Or right rudder.

@@ATCSpotlight Right rudder. Yes. I'd omitted to include that as a contributing factor as well. Pilot error on both counts. Still, to his credit, the radio problem probably needed nearly all of his attention during those last, tense and exhausting couple of minutes 😀

Thanks! Sometimes I hear it wrong.

@ That wasn’t directed at you…just the ridiculousness of that particular transmission

The obvious cause of this event. It's crystal clear. The pilot of the Grumman failed to apply full reverse thrust after touchdown.

So he landed a perfectly flyable aircraft on an active and visibly occupied runway just for a radio failure essentially? The engine was running and all the instruments actually important to the flying of the aircraft were working fine, and so was his tablet... That he'd want to perform a precautionary landing for sure, but doing an emergency crash landing and endangering other people for it ?

​@@FoxMikeHotel So, wise guy. There's always gotta be someone around to offer such seemingly plausible and rational explanations in an attempt to report, second or third hand on events such as these. The Grumman pilot was a goddamn hero in my view. How about just passing on this one? The underlying cause was that one of those New Jersey drones had broken loose from the rest of the squadron. It had traveled to that airfield location as a result of both getting lost and getting caught up in a hurricane force wind gust. Accept this accurate recount and the rest of the explanation will just flow like oil. Later, the drone misidentified the Grumman as being a predator aircraft which was about to reverse into it. So, as a self preservation action, it connected with the Grumman and shunted the Grumman into the Cessna 182 which was on the runway and just ahead of it. It all becomes clearer when you simply STICK WITH THE FACTS!

Partly right. What had happened was that a New Jersey drone, delivered into that area by mistake, had attacked the Grumman using a very sophisticated ray bean. This caused all of the aircraft electrical system to completely fail. It also knocked out both magnetos.The prop had only been windmilling. The heroic Grumman pilot used a special "compression effect" to reduce the impact of the landing. He did so by using the rear fuselage area of the Cessna 182 as a cushion. If he hadn't done so, it's almost inevitable that he would have run out of available runway ahead of him to roll out on. The reason why is that the attack drone had flown ahead of the Grumman after disabling its electrics. The drone then landed and obstructed the runway ahead of both the Grumman and the Cessna with the intention of delivering another burst of ray beam, which could have been a knockout or killer delivery.

Now that you mentioned it, it does sound like it!

You beat me to it! I actually know the guy who took the video...

Wow. They have the video for that! Still unreal that they didn't choose to go around.

Allegedly the Grumman had an "emergency". The emergency was being NORDO. The crash video was posted by a passenger in the Grumman. No words.

@@ernies7174 NORDO isn't an emergency. Last time I was PIC; my plane flew just fine without a radio. That said, nothing prevented the Grumman from landing on the taxiway, which was clear. If Hans Solo can do it; a Grumman can do it.

I felt like they could have handled the situation a little better too.

@@mrwonk NORDO absolutely is not an emergency. Poorly phrased on my end. This PIC panicked for no damn reason and created an emergency situation because he was NORDO. He could have done so many things differently. Literally anything to not destroy 2 planes and nearly kill 5 people. 44709 this dolt.

@@ernies7174The description of that video says that the flight display also failed. Of course still nowhere close to a reasonable response

I think there are commercial solutions for these difficult conditions. But I am not too sure about that too. The marsh conditions will definitely make it even more challenging.

Boats with cranes

Thank you for sharing, that's something I have been thinking about too. As to which will be easier for everyone to understand.

@@ATCSpotlightgood on ya for reading comments and giving them some thought!

Hovering the helicopter during a rescue(hovering in general ) puts an IMMENSE load on the helicopter , uses the most horsepower and burns the most fuel . Contrary as it sounds dumping all that fuel is saving a TON of weight & is allowing the helicopter to have more stable performance and power on tap incase they need to maneuver . Now they are done searching they know there they are they can dump the extra fuel to get better performance out of the helicopter .

@@euba0149 Thank you!!

​@Kjubb Also may not have been expecting two male patients. So max weight may could have been a concern. Like he said they get better performance if they're lighter. No idea what their standard operating procedures are. But makes sense to me that they'd always take off with full tanks. And dump fuel if the mission requires it. You can burn and dump fuel if you need to. But you can't put more in.

Yeah, sweeping the area might have helped prevent this.

Sometimes, only GOD! 🤪

Seems a bit premature… wouldn’t want you investigating.

@@A_A_J. I have seen enough incidents were some oldtimer who had no business flying solo any longer refused to see reality and got himself in trouble becaue he was simply not up for the task at his age. And this guy sounds old and slow. So my money is on task saturation due to old brain and no 2nd pilot on board to correct his mistakes.

@@Quotenwagnerianer & Ive seen enough envy to spot jealousy. One thing I can't see clearly is the photo credit to KTVU.

Yeah. Both on board survived. But they were seriously injured.

Yeah, but it won't be a good day after that.

Why both to have a number to csll it djould have just been the culprit plane this is why tgey need good cctv all over the airport area

This is why they need cctv sll over the runway areas

The Korean air was an A380 as well. But it's gonna be hard for a CCTV to capture flying FODs.

Would be hard but top quality snd more of a webcam device thsn cctv as there very clear as I watched animals from africa on thrm and if someone live in control tower was watching them . Thanks you for replying to my comment😊

Now that you mentioned it.

It happens. But thats why we practice! Stay safe out there!

I saw that video too! I am curious what the investigation will reveal.

I would have been really stressed out too. Thankfully everyone made it out safe.

Indeed! Not what I had in mind before hearing the recordings.

Be cause probably he got shot by fast rocket due to his content. Vilnius had enormous orange cloud, red Sun and mushroom smoke. He couod have crashed on purpose ir was shot. Many videos and whitness. You all start from the wrong point.

That is going to limit a large part of the world from doing so.

I might be reading your question wrongly, but the ICAO phraseology does spell out how they need to say it.

Honestly, that's a real difficult problem I think.

Its always the miscommunications.

So why you are here if you dont want to jump?

I am waiting for more details too.

The video did look a lot more like a controlled flight into terrain. I guess we will have to wait for the investigation to shed more light into it.

Sorry about that, i did try my best but there are parts which were challenging for me to catch.

It was rather challenging trying to transcribe the audio.

I should look more into that. Thanks!

It's a tragedy indeed. Unfortunate how all of this aligns. But I am hoping the preliminary investigation will shed more light on how it happened.

@ATCSpotlight I absolutely agree with you. Miscommunication undoubtedly played a significant role in this tragedy, but it doesn’t change the fact that the aircraft, under the pilots control, continued descending in clear visibility, far from the runway lights. They should have seen that there was nothing ahead and that they were too low. This only reinforces the pattern we see in many aviation accidents: a chain of small factors, each insignificant on its own, gradually builds up to disaster. It’s a sobering reminder of how fragile safety can be and how vital it is to address every detail before it’s too late.

DEI hires.

@@Instant_Nerf tf is that supposed to mean? Because ATC is a woman it could only possibly be due to DEI policies?

​@eglevyzintaite4171 yah the lady's not even listening to the pilots she said 2700 pilots ok 2300 she should of said yo I said 2700 jerky wth

Yeah, for the untrained ears like mine, it was a struggle for sure.

Perfect point. Also valid for a much broader use of the language. I say this being a Lithuanian too and getting frustrated every now and then, whenever I hear a fast English speech, especially with a strong accent (or especially a dialect): - Why people just don't talk slower?

With that name you should know how busy bravo is, the stress that ATC are subject to is inmense, pilots are trained to listen well whats called aviation English, while for the untrained ear sounds crazy for me it makes sense, sad accident regardless ​@saulius2

@@pedromejias4552 here we understood that they’re not really well trained. readback a few times if needed. do you really know how many crashes caused the misunderstanding?! let me tell you then: Avianca Flight 52 Air Florida Flight 90 Singapore Airlines Flight 006 Linate Airport Disaster PSA Flight 182 American Airlines Flight 965 Tenerife Airport Disaster I know the pressure, I’m not in aviation but I read about so many investigations, I watched the videos of tower staff working. in aviation you don’t have a second chance most of the time so there should be new rules. let them fly 10-15 mins more but just make sure that the numbers are correct, speak slower, especially in bad weather and night time. there’s no need to rush, people better wait than die.

@claudian6257 the reason you don't understand what's like being either on the cabin or in the control tower, each accident leaves a lesson learned the reason why aviation is the safest way of transportation, English is not my mother tongue but I'm certain that the industry is well built to maintain high safety standards, perhaps fatigue played a part in both parties involved, specially at this period of the year

Good point

Yeah, I saw the video of the crash too. But I am not too sure about that.

Yeah you got a point. I slowed it down and it does sound something like “say hundred feet” due to the accent.

Nope, been listening to it tens of times, different speeds and all TRYING to by any means hear "2700" or the "2300" suggested and all I hear is a clear "five".

@@jm-holm i can hear 3 and 7 but no five. Well, we can't really know until the official report.

@@Jatzki It is interesting that people hear three different versions and everyone is equally convinced about it.

@@jm-holm Yeah lol yanny laurel all over again