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@gabrielahiltonbianu515 3 сағат бұрын
THANK YOU !
@l.i.archer5379 18 сағат бұрын
Did you get the new nerfed 4070 cards for these tests or the OG 4070s?
@dragonsystems5973 17 сағат бұрын
@@l.i.archer5379 it is the newer lower end version
@awjaaa Күн бұрын
Are you a cat lady? Only cat ladies reply to people on the internet like this. Toxoplasmosis is real, bro.
@ItachiUchiha-jv3rf Күн бұрын
What's crazy is I just got my 4090 for $200 dollars. My best friend was lucky enough to get a 5090 and was generous enough to sell it to me on my birthday. I'm coming from a 4070Ti Super and the difference is night and day. It's the best $200 dollars I've spent on anything PC in a long time.
@dragonsystems5973 Күн бұрын
@ItachiUchiha-jv3rf that's the only way to get a deal like that, thru a friend
@ItachiUchiha-jv3rf Күн бұрын
@dragonsystems5973 So very true. Nvidia knew that most people would just buy a 4090 after seeing the reviews. The comparison between 4090 and the 5090 just proves that it should have been called a 4090Ti. The performance gap between the 2 shows you're not really missing anything. Nvidia played on it's consumers impulse. Then, cut the 4090 so that the option to go back was severed. I bet my bottom dollar that most of the people on line that day coming from, say, a 3000 series card would have bought 4090s when told the 5000s were sold out. They weren't gonna leave those stores empty-handed, and Nvidia knew that. Very bad business move.
@dragonsystems5973 15 сағат бұрын
@ItachiUchiha-jv3rf i dont know if that's entirely the case... honestly I'd be more inclined to think that all ADA production was shifted to Blackwell... remember, they can only reserve soo much fab capacity, so my guess would be the current production of 50 class was all they could spare diverting from Datacenter products.
@dragonsystems5973 Күн бұрын
I think it didn't have the option. I dont remember for certain, it would have been either that or the FSR worked better
@JamesSmith-sw3nk 2 күн бұрын
Good video. At $200, that is an awesome deal. The problem for the 4070 was the 4070 Super new was only another $50 with 20% more performance.
@Pentenfi 2 күн бұрын
Is there any reason why you used FSR upscaling and not XeSS?
@B.M.Skyforest 2 күн бұрын
I use RTX 3070 with i7-6700. CPU is a little bit behind, but mostly pairs really nicely
@dragonsystems5973 Күн бұрын
@B.M.Skyforest actually it's probably bottlenecknecking pretty bad... honestly I hate that word, but in this case it is what it is... my 9900K was costing me about 25% performance on my 3080. If I where you id be watching for a good deal on like a 12th gen i5... that being said, its not unusable by any means, and I don't advocate for upgrading if you are happy, but also, you can get more out of the card if you want
@B.M.Skyforest Күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973 I've read that it's like using 70% of my GPU which is not that bad. But unfortunately I need full motherboard replacement as the best I can upgrade it to is i7-7700 :(
@emirmet 2 күн бұрын
Me and my 2060 . YES
@keashaneverts4452 2 күн бұрын
Ark survival evolved. 2015. And mafia 3. 2014 i think. Still. STILL push me to the limit. Bro hahaha😅
@wielka_kfoka 2 күн бұрын
I have a question, will the i5 10400F bottleneck amd rx 7800xt?
@dragonsystems5973 2 күн бұрын
@@wielka_kfoka probably?? I have not tested either of those items...
@Sirkdinos 2 күн бұрын
My first build ever was this past October and I build it all through used parts I found on fb marketplace and I got a 4070 fe for 400. It was truly a high I can’t explain to have that kind of power for the price I got it at that I think it spoiled me for other deals. But agreed, it’s just a solid card all around… it didn’t really even disappoint with a lot of 4k titles.
@dragonsystems5973 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, so this happens... a good example is an RX 6800 XT I picked up for $150... that doesnt mean I can find a 1080 Ti for $25, or a 2080 for $60. I also picked a $3000 Dell Precision new in box, sealed, for $300.... you just have to remember every deal will not be that good
@zapdosmtr4961 2 күн бұрын
This game stutters hard 1.5 hours in, 4070S and 12700k
@dragonsystems5973 2 күн бұрын
Im playing on a 4070 right now and it seems fine.. your problem is probably trying to max the settings... it might have seemed at first like it could, but you need a good bit of frame rate buffer on this one... just hitting like 60 is not good enough
@zapdosmtr4961 2 күн бұрын
@dragonsystems5973 frame time graph spikes and cutscenes stutter when transition to gameplay. I'll turn down RT.
@wwzzbros 2 күн бұрын
how fast the ram?
@dragonsystems5973 2 күн бұрын
probably 1600
@wwzzbros 2 күн бұрын
ok, thanks! was thinking about getting an office pc and upgrading it, but was concerned about the slower speeds
@slc9800gtx 2 күн бұрын
I agree that the final preceived experience is what is important. I also agree that a 4070 is enought for most modern demanding games. I found that DLSS quality almost always looks equal to native. I have a 4060 ti 16 gig card, 30% slower than the 4070, and it runs perfectly. Zero complaints with DLSS quality mode. But, I do not run path tracing. I personally do not like the look of path tracing even in the least and it's performance hit to your fps. I will probably never ever use it. I like upscaling but not frame generation.
@dragonsystems5973 2 күн бұрын
@slc9800gtx honestly the only GPU I use any RT features on for anything other than testing and demo is my 4090. I love how big tech channels will insist native has to be better, but then when they put two "Experts"(whatever that means) in front of machines, they will sit there and squint and pixel peep for like 15 minutes trying to decide, at which point I say it's too close to claim a meaningful difference. Honestly FSR is even at least good enough to be worth using over not if you have an older system.. say like a 4th gen i7 with a 1070 or RX 580
@PhysPushscale 3 күн бұрын
Had a 4070 and upgraded to 4070 ti super oc obviosly. I dont see any problem in any game on 3440x1440. You will sometimes use DLSS 4 blanced since it still looks better than quality mode in dlss 3.8.1. Also 4k performance mode is viable now with dlss4. If you cant hit above 100 fps on 2k 144hz monitor than dont bother to switch. Who the fk wants chopy 60-100fps "gameplay"? Casual filth
@sahraouirami6558 3 күн бұрын
turn crowd density down and fsr frame generation is currently broken in cyberpunk
@bvblacksmith 3 күн бұрын
Just got a second hand 4070 a while ago and stuck it in my i7 6700K/32GB setup I‘ve been running with a GTX 1080 since 2016. Big improvement, but clearly bottlenecked by the cpu. Lots of stuttering in Halo Infinite for instance. Runs Doom Eternal great though, even with RTX. 7600X3D has arrived since, much better balance now, and almost double the fps in certain games despite the same GPU.
@oblivieon1567 3 күн бұрын
What? You're speaking common sense on the internet? HOW DARE YOU! 😱I just recently bought a 4070 specifically one with a single 8 pin so it would be an easy plug and play upgrade. Yeah awesome card and games run great!
@willyamalexandre8716 3 күн бұрын
My 3050 can play those games fast enough 😅
@fishyzaa 3 күн бұрын
Are you using nvidia profile inspector
@nhojleahcim47 3 күн бұрын
i have the original version of this card and I agree with your comment about the size and form factor. I'm new to 1440p and its been an awesome experience so far with the games i play. the highest temp I've seen it at is around 62 C and I'm in the tropics. Most of the time its in the low to mid 50's which I think shows how efficient it is.
@dragonsystems5973 3 күн бұрын
@@nhojleahcim47 yup, the one I have is a vanilla OG Gigabyte 4070
@nhojleahcim47 3 күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973 what you have there is the very slightly slower v2 model which has gddr6 instead of gddr6x memory
@dragonsystems5973 3 күн бұрын
@nhojleahcim47 that's possible, it is a 4070, and it is fairly new, i didn't look really close, i picked the card up for $200, and I've got a 4090 and several 3080s, so it was kinda just for the fact it was $200 to have another modern upper mid range card on hand... I also like the form factor compared to my larger, ill figure it out when it's in front of me again in a few days
@dragonsystems5973 3 күн бұрын
Your right, I see it on the box in the video... ehhh, still, I didn't do bad for $200 :)
@nhojleahcim47 3 күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973 bro that is a GOD of a deal. I got mine for $390.
@cheeks2001 3 күн бұрын
i got a question does 2560x1440 look the same as 1920x1080 like does it stretch the screen or make it smaller is what im trying to say
@Warlord0786 3 күн бұрын
well a lot of this is thanks to direct storage files allowing games to bypass the requirement a lot of CPU requirements. amazing video
@dragonsystems5973 3 күн бұрын
@@Warlord0786 ill be honest, I actually expected it to do better... DLSS really took a hit with the slower CPU
@jacobwilliams3456 3 күн бұрын
I went from 1650super to 1660ti to 3060ti to 4070. The 3060ti I paid 1000bucks for in 2020ish
@dekio1999 3 күн бұрын
that cpu is 10 years old and its considered retro?
@dragonsystems5973 3 күн бұрын
@dekio1999 i dont wish to have a totally meaningless debate about what is and isnt "retro" this machine was built with generally period accurate 2013 to 2014 generation hardware, though this video was a sidetrack out of my own curiosity, my Titan Z will be going back in. Take away from that what you will.
@TheRetroRonin 3 күн бұрын
a very honest review I have a question currently have 3070ti 5700x would a 4070 be a good upgrade , or should i stick with my 3070ti thanks.
@dragonsystems5973 3 күн бұрын
@TheRetroRonin I wouldn't, i think the whole discussion is mostly dumb.. like, I buy this stuff as a hobbiest but if I could not afford a 4090, I'd still be on my 1080Ti, which can still run the vast majority of what I play just fine, ditto on the 980Ti
@juissi6454 3 күн бұрын
why not wait a while and buy a 5070
@dragonsystems5973 3 күн бұрын
@juissi6454 going from a 3070Ti to another card within only a couple years is what i would define as upgrading for upgrading sake alone... now, there is nothing wrong with that, but im assuming if he is on a previous gen 70 class it most likely means he values gos money too much to justify that kind of upgrading
@dragonsystems5973 3 күн бұрын
@TheRetroRonin oh, also, if I where you I would do some digging and figure out what a 5800X3D could do for you, that might give you all the gains you might feel you need
@stangamer1151 3 күн бұрын
4070 is ~20% faster than 3070 Ti. Plus, it has 50% bigger VRAM buffer, which helps a lot in modern games, if you want to play with max quality textures. But I'd rather consider 4070 Super. This card is only ~10% more expensive than 4070 and provides ~30% uplift over 3070 Ti. Or you could wait for 5070 release, although, judging by it's specs, it will have hard time to even match 4070 Super. Plus, who knows how long you will have to wait until 5070s are available at MSRP...
@EkXander 4 күн бұрын
Thanks for this, playing Cyberpunk on my Xbox and I was thinking of building a 5070 PC since Xbox cant quite make it look as good as it should
@kreatiw134 4 күн бұрын
How many frames does frame generation provides?
@gruntaxeman3740 4 күн бұрын
I've heard that Geforce 4090 struggles in Cities: Skylines II Truth is, hardware is enough but game developers can make really dumb things.
@Sw1ftyboy1 2 күн бұрын
To be fair, cities: skylines 2 is immense when it comes to simultaneously rendering everything at once, like everything is rendered in full 3D even down to the little people
@gruntaxeman3740 2 күн бұрын
They messed up by not having LOD levels. So it actually render people teeth when they have mouths closed, some distance away. Proper way is to have hierarchical LOD levels, starting from city block and going in to details. Rule of thumb is to take care that every triangle size is at least 10 screen pixels.
@ezu8501 Күн бұрын
isn;'t skylines 2 very CPU intensive?
@gruntaxeman3740 Күн бұрын
As far as I know, not at all. Developers just were dumb and shovel everything to viewport and expecting like game engine and GPU automatically take care.
@SnowWhite-o8n 4 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video mate. I currently run an 6700XT with 4790k and 32GB RAM. I want to upgrade and was in doubt between Mac mini with M4 pro (I'm used to working in macOS) or a MOBO/CPU/RAM/GPU upgrade which would cost me about the same. Initially I was planning to just get an 4070 Ti Super and now watching this vid it does seem better for me to get that card for the cheapest solution right? What I'm after is running DAZ 3D or Blender, Generative Ai apps (chat and image generation) and a few games. For games 1080p on max settings would already be enough since I am used to that res. All on my 4k monitor. What would be the best course for me? Mac, Win Upgrade or just the 4070 Ti Super? Thanks in advance!
@dragonsystems5973 4 күн бұрын
@@SnowWhite-o8n well... I consider using the 4070 with a 4790k a stop gap, if you don't go mac I'd look at something like an i5 12600K. I can't speak to mac, sorry
@Chellzammi 3 күн бұрын
M4 pro will do great on Cyberpunk 2077. (Yes, Cyberpunk is going to be ported to mac) M4 Pro GPU has around 7 Teraflops and more games are comming to mac. If you used to work on macOS, stay on macOS. Windows is a pain to work on. macOS is simply beautiful and well made. It always works, never crashes (as opposed to windows) and is tailor made for Apple Silicon. You will get a breezing fast CPU and GPU, perfect for work and for gaming. If you have the money, take the 20 core gpu. If you have any other questions, ask me.
@dragonsystems5973 3 күн бұрын
@Chellzammi ermmmm... what does this video have to do with Mac??
@Chellzammi 3 күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973 the commenter asked about Mac.
@SnowWhite-o8n 3 күн бұрын
Alright, thanks for your input guys! True Windows was a pain when I used it but that was before Win 11. I'm certain Windows has improved (a lot) but still nowhere near the stability of MacOS, not to mention the UI design (workflow) That's the only thing that has hold me back going Windows for all these years. If I was to go Mac Mini I would go 20 core GPU for sure, along with 64 GB RAM, just to make it a bit more future proof and to run LLM offline.
@mmremugamesmm 5 күн бұрын
I like that you content is not a copy and paste of others, you seem to just do whatever you want
@dragonsystems5973 5 күн бұрын
@mmremugamesmm I feel like this is how anyone big gets started, you just randomly make whatever you get an idea for. I have been trying to stay away from in depth benchmarks... I dont have the time, I find the final result quite dry, and soo many channels do them already.. I've also been trying to stay away from gpu pricing controversies, and im trying to show hardware from AMD, Nvidia, and now Intel to avoid the appearance of fanboying
@gruntaxeman3740 3 күн бұрын
Some reason, videos from hardware that is not so common in gamers (including depth benchmarks) is easily more interesting than benchmarking popular game that I have or I can look from friend computer Or, benchmarking together with game engines. Like benchmarking some sample scene with Unreal Engine, Godot and Unity. Hardware can be like anything from Intel integrated from laptop, Steam Deck, Geforce 1650, Geforce 3060, Radeon RX 6700 XT, AMD APU desktop.. or Raspberry Pi 5 :D Because, engines have compilation targets and games are made with those, and working scenes can be imported there.
@makandalp 5 күн бұрын
Amazing video thanks
@rae4756 5 күн бұрын
Is it good to be combo'ed with ryzen 5 5600x. Im looking for a cheap card with maximum performance possible. Thanks for reply.
@dragonsystems5973 5 күн бұрын
@@rae4756 i can't see why not
@rae4756 5 күн бұрын
@dragonsystems5973 ive seen a lot of video saying its broken or doesnt work well with old cpu. As someone who knows very little im a little worried. Thanks mate
@dragonsystems5973 5 күн бұрын
@rae4756 you want to look for whether your board supports "resizable bar" or "ReBar"
@rae4756 5 күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973 yes im using gigabyte b550 ds3h ac. In the web it say it support resizable bar. Again tnx for the reply
@nightlabinteractive8744 6 күн бұрын
Didnt age well lol
@dragonsystems5973 6 күн бұрын
@nightlabinteractive8744 i mean not really... they where overpriced then and still overpriced now
@nightlabinteractive8744 6 күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973 they will remain overpriced till 6000 series cause majority people have dropped 5090 and 50 series in general due to very negligible uplift.
@dragonsystems5973 6 күн бұрын
@nightlabinteractive8744 i think there is no way to know what's going to happen... but keep in mind, part of the argument i made was that one component of purchasing a card like a 4090 is having the best. At the time I made this video, you only had a month left, and the 4090 was still minimum like $1799... from that point of view, even at $2500 a 5090 would be a better option
@nightlabinteractive8744 6 күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973 I bought an Aorus Master 4090 for around 1900usd equivalent 3 weeks before launch, an equivalently good variant of a 5090 is costing roughly 3000$ after tax if by miracle a person can find it. 1100$ more for a 27-30% uplift ain't worth it for my at least. Had I waited for Nvidia event I would have lost this card and now there's none in the market and a 5080 has gimped vram for my use cases so again only overpaying for a 5090 would have been the only option.
@nightlabinteractive8744 6 күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973 Your analysis is spot on looking at all generations from Nvidia over the last decade, but it's the first time an 80 class GPU is struggling to keep up with a 90 class of last gen.
@Sholto27 6 күн бұрын
That issue with discord is extremely easy to fix and it is well documented a 1 min google would have helped u
@Sholto27 7 күн бұрын
How will this card work with my i5-13500
@dragonsystems5973 6 күн бұрын
@@Sholto27 i bet it would be a great pairing with that chip... my 13900k is kinda overkill
@darklesstube9430 7 күн бұрын
Big Thank you
@Browningate 7 күн бұрын
It's great on phones (in the form of Android). For everything else though, it's not that great.
@Averagedude-mi3fl 7 күн бұрын
Running the peerless assassin 120se, similar cooler to to this one. Great cooler for the money.
@dragonsystems5973 7 күн бұрын
@Averagedude-mi3fl Yeah, so far 8n the limited testing I've done, under max load the 4790K I've got it on seems to max out at around 70c under load... I think that's like a solid 20c under the stock heating, but it obviously does so much more quietly... I've also got an ultra cheap Thermalright 360 AIO I need to test... but I might switch to these ultra cheapos for all my own stuff if it's the same or close to my fancy Corsair stuff
@RobertFixit 7 күн бұрын
I love overkill heat sinks. I had one like that in my stock dell 3rd gen. It is just fun to look at. I think you were referring to socket 1366, the old first gen. It is the same spacing just wider. Most brackets still have a wide enough hole for them.
@dragonsystems5973 7 күн бұрын
Yeah, it does not have claimed 1366 support. I believe it also does not have claimed 1155 support, which is second and third gen. I bought it as a cheap option for my 4Gen ultimate build that I am going to be using for period accurate GPU testing for Keppler as well as some Maxwell stuff... ill probably throw some modern cards in as well just because so many people still have 4th gen hardware.
@RobertFixit 7 күн бұрын
@ I have swapped coolers between 3rd and 4th as far as I remember. That is why many brackets say 115x. I have both right here I will double check. But if you look and see a wider hole, thats 1366.
@dragonsystems5973 7 күн бұрын
@RobertFixit im building dedicated machines for each generation so I have a build to just grab and drop a card in it, so I'm just buying coolers for each as needed, so when I buy them I just hunt down something advertised as working with the specific socket I'm building with
@Ali-sx7cn 8 күн бұрын
The fan cable connector is facing upwards in the video but i installed it facing downwards is that a problem i should be worried about
@dragonsystems5973 7 күн бұрын
@@Ali-sx7cn they do need to be plugged in properly. I dont know if it would actually damage anything though
@Ali-sx7cn 7 күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973ohh sry i probably explained it wrongfully😅 what i mean is The fan in my case is installed upside down compared to what was shown in your video. Because of this, the wire is coming out from underneath the fan instead of the usual position i assume. It's just the wire placement that’s different, so I’m not sure if it’s an issue-I just thought I’d mention it 😅
@dragonsystems5973 7 күн бұрын
@@Ali-sx7cn So, as long as the airflow direction is toward the back you should be fine. I tend to try to install the fans in such a way that I can most effectively high the fan wires, its just an OCD thing
@Ali-sx7cn 7 күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973 ohhh ok, i did test the air flow its towards the front panel of the case.
@dragonsystems5973 7 күн бұрын
@@Ali-sx7cn you want the air flow pointing toward the back exhaust fan... unless you have your case set up to exhaust out the front
@JamesLikesToGame 9 күн бұрын
Question I am trying to remove the back fan where the VGA, HDMI and Display port are. Do I have to remove the motherboard in order to access it. If so, how do I do that?
@dragonsystems5973 9 күн бұрын
@JamesLikesToGame i apologize it has been many years since I worked on these abs I dont have one handy, I've pretty much moved to dealing with custom gaming systems at this point
@irpanfauzi1160 9 күн бұрын
i tought its Fake its EXIST for MY phone and Steam Deck Deck
@flasioryojinakanishi191 9 күн бұрын
Thank you Man! your video was very helpful! greetings from Brazil!
@MikeMillz-s6m 10 күн бұрын
Goddamn man do you have to talk so fucking much just open the damn case
@macsmith2013 10 күн бұрын
Nice! I'm seriously considering trying an ARC for a bugdet gaming PC I'm planning to built soon-ish.
@arctic_void 12 күн бұрын
Great review and points made. Although I did notice you ran the test with Vsync 60. I'm not sure, but doesn't that limit the performance a bit?
@dragonsystems5973 12 күн бұрын
@arctic_void not sure why you assume that, it even clearly went over 60fps a few times
@dragonsystems5973 12 күн бұрын
I just looked, im not sure why it says that, but i saw it hit over 70, so it deffinitely isn't locked at 60, but thats all I can say
@arctic_void 12 күн бұрын
@@dragonsystems5973 I didn't assume, I posed a question. On my setup Vsync clearly locks my fps to 58-64 instead of 140. Just pointing out a detail, might be a software bug?
@dragonsystems5973 12 күн бұрын
@arctic_void like I said, im not sure what's going on... toward the end it hits upward of 80
@dragonsystems5973 12 күн бұрын
That said, there was no "process" here, this was really only intended as a playability demo. When i do more in depth testing with the low end builds this is actually intended for ill look deeper into it
@Mr.Imabacon 12 күн бұрын
Hello
@stevebuttner4642 12 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. I was a little put off, however, when I realized I was taking car advice from a bloke who "thinks" he may have a nail in his tire. For the love of Pete, get that looked at!
@dragonsystems5973 12 күн бұрын
@stevebuttner4642 i have no idea whatvyou ate talking about. I have never had a nail in the tire on this car, and I made this video like 6 years ago man... you are the first person with a problem