Case Number 86: The Society Murders
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@mrslady6
@mrslady6 6 күн бұрын
This is just sad🏠
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod 6 күн бұрын
Agreed! Unfortunately, there has been no update on their website as to progress on the Post Conviction Relief filing.
@circustoonsjokevideos
@circustoonsjokevideos 11 күн бұрын
The abuse in general wasn't what shocked me about this case, though, don't get me wrong, DISGUSTING. But it was the manual he wrote encouraging the abuse, and the journal he kept boasting about it! That's what shocked me the most. Because regular pedos just go to chris hansen, chris hansen sings the same old song, and they're arrested. This case wasn't like that, which is what's so interesting about it! :D
@Bumper776
@Bumper776 17 күн бұрын
This case was eerily similar to the Darlie Routier of Rowlett Texas case. In both cases the mothers brutally stabbed their sons to death then staged the scenes to make it appear that an intruder had committed the crimes, they both self-inflicted superficial wounds, and claimed to have fought off the intruders. In both cases, the evidence was overwhelming that there had been no intruders. As always, the claims of shoddy police work by the defense team were used but in the Julie Rea case, Richard Caudell, the Illinois State Police Crime Scene Investigator was a lawman with decades of outstanding service and was considered to be one of the top criminal investigators in the region. Contrary to claims that he did not do a thorough investigation, Caudell spent hundreds of hours on the case, leaving no stone unturned, and like the Routier case, all of the evidence pointed to Julie Rea as the killer of Joel Kirkpatrick. Caudell died of cancer in January of 2003, so he was not there for the retrial of Julie Rea after Tommy Lynn Sells confessed to the killing. If you do your research, you will find that Sells confessed to around 70 murders but about 50 of them were found to be false confessions. Many suspect the author Dianne Fanning of sending Sells descriptions of various murders that he would confess to in order to beef-up his body count to sell books about Sells. Sells' version of what took place was physically impossible unless he was able to run at 50mph for several miles, it was beyond ridiculous. The phony confession of Sells and the jury's inability to believe that a meek, innocent looking little woman could have butchered her own son won Julie Rea an acquittal, so she walked free. When she divorced her second husband that had stood with her during her retrial, he was made to sign an agreement that he would not disclose any personal information about Julie that she had revealed to him during their marriage. I am sorry but I could not listen to this further than 45:41 because it was quite obvious that you are not looking at this case objectively. A good investigator must not go into an investigation with their mind closed or allow themselves to let their emotions sway them from the path leading to the truth. Yes, Julie is quite good at putting on an act and she probably has convinced herself by now that she did not murder her son, but all of the real and overwhelming evidence says otherwise.
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod 17 күн бұрын
Thank you for your input. We do not claim to be investigative journalists. We are not a "news" show. Our show includes banter and opinion which we decide based on the information we have. We are independent podcasters that rely on corroborating reports through multiple media outlets and the court records when available to us. According to our sources, which are listed in the description or show notes, the "shoddy" police work took place before the state police were called in. I apologize if I did not make that clear enough. It is our understanding that once a crime scene is processed incorrectly, there can't always be an accurate collection of further evidence no matter how good those detectives coming in are. Due to our background in the legal field, we are also very careful not to profess guilt when someone has not been found guilty or been exonerated. In the portion of the episode you did not listen to, I reiterated the facts more simply. She was convicted but then exonerated. Sells confessed and then retracted, which did not surprise psychologists who have commented on the case. I also clearly stated if I were on a jury, I would not feel comfortable sending anyone to prison for life based on the evidence they had, especially that in the second trial.
@Bumper776
@Bumper776 16 күн бұрын
@@burdenofproofpod The Illinois State Police Crime Scene Investigator Richard Caudell arrived at the scene within an hour as his residence was in Lawrenceville Illinois. There were two Lawrence County deputy sheriffs that secured the crime scene until he arrived. If Caudell had been alive to testify at the second trial, things may well have turned out differently. I was made privy to all of the actual evidence and there is not a doubt in my mind who killed Joel.
@juliewarner1320
@juliewarner1320 20 күн бұрын
This was the dunbest white girl thing! Just stop
@Pamala-uc2gm
@Pamala-uc2gm 22 күн бұрын
His wife said SHE lost the gun while out shooting with visiting friends . Left it on the bank of some beach..
@jessicamckenzie2261
@jessicamckenzie2261 2 ай бұрын
She was a killer. She had a really messed up childhood, just horrible. It’s no excuse for what she did but more than one thing can be true about someone. Her life was a tragedy and she destroyed a lot of lives. Sad all around.
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod 2 ай бұрын
We could not agree more. Sympathy for what a criminal went through and sympathy for their victims is not mutually exclusive. For us there's room for both but we never want to glorify the criminals. Having a traumatic life does not excuse their actions. Sad all around is exactly right!
@rachaelblomiley3309
@rachaelblomiley3309 3 ай бұрын
And no, the ammunition was not the same. The gun was the same TYPE but the grandfather had hollow point bullets in it and the one Travis was shot with was NOT a hollow point bullet.
@marcosta183
@marcosta183 5 ай бұрын
To be hydrated, one should have some Salt in the water...😢
@marcosta183
@marcosta183 5 ай бұрын
You destroy your own job! Not much to say!
@tgd9477
@tgd9477 5 ай бұрын
When reporting a murder take the comedy out of your voice. This case is serious and extremely sad and what's with the sexy music at the beginning? 🤔
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod 5 ай бұрын
On both our channel and the very first line of the description reads: WARNING: May contain humor and definitely contains banter. Listener discretion advised. We are a podcast. Not a news channel. Our format, as many other true crime podcasts are not for everyone. That is perfectly okay.
@user-hq9nw1iw4m
@user-hq9nw1iw4m 5 ай бұрын
When commenting, take the condemnation out of your text. No one is trying to please YOU. You obviously don’t watch many crime channels… as MANY joke and use sarcastic humor. That’s the beauty of CREATING YOUR OWN CHANNEL! You get to do whatever you want. You have all the freedom to get off of this one, and do one yourself, just the way you like it.
@tgd9477
@tgd9477 5 ай бұрын
​@@burdenofproofpodOk thank you for clearing that up...I apologize for the criticism I hadn't got the warning. God bless. ❤
@hollyharris1874
@hollyharris1874 5 ай бұрын
I grew up in Colbert County & remember this terrible case. I'd bet good money that dehydration is a strategy of DR inmates &/or their counsel/advisors.
@candancecarmean770
@candancecarmean770 5 ай бұрын
creepy crawler.
@candancecarmean770
@candancecarmean770 5 ай бұрын
I meant new subscriber for some reason i cant edit.
@candancecarmean770
@candancecarmean770 5 ай бұрын
w sunscriber. I guess i will go back and listen to the last show, lol. You girls remind me of me and my three sisters. I subscribed nefore the story even started because of the familiar banter. ❤❤❤❤
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!! Every episode is a little different on the level of humor and banter but we hope you enjoy!
@candancecarmean770
@candancecarmean770 5 ай бұрын
@@burdenofproofpod Will jave to share this channel with my little sister Tessica. Her husband is an NCIS investigator. She loves true crime (imagine that Lol).💯♥️
@pinkvoodoo9237
@pinkvoodoo9237 6 ай бұрын
You so pretty
@belindasanderson8837
@belindasanderson8837 6 ай бұрын
Wi doo. You have no comment
@jesuschrist-zw5pv
@jesuschrist-zw5pv 6 ай бұрын
scotts car camera is a pedophile, a known kiddie fucker.
@ttthecat
@ttthecat 6 ай бұрын
I am a first time listener, and you both have lovely fun chemistry together. But perhaps if you are focusing on serious cases you might make a point of being a bit more serious before engaging with topics of death and child abuse. I don't think you meant any harm but initially I thought I had clicked on the wrong podcast because of the fun lighthearted and humorous tone at the beginning. I had to read the description again to make sure I had the correct podcast. Your audio sounds excellent and you two have a wonderful rapport but I could definitely see others taking great offense by the lighthearted tone at the beginning and what might have been nervous giggles during the recounting of the life and crimes of R H. I hope you take this as constructive criticism as it was given with good intentions-- and you did ask at the beginning. I wish you both the very best you definitely have great potential
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod 6 ай бұрын
Yes, we definitely appreciate constructive criticism. Thank you for your thoughtful insight. This topic in particular is a difficult one for us to discuss and both our conversations at the beginning and laughter throughout the discussion of the crimes were definitely from a place of avoidance and/or discomfort. As we mentioned, it's not a topic we typically cover but I did make the decision to do so at the request of a listener. I think I can say on behalf of Savannah and myself that we do not wish to cover the topic of pedophilia again. While we do not advertise specifically as a comedic true crime podcast, many of our episodes do contain what little humor we can find. This topic is certainly not funny and it was never our intention to offend anyone with our off topic conversation or uncomfortable laughter. We are truly sorry if it has done so. ~ Elysia
@user-bp9xt7lp5d
@user-bp9xt7lp5d 6 ай бұрын
This is Randy Triplets x-wife and I'm not sure if either 2 of you know shit you are talking about is true ..I also spoke to Randy April 7 bc that was our Anniversary and Leonard was my parte er of 19 yrs. ...he also died in police custody...hum....I know that you don't care to feel bad about Randy or Leonards kids hearing your bullshit....but I do..Nobody kn9ws forsure how all this happened,I know what Randy told me. and it does not sound like the story you told......and it doesn't mean that I am saying it was ok .I just would like for people to consider what his daughter goes through already and to hear this she will be totally upset and so would Leonards kids.....You ever thought if it were your family and how would you live a life with all the talk and wish it were not true ...or you could go back and start over with the part where your dad was still here and si was your grandparents......never will that happen....and talk will forever be ....
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod 6 ай бұрын
As with any true crime podcast, it is never our intention to cause further harm to families. The majority of us in the industry do try to be respectful to families, but admittedly we are often focused on the family of the victim(s). We recognize this case specifically is complicated in that matter being that it happened within the same family. We are truly sorry for any hurt this may have caused you or the children of Randy. Being paralegals, we are very careful with our sources which are listed in the description of the video. Unfortunately, our preferred source of court documents about this case were unavailable to us. However, our main source was a credible network documentary with multiple interviews including detectives on the case.
@laineye361
@laineye361 6 ай бұрын
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@laineye361
@laineye361 6 ай бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this episode! From the moment I first watched the Dateline episode ("Suspicion" - Season 20, ep.21), I had sooooooo many doubts about Chris's "guilt." When you watch the opening of that episode, the neighbor couple talk about how "close" all those folks were and were constantly in and out of one another's units for coffee/wine/cookouts/et al. (or as you point out the key thing). There would be multiple (if not daily/weekly) opportunities for Dave to snag the gun from Chris & Bianca's apartment, no voice analysis matches the vm to Chris (or Dave), and as Elise points out, all Dave had to do was leave his own cell phone at home, take the prepaid with him, and them shoot Ken himself (again...just a theory, but just as plausible as Chris's "conviction"--the murder for hire made no sense either). Seriously, WTF was that jury thinking... and, yeah, Lee should never have been allowed to testify. The only other thing that you didn't mention here (that I think matters) was in that special is when the other Dave (the neighbors in the opening) had a conversation (during one of their socials) with Novak about how to get away with crime/murder, he said you set up a fall guy, then the cops stop all investigating/searching (and you get away with it). I'm just as outraged as y'all are. This transcends "reasonable doubt" by leaps and bounds. It's the epitome of "reasonable doubt."
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for listening! We completely agree that Chris should not have been convicted based on the evidence they had! I definitely chose to leave certain things about said neighbor out due to hearing that he has threatened lawsuits against people. I'm sure he'd back down against an entity such as NBC but us little indie podcasters are not looking to get sued. 😂 Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts on the case! We hope we can bring a little more awareness to it and we hope the innocence project can truly help Chris! ~ Elysia
@AuntLALA
@AuntLALA 6 ай бұрын
Apologizing is def an awful southern thing. I apologized for everything even if it was not my fault. I never knew i did it until a northern friend of mine pointed it out to me. I was shocked 😲 between my chilhood trauma and being raised in the deep south, it took lots of therapy to start changing that thought process. ❤
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod 6 ай бұрын
I'm sure it's both a southern and midwest thing. I also didn't think about it in the moment but my grandparents were all from the south and moved to the midwest where they perpetuated the apologizing for no reason. I'm glad to hear that's changing for you. I definitely don't know where I'd be without therapy! I'm a believer that everyone could use at least a little. Thanks for listening! ~ Elysia
@AuntLALA
@AuntLALA 6 ай бұрын
What do we have here? 🍿 ive never been here before ❤
@torymeckley4002
@torymeckley4002 7 ай бұрын
⭐ Promo_SM
@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653
@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653 8 ай бұрын
He’s guilty obviously
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for listening! This is such a crazy case. I think justice was ultimately served but I can see how people could speculate otherwise. ~ Elysia
@nidiaalarcon4852
@nidiaalarcon4852 11 ай бұрын
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@breen3ca
@breen3ca Жыл бұрын
Your podcast was well done.👍
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@user-kw7pu2bh6y
@user-kw7pu2bh6y Жыл бұрын
Stacey Kananen was the new girl at my school in 4th grade in Clarissa Minnesota. They had moved there from Maine. I went to 2 of her birthday parties at the farm they rented. Looking back, knowing what I know now, I’m surprised she got to have birthday parties. We moved in August of 1977 and I guess they fled town a few months later in October. I didn’t see her again until I was 29 and was visiting EPCOT where she was working. She told me her dad had left, probably went back to Maine, but that her mom still lived close by. The next time I saw her was when I happened to turn on Court TV during her trial. I contacted Diana Tennis to find out how to contact her and she put me back in touch. I knew before the trial was over that she did not do this but I also found out how terrible her childhood was, which was heartbreaking. She was a very sweet girl and watching her on tv, she was EXACTLY the same as she was at age 10 and 11. The book was difficult to get through because it describes what she was going through during the time I knew her.
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing! Yes, knowing her personally and hearing what she had gone through is a whole different level! My heart goes out to her. As heartbreaking her story was, I felt it deserved to be heard. With most true crime focused on who actually committed the crimes, it was nice to be able to tell the story from a different perspective. I just hope I did it justice and in some small way helped her story reach others who may otherwise never know about it. ~Elysia
@jamesknapp64
@jamesknapp64 Жыл бұрын
42:00 Wasn't Harvey Jewish raised? why would he have a christian burial? 57:00 maybe that is why so many of us are depressed :) 58:56 why the hell weren't the sentences the same length? yeah the math wasn't hard to get to and makes no sense; doesn't the judge hand out the sentence? 1:01:27 yeah me too; lack of accountability is an epidemic 1:06:27 very poetic final written words. made it through and didn't cry so am I banned now?
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod Жыл бұрын
Yes, Harvey did grow up Jewish. None of our sources really discussed whether he officially converted or if those who handled his memorial arrangements chose the church. We imagine him being openly gay may have played a part in who was willing to hold the service, but we cannot say for sure. That is very likely part of the reason depression is so rampant in this country. Thankfully we don't all use it as an excuse to kill people. We have absolutely no explanation as to why the sentencing was given the way it was, but completely understand why the LGBTQ+ community was angry. The judge did give the sentence. The jury only decided that he was guilty for manslaughter rather than premeditated murder.
@jamesknapp64
@jamesknapp64 Жыл бұрын
Yeah middle of the night pods are always good time ;)
@jamesknapp64
@jamesknapp64 Жыл бұрын
11:00 What did I just hear? and it keeps getting crazier, like was said, how does he have time for all the affairs.
@jamesknapp64
@jamesknapp64 Жыл бұрын
it was an awful case alright.
@trinityanderson859
@trinityanderson859 Жыл бұрын
Why is this so underrated. 😢
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Trinity!
@RobertJames-pl5vb
@RobertJames-pl5vb Жыл бұрын
Haven't Watched the Film Yet Just to say I was First 🎞️🎥😆😂😅 Kudo's 🪂
@RobertJames-pl5vb
@RobertJames-pl5vb Жыл бұрын
Ops Just Talking about the Film 🎥😆 Still I was First 🎞️
@jamesknapp64
@jamesknapp64 Жыл бұрын
I never got the fear of public speaking. I'd rather speak in front of a group of people I don't know than people I do. Comment fun emoji b/c I win; seems like that can't be true though
@jamesknapp64
@jamesknapp64 Жыл бұрын
7:40 yeah I have many students who were wearing hoodies in the middle of Summer. We're in the Midwest its 90F and miserable and you're wearing a hoodie? Yeah made no sense to me either. 13:05 is where to pick back up as they said ;) 26:00 are you sure? ;) 35:30 you have it backwards :) 55:50 you can have hearings last *weeks* as seen with this case 56:20 new viewer I don't' get the reference, why don't you like Jury sentencing recommendation? 1:00:10 you sure about this by now ;) I don't think you confused me too much and *Blondie*
@thecircleandthesquare8980
@thecircleandthesquare8980 Жыл бұрын
my theory is they were actually playing truth or dare and she dared him to crawl in the suitcase for however long ("i'll leave the zipper open enough so you can get out if you want")
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod Жыл бұрын
I definitely think that's more plausible than hide and seek.
@PURKALURK
@PURKALURK Жыл бұрын
Hello. Scott Purk is my father and I'd just like to say that neither I nor the rest of my family were "in on it". We were all traumatized by what my dad did. What he did is on him but don't place any fault on the rest of my family. Thank you.
@burdenofproofpod
@burdenofproofpod Жыл бұрын
Sean, We apologize wholeheartedly for any hurt we may have caused you or your family. We genuinely do not believe anyone in the Purk family actually had anything to do with Scott Purk's crimes. We often talk about the conspiracies that some in the true crime community will look for in cases that are rather cut and dry. The banter regarding others being "in on it" was in reference to a jest about conspiracies and was in no way meant to be an actual accusation towards anyone. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.