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@Pinballroomcville
@Pinballroomcville 2 күн бұрын
Great video! But I don’t know that Stern is taking you serious. A clean shirt would’ve been a start. 😂
@armastat
@armastat 13 күн бұрын
To solve a loud fan problem like this all you have to do is use a larger enclosure (without changing a single thing on the board inside) and mount a bigger fan to the box.
@franekcernelc3346
@franekcernelc3346 19 күн бұрын
I a fan of odiginal. 90s games must have no LEDs. They blink too harsh.
@FranekAIC
@FranekAIC Ай бұрын
Testing playfield just playing with ball and hand is enough only if you know exactly how the game plays. We all know Indiana Jones so if the first ramp switch which only scores minnor points snd makes a sound doesnt work, i will notice it immediately. If you are buying a game you just played several times or never, go to test menu. 90 pinball has nice testing functions. 80 games returns only numbers on thisplay so you need a book or just testing page of it on your phone to check all tge switsches return correct numbers. It can happen you hit a ramp but the game scores a loop. My opinion. Am I wrong?
@JeffreyNero-sk6jv
@JeffreyNero-sk6jv Ай бұрын
I like my new sterns. I’m new to the hobby. Only so many choices. They’re fine. Every mfg has its issues.
@DigitalENCOM
@DigitalENCOM Ай бұрын
I guess STERN has changed now. Their warranty is 6 months now and the circuit boards are 1 year, then they also provide an Owner's Manual and schematics for diagnosing your new pinball. Most people are like me and brand new to pinball machines and if I can fix a STERN and do maintenance on my own Pinball machine then everyone else can too.
@interestingtimes182
@interestingtimes182 3 ай бұрын
Any changes to Stern with newer machines 2024? Can you review new machines from other brands?
@interestingtimes182
@interestingtimes182 3 ай бұрын
Hope you make more videos. I see was over 3 years ago
@williamjohnson5121
@williamjohnson5121 4 ай бұрын
Thank you , could you possibly do this for older machines from the 1970's
@PaulSavage-i7b
@PaulSavage-i7b 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for keeping them honest! It's too bad knowing that many of these will be decommissioned due to too much repair will be required to keep them going. I've got a 55 year-old '69 Super Bally Ball Bowler that I play daily. It's crazy knowing that it's better to buy older machines to allow lower repair costs. Any thoughts on the quality of The Big Lebowski by Dutch Pinball?
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 5 ай бұрын
Modern Stern pinballs made since 2015 are far less durable than previously. The quality fell off a cliff! I've only seen 2 Big Lebowski pinball, they're decent BUT being a low production, boutique pinball and manufacturer, it's a concern about ongoing parts and support...how long will this company exist?
@matthewmorton7386
@matthewmorton7386 5 ай бұрын
Point taken. had to replace the spotlight in the apron of my Godzilla, no it’s not as simple as a $1 47 bulb or even a 555 it’s on its own circuit board and it’s like $10
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 5 ай бұрын
The entire lighting system was changed just to save them a few dollars in assembly time AND to create an new path to selling very high priced parts to owners.
@ryrysonic9
@ryrysonic9 5 ай бұрын
I refuse to buy newer made - new - era stern pinball machines even here in america! they are overpriced for what you get! ill stick with companies like spooky pinball who make awesome pins like the Scooby - Doo where are you pinball,,Looney tunes, Halloween etc,,
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 5 ай бұрын
Being informed before you buy is a very important part of the selection/decision process.
@rodrigodiaz1321
@rodrigodiaz1321 5 ай бұрын
I would give the tip off using an arcade if you have one nearby. Like they say, it is better to rent a boat than own one.
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 5 ай бұрын
For many people that IS a wiser choice. Especially those who live in areas with no local technical support.
@rodrigodiaz1321
@rodrigodiaz1321 5 ай бұрын
I would buy a machine for my house, but not being handy and knowing about the short warranty, I rather just go to an arcade to use the machines
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 5 ай бұрын
That's probably a better plan for alot of people. It costs alot of money just to buy one Pinball machine.
@rodrigodiaz1321
@rodrigodiaz1321 5 ай бұрын
If you are paying $7k usd or more, there should be a 3 year warranty in my opinion.
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 5 ай бұрын
Perhaps not a 3 year warranty but certainly 1 or 2 years in home use. Commercially operated Pinballs around 90 days.
@Bearcade
@Bearcade 5 ай бұрын
Great tips and well documented.
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 5 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@DriverGuy23
@DriverGuy23 6 ай бұрын
So etching you didn’t mention. If the inside of the cabinet is dirty/dusty, that’s a big indicator that the owner didn’t take care of it. I recently saw a machine that the playfield looked a bit dirty and the rubble rings were all cracked. But, the inside of the machine looked like hell. I passed on it because it needed quite a lot of reconditioning.
@MrDirkles
@MrDirkles 7 ай бұрын
I have to think twice before dropping $1 in the substandard machines. Everything about them looks and feels cheap.
@jaysunlawndiz8269
@jaysunlawndiz8269 8 ай бұрын
Wow! Our friends just bought 2 modern pins that we have been having a lot of fun playing... We are going to buy 2 machines for our place so we can go back and forth with them... Those machines were going to be a Jurassic Park Premium and a Deadpool Pro... We've already been into our dealer to discuss pricing and terms and I was just doing some final research on maintenance/durability when I came across this video... I think the lack of corrective action from Stern over the past 7 years is mind boggling... I am completely rethinking how best to spend that $20k now... Might need to pivot to the used market.
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 8 ай бұрын
That's very wise, I suggest every buyer examine the facts and think very carefully about the value for money and maintenance costs before buying a new Stern pinball.
@Lordskeep
@Lordskeep 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for your time making these video's. I'm looking to buy a few machines in the future, so this was very helpful. I Subscribed. Thanks Again!
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 8 ай бұрын
You're welcome, I'm glad they helped.
@Jack-g2h3b
@Jack-g2h3b 8 ай бұрын
Stern game's are all the same Playfield layout, if you own one game you own them all , but don't waste your money and buy a classic when they had imagination and creativity, stern don't know the meaning of these two words
@Jack-g2h3b
@Jack-g2h3b 8 ай бұрын
Stern are total junk , just a big liability, not a pinball
@biarritz59
@biarritz59 8 ай бұрын
Need to know what i should sell my old abracadabra machine.. fair condition... ty
@Mo_Ketchups
@Mo_Ketchups 8 ай бұрын
Interesting looking back at the beginning of a big downturn in quality. I just had a tech tell me he carries aftermarket power-supply fans to replace all the stock ones in new games (like Godzilla). They’re ABSURDLY loud, Gomez ADMITTED this years ago, and they STILL USE EM! 🤷‍♂️😖
@Mo_Ketchups
@Mo_Ketchups 8 ай бұрын
Say, Mark, what’re _your_ top 3-5 machines all time? Curious the more I watch ya. ✌️🤙
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 8 ай бұрын
I can't answer that in a brief way that will be useful to people as we all have different tastes plus there is a huge variety in Pinball and games from different decades can't accurately be compared BUT, I'll answer with just a few titles among a great many good games from each era as follows. From the early mid 1970's Jacks Open, Jungle Princess, Aztec Odds and Evens. Late 70's to mid 1980's. Stellar Wars, Firepower, 8 Ball Deluxe, Paragon, BMX, Solar Fire, Black Hole, Elektra. Late 1980's, High Speed, Spirit, Rocky, Space Shuttle, Lights Camera Action, Simpsons, Earthshaker. 1990's, Surf N Safari, Terminator, Lethal Weapon 3, Starship Troopers, No Fear, Star Trek Next Gen. Stern was the only manufacturer from 2000 and since that time they have never made a truly great game but they have made some pretty good ones. South Park, Simpsons Pinball Party, Spiderman, The Walking Dead, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, Kiss, Deadpool although I don't recommend buying any of the last 3 as they are Stern Spike System games.
@Mo_Ketchups
@Mo_Ketchups 8 ай бұрын
@@PinballExpert This was more than I expected, so I was grinning to read all these names. I’ve got coffee-table volumes on the history of pinball & so love listening to you break down these eras & their standouts. I enjoy your channel because you’re the furthest thing from a shill & like many others, you don’t blindly wet yourself over a new pin you bought as a shield against buyer’s remorse. You’ve been burned & you’re saving ME & others from the same. Thanks for this answer and I’ll continue watching! ✌️
@Mo_Ketchups
@Mo_Ketchups 9 ай бұрын
Sorry for multiple posts, but this is some heavy info to take in! When I saw thousands of Jaws units ship with that chumline plastic sinking, causing a gap/ramp that scales airballs into the upper right corner, and what this guy did to fix HIS, I literally did this 🤦‍♂️ They KNEW it was a huge issue!
@Mo_Ketchups
@Mo_Ketchups 9 ай бұрын
Should I get a Monopoly pin w a mint playfield but slight cabinet fading on one side for around $5k or invest in either Avengers (for the shooting, not theme) or new HOH, both Premiums? I’d love to hear any opinions because you may save me a lotta grief. Thanks to anyone who answers. 🙏✌️
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 9 ай бұрын
Monopoly is a decent game and fairly well made. Don't touch Avengers, it's a Spike 2 game. These are low quality, far less reliable and money pits to repair. Be careful about any buying recent titles, they can be troublesome lemons that owners are trying to get rid of!
@AceofSpades-6728
@AceofSpades-6728 8 ай бұрын
I'd take the monopoly over avengers since repairing the monopoly would be far more efficient and cost saving depending on the fault.
@Mo_Ketchups
@Mo_Ketchups 8 ай бұрын
@@AceofSpades-6728 Thank you for the feedback! I’ve been getting the vapors over this decision. I’ve had others tell me the same but for slightly differing reasons. Your bothering to reply gives me hope for this community. 🤙✌️
@Mo_Ketchups
@Mo_Ketchups 8 ай бұрын
@@PinballExpert Your opinion matters to me. So, thank you very much. I AM gonna get the Monopoly. The money I save allows for immediate color DMD upgrade & LED kit, too. 🤙 Hot tip: Americans, buy your color DMD’s from Andrew at Retrocity in Australia. 🇦🇺 I saved $200 buying there for my TSPP & it looks GREAT! 👍
@Mo_Ketchups
@Mo_Ketchups 9 ай бұрын
I wonder if I can get AppleCare for my machine. 🤔 🥸
@Mo_Ketchups
@Mo_Ketchups 9 ай бұрын
SIXTY DAYS?!!!! 👀 If you believe in your quality THAT little, just go for a bigger lol and make it 26 hours after delivery? 🤔 There’s really no practical difference. Holy MOSES I never knew this!! 🤦‍♂️
@rolofox7283
@rolofox7283 9 ай бұрын
I don't like Stern machines, they're too boring playfield-wise. I find myself gravitating toward Williams and Bally in any arcade. The thing I notice a lot is the flippers go bad after a year or two. Shocking how I run into more major faults in Stern machines compaired to almost little to no faults in **Unrestored** and restored machines from 1970-2000s
@DarrinsDen2023
@DarrinsDen2023 9 ай бұрын
There are siegecraft boards now for older machines so you can LED them without ghosting or flickering. I did that to my 1979 Stern Magic and it looks beautiful.
@nena_nezali
@nena_nezali 9 ай бұрын
Now I understand why my arcade disabled force feedback on their spike II's
@catsaretasty
@catsaretasty 10 ай бұрын
😂Gomez and Stern watched this video with tears 😢 in their eyes
@doctoroctos
@doctoroctos 10 ай бұрын
As an embedded engineer, it is very challenging to diagnose all faults internally and display correct messages. It basically requires replicating all failures and accurately diagnosing them internally. Sometimes issues get masked (think faulty wiring hiding a blown fuse). I get that its difficult. Feels like the right thing for stern to do is to invest properly into this development. I don’t think its the end of the road for stern, they just need some upgraded investments. Also, sounds like the level of support should be increased and the cost of replacement parts should be reduced to cost + minimal margins if stern is at fault for supplying parts with low reliability.
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 10 ай бұрын
That's a well considered analysis. The big issue with Stern is, they are ONLY interested in maximizing profits and sales. They're not remotely interested in actually making better systems or better products that will benefit owners.
@mobius273
@mobius273 7 ай бұрын
​@PinballExpert thats all corporations ultimately though
@thesteammachine1282
@thesteammachine1282 10 ай бұрын
In europe we have a mandatory warranty of 1 year and 2 years for more expensive devices .(+the option to expand the license time if provided)
@dadbodexp
@dadbodexp 11 ай бұрын
The end comment about the home models holds true now. Look at the new Venom pro. Its completely a different game than the premium. Jaws pro has the same tendency. I have only seen the videos of Jaws, but it lends itself to the trend
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert 11 ай бұрын
Stern pinballs value for money, features and quality has fallen considerably since I did this review, in fact it's much lower than I expected.
@jozseftokar1
@jozseftokar1 11 ай бұрын
Awesome video!Thanks Mate!
@FloydMaxwell
@FloydMaxwell Жыл бұрын
I despise excess lighting. Insulting to the user. Harmful. Wasteful. Evil.
@GuitarsAndSynths
@GuitarsAndSynths Жыл бұрын
too expensive toys for the super rich now
@HomeRoboticsAustralia
@HomeRoboticsAustralia Жыл бұрын
Love the intro music. What is it?
@stevenv9726
@stevenv9726 Жыл бұрын
Any update on the Stern pinballs? Was considering a new Stern purchase and watched this video with some concern. Has Stern improved during the last 2 years? Thanks for the good, detailed content!
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert Жыл бұрын
They're getting worse. Here's just one example, a change to lower grade screws on Flipper assemblies have been breaking off. Unfortunately, my advice is, definitely don't buy a new Stern pinball.
@GuitarsAndSynths
@GuitarsAndSynths Жыл бұрын
what brands do you recommend for reliable home pinball machine?@@PinballExpert
@AceofSpades-6728
@AceofSpades-6728 8 ай бұрын
I believe Jersey Jack still does the old sam system, at least from what I remember. Look at williams and bally games, though not new, are far more practical than stern machines.​@@GuitarsAndSynths
@Charlies1970TA
@Charlies1970TA Жыл бұрын
Love my Stern Batman 66..... so far so good on a really fun and dynamic play machine. Fingers crossed!
@Zensiji
@Zensiji Жыл бұрын
@Pinball Expert - Would you ever be interested in designing your own pinball machine?
@thomgizziz
@thomgizziz Жыл бұрын
Assuming that the spike board is going to fail every time is a pretty hefty assumption to make so you can feel that you have a stronger point. This isn't how you make arguments, you need to justify your position from your weakest point or you just end up looking like an idiot and only people in your echo chamber and other idiots think you actually have a good point.
@thomgizziz
@thomgizziz Жыл бұрын
Comparing pinball machines to mass market devices where there are sometimes millions sold is disingenuous at best. And even with the economies of scale working for these other devices they even have to draw the line on their guarantees. Stop being so slow, pull your head out mate.
@MrDirkles
@MrDirkles 7 ай бұрын
The controller board is only monitoring switches. Indeed it's so simple that 100$ FPGA device can be used as a direct replacement on wms systems. Stern are price gouging, it's as simple as that
@suulix4065
@suulix4065 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful and informative, thank you so much!!
@PinballExpert
@PinballExpert Жыл бұрын
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@tristanwegner
@tristanwegner Жыл бұрын
Everyone who considers buying a pinball from Stern past 2014 should watch this first
@tristanwegner
@tristanwegner Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insightful warning against Stern pinball machines after 2014 with the Spike 1 or 2 system. Harder and much more expensive repairs plus low quality power supplies with noise fans are anti consumer.
@mesqwa
@mesqwa Жыл бұрын
All about money! Hardly any pride in making a great quality product these days.