We think that mel and maris are the sane person! Her having all those plastic surgery appointments. They sound more like a doctor than a patient!

These two had sexier chemistry than Niles and Daphne ever did. Prove me wrong! It's a bit sinister but search your feelings, you'll know it's true.

The ultimate trap. A sexy woman who is just a tiny bit bossy, tiny bit manipulative and a hint of controlling is the ones we fall in love with, but then their sanity disappears.

She’s a master manipulator

can't believe it's Bonnie, Wilson's second ex-wife in House MD!

Mel Markle and Niles Windsor-Mountbatten.

I love this scene. We get insight into Mel. One the one hand she does believe that Niles could be an even greater man, but only if she's at the helm. She's loyal to him but in a manipulative way. Like a modern Lady MacBeth without the murderous tendency. Either way Jane Adams is such a great actress.

I always thought Mel was so beautiful

I’m not sure if it was every pointed out but I wonder if the conversation of them marrying happened like this. Before Niles spent the weekend with Mel, Niles told Frasier he worried Mel will bring up moving in together which Niles was hesitant to do but after he returned, Niles said he and Mel starting talking how it made more sense to marry. It’s likely Mel manipulated Niles to marriage as she did in this scene for Niles to run for corkmaster.

It is like watching Meghan Markle and Harry. 😂

He almost grabbed her BOOB

Hahaha she is so bad

I think Marris was probably a better wife LOL!! Though, to imagine that Marris was exactly like Mel, is to finally put a face on what Marris would have looked like. Awesome performance of a manipulative (powerful?) woman, though I wonder if Niles would have become much more successful had she allowed himself to be pushed by her :)

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Mel being a plastic surgeon is the perfect metaphor to how she is as a person. She takes advantage of the rich, elite, and vain... cutting away pieces to make a supposedly better person but leaves them looking horribly disfigured in the pursuit of perfection.

Jane Adams is a terrific actor, but Mel is a bloody horrible person.

Trifflin

I always hated her.

Jane Adams is wonderful at playing such a two faced character.

Mel was so beautiful

Classic manipulator

Women are the backbone of all achievements of man. It's great to have a real woman in your corner.

I always preferred the relationship of Niles and Mel to Niles and Daphne. They had mutual interests and eccentricities, and Mel’s “manipulativeness” brought out the best in Niles and helped him grow as a person. Plus she (and Donny as well) was an interesting character I would have loved to see more of. If they had gone the Cheers and BBT routes and expanded the main cast to include Mel and Donny as regulars married to Niles and Daphne respectively, I think it would have opened up some interesting story possibilities. Plus it would be more realistic and relatable. I would have liked to see all four continue to grow as characters and as people, thanks to each other. Niles and Daphne were a typical “opposites attract” cliche that started off with Niles being a creepy stalker having lecherous thoughts about a strange woman while he was married, and ended up with him cheating on his wife to steal Daphne from the altar and destroying two good marriages. I hated it.

Two things about this scene bug me. First of all, Mel in general. I get that the writers WANT us to dislike her, but she's so over the top obnoxious, how can Niles want anything to do with her? It defies reality. A psychiatrist, of all people, would run like the wind. Secondly, no POSSIBLE way would Niles not wear a tie clip!

Women manipulative? surely not

I cant deny he looks better after she changed his clothes and of course he should be going for the role how did he never even think of it?

Hyde Peirce is genius in this role. He embodies Niles like no other actor has ever embodied a character. Only actor who come close is Michael Richards from Seinfeld. Nobody could have embodied Kramer like he did. It's too bad he threw it all away.

Well Educated Men who marry THIS Type of Woman, are SOCIAL CLIMBING Masochists who EVENTUALLY become Sadists Themselves.

Hot take but Mel did want the best for Niles. Her actions weren’t simply to instigate. Yes she wanted her man to be the cork master since it would benefit her, but she did make valid points. Instead of being manipulative, she should have told Niles straight up that he deserved it.

What’s funny is that Niles was the more brilliant one over Frasier but was more naive, more easily manipulated and less self aware. More book smart but less street smart. I feel that his inclination towards evil women was almost a coping mechanism to dealing with an older brother who outshone him in notoriety and recognition. They took advantage of him but gave him the appearance of having a successful, discerning partner which helped him compete with Frasier.

I never liked Mel.

Wow. Gaslighting.

What episode Frasier Mel And Niles imitate each other ?

She played him like a violin. Completely manipulative with complements and ego stroking sprinkled in for seasoning.

She was poison right from day 1. Terrible character too, SHE WASNT FUNNY

Frasier is Shakespearean and one of the best stories ever written. This particular scene made me think of the relationship between Lady Macbeth and Macbeth. Though I do feel really sorry for Mel. I’ve watched Frasier many times from start to finish, however it’s only recently that I found myself disliking how the writers wrote her character. I agree she was unlikable at first but towards the end of series 7, she really was caring and began to open up a bit more. I also found myself disliking Niles and Daphne. In my opinion, a better storyline would have been over the course of the eighth series, Niles and Mel drifted apart after Mel deep down knew how close Daphne and Niles really were. They could have had Niles and Mel parting as friends.

I want a Mel in my life

I always liked Mel, until Niles turned to Daphne and she became outright evil. But I can’t even blame her for that, the way she was dumped was just humiliating.

While she's very manipulative, I actually rather like the character of Mel.

Lady Macbeth!

2:30 little look at the camera lens ;)

Is that an example of passive aggressive?

Mel was a manipulating evil bitch. Loved it when Niles tells her off.

I can't blame Mel for trying to make her Man better and give him confidence to succeed. Behind every great man is a great woman.

I put up with Mel to have her for a wife

Just hated Mel so much

Mel was just.....not attractive. My opinion. And this scene showed just how manipulative she really was. Even without Daphnie, she was not a good choice for a wife

Brown tie with a blue coat... i don't think so :-)

I'll just say what most people have already said; the character was wicked, but the actress is cute

As I've gotten older, I feel bad for the character, Mel. Not the greatest human being, but she did care for Niles and believed he could be better(her version of better). She did inspire him to after what he wanted, but put aside for Fraiser.