Nice.
@Longshadowsmodeltrees
@Longshadowsmodeltrees Жыл бұрын
Wow!!! That should smoke you out...lol...It's a good idea.
@chriscorrigan7420
@chriscorrigan7420 Жыл бұрын
This is so good. Nostalgia in a small shell.
@chriscorrigan7420
@chriscorrigan7420 Жыл бұрын
This one is all about our rail history. Every good train set has to have a B class.
@chriscorrigan7420
@chriscorrigan7420 Жыл бұрын
Another fine example.