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You're welcome for the tune sheet! However, ugrundy's tunes may get the job done for festival playlist challenges like these but in almost all cases they are significantly worse than the tunes I list in my sheet (same goes for basically every other tuner I mentioned to avoid on that sheet). At least when it comes to racing performance, they are often using unoptimal parts in their build, and have subpar tuning settings that need to unnecessary significant understeer that severely hampers the cornering speed you can achieve. For that speed zone, sure maybe a powerbuild with far less handling might get you the job done on that, but all of the tunes I've listed for it are fully capable of achieving that target, plus they actually have enough handling to be useable for racing too (which is a secondary point of my festival playlist tune sheet, almost all tunes listed can be used for racing outside of the festival playlist challenges). And besides, the speed zone is mostly just a straight, there's not much to go wrong with your driving even if you're not that experienced🤷

@@Saeenu Well, I know you do a serious work on your sheets, and your arguments regarding the different quality of the tunes look reasonable. Anyway, in my honest opinion it does not justify qualifying them as terrible tuners, neither publishing that list every week. Maybe you are not considering these two simple arguments: first, many players may be just looking for a tune to achieve a particular challenge, not a "meta" tune (that in many cases are much more difficult to handle for an average player); second, players are not so silly: if those tuners are so terrible, they won't use their tunes week after week.

@@torpezno unfortunately a lot of players in this game do not really have a good idea what they're looking for when it comes to tunes. There's a reason why usually the most popular tune on any car is some dumb max upgrade build that will make the car completely uncompetitive for racing and handle poorly for the amount of power it has for example. Popularity of tuners does not determine their quality at all, many of the most popular tuners in the game have pumped out nothing but absolute garbage to flood the algorithm with spam and eventually they get picked up on at least one of them and take off from there. This is one of the main reasons why I make such tune sheets and video guides listing far better quality tunes (that might normally go unnoticed) than what you'll usually find people using from the first page tunes in the game with the highest amount of stars (which again, is not an actual rating of the tune quality itself at all, this is simply an indicator of how popular the tune is which does not mean anything). To give you an idea, the 2 most popular tuners in the game are Eley9 and ugrundy respectively. These 2 tuners are infamous for making understeery pieces of shit that cannot turn to save their lives, with unoptimal builds and seemingly random/nonsensical tuning settings, they have never made anything worth using ever, full stop. Unfortunately those are not the only popular tuners in the game that spam clickbait tunes like that, but they are the most noteable examples. As you've seen, there are more of these tuners (not all, but most) listed in my sheet to avoid. I made that list since a lot of those tuners are pretty popular, and I have found that they have consistently made poor quality tunes with many if not all the same problems that I've mentioned above, that have nothing redeemable about them, and there's simply no reason to ever bother trying those. As much as I dislike Sepi on a moral and individual level (this is a discussion for another time), he did make a couple of good videos about Ugrundy's tunes, testing them and showing why they are simply just poor quality. In my personal testing too over time with some of the tuners mentioned on that avoid list, their tunes have often ended up seconds slower than better tunes around a roughly ~1min long race track. Don't give me the excuse that their tunes are somehow more "suitable" or "accessible" for newer, less skilled players either, since it's still going to be a bad idea either way. As a newer player, would it not make more sense to actually pick a better tune that will make it around a corner without having to slow down excessively in order to not understeer off the road/into the wall? And most of these better tunes are not that hard for players of any skill type to pick up their hands on (unless its a powerbuild).

​@@SaeenuI am sorry I have to repeat it: all those arguments don't justify such a list. In my honest opinion, that list looks pretty rude and aggressive. FH5 players have enough memory and common sense to avoid bad tuners by theirselves. I guess there are other interests behind this topic, but it is not my business.

@@torpezno idk about you but I think I've provided more than enough reasonable arguments about why such a list should exist, dunno what more there is to tell you. The tuners listed there just straight up make bad tunes with unoptimal builds and terrible random settings. This isn't a matter of opinion but simply the unfortunate and objective truth, backed by testing. You can also try asking other experienced tuners in the game (that I often feature in my tune lists), most likely they will agree with that tuner avoid list. I wish most of the popular tuners in this game weren't as low quality as they are, but that's just the reality of the situation If it seems rude, that's their problem not mine that they continually pump out low quality tunes all the time. They could simply either actually take the effort into learning how to tune more effectively (although this is not easy and requires actually having a good amount of driving skill and knowledge of the game itself, and plenty of testing and trial and error to find out what works well and what doesn't), or just not bother to constantly clog up the tune sharing algorithm if they actively knew their stuff was bad but continue to do so to farm downloads Also you honestly overestimate the average Forza player. Just think about all the random teammates you find in the Trial for example who struggle to beat even a single AI, that's your average Forza player skill right there. It would make sense that these kind of players do not have the smartest tune selections or follow the best tuners either (like I said, mostly gonna pick the most popular tuners which are more often than not, bad ones)

Oh hey saenu, I remember you from Ar12 videos. Thnx for the heart. I've seen 2999 level cheaters using 8k HP drift supra and winning so fast bruh

There are some tunes for it listed in the sheet linked in the video description

Also good looking car