It is artificial but less artificial than samples IMHO. For ensembles it's the other way around still. I prefer samples for ensembles above physical modeling.

Thanks for listening. Yes I think so too. A little bit of sample, probably the attack portion makes it more realistic.

I put this kind of comparison video's up as opinionless as I can, but I'll totally agree with you. Since I play more pop/jazz/hybrid than classical music, I have a slight preference for SWAM. But if I wanted more realism, I probably would use VWinds or Aaron Venture's Infinite Woodwinds, which didn't participate in this comparison.

Perhaps but this was a 'Non scientific comparison' I am not that interested in making them exactly similar. I see these as different Clarinets with different ways of playing. You have to find the sweet spots of these instruments, sweet spot in sound and learn a way of playing that brings out these sweet spots. And you have to get acquainted with the configuration inside these instruments. Experimentation with different settings in the DAW, panning, reverb can definitely also help with that. All depends also a lot on style. For Klezmer and Jazz I prefer SWAM. For classical and more restrained music I prefer Acoustic Samples. When I listen back to the video after 3 months I prefer SWAM for this Gerschwin fragment (Jazz/Klezmer mixture). Even without the 100% wetness of the reverb signal! :-)

It's out now

It's out, but unlike previous times, they haven't (yet) updated their main page with the new product, so you have to look for it.

Thanks Temme!

Thanks! I'll agree about the strings, but that midi part was just given. I did nothing with it to improve it, to rearrange it, divide it in separate sections etc.. But that was also not the point of this 'experiment'.. This was making Infinite Brass and SWAM sound good and believable compared with the original. And I think it was ok. 🙂

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Swam is the only one with a modeled string library AFAIK. v3 is much better than v2, but it works best for solos. I know they also released a "string sections" plugin but I haven't gotten the chance to check it out.

Sorry for my late reply. Somehow I missed your remark. Yes the AcousticSamples can't go to fff. For solo strings, I find it hard to get a good tone out of the SWAM solo strings. I think the ones from Sample Modeling are better. But for that library I don't really like playing in the shorts. Too much tweaking is needed to make them sound good.

Good question. Yes I think it's possible. If listened to a lot of bass clarinet. (mostly modern classical music performed by dutch performer Harry Sparnaay). You should also check out the video 'Fast, light tonguing on bass clarinet' on this channel www.youtube.com/@earspasm for a more classical take. Thanks for your response!

@@Peethoven Cool, I'll check it out!

For classical music, I think you're right and the ones for AS sound more natural although they are missing a good forte layer. And if you're looking for a Klezmer of Balkan Clarinet, AS sounds to tame to my taste and the SWAM one is a better fit. But YMMV. Thanks for your response!

I think I'll agree to a certain extent. The 'not so good programming' was actually 'not so good playing'. I never used more than two takes. No editing afterwards. The latency of Aaron Ventures Infinite Woodwinds made it harder to play. The SWAM could use a little more vibrato on some notes. But I don't think it sounds synthetic and it has a beautiful quack that the others are missing. :-) The Acoustic Samples is indeed the best all-rounder. In plonkability and in sound.

Thanks! That worked out well.

🙂 Glad to be of help!

I write all kinds of music. You can find some examples here: www.youtube.com/@Peethoven/videos No soundcloud.

Thank you! If you mean if it's possible to play staccato with SWAM strings? Sure. You can do that without key-switches. Just play them shorter. If you want arcs, you have to mold the notes (vibrato and expression) and the phrasing during playing, I use a breath controller for expression and the modulation wheel for vibrato) although it's also possible to adapt the notes after recording.

Version 3 the latest.

@@Peethoven thank you. really nice track, btw. thanks for putting the demo together!

@@swancakes Thank you! Glad to be helpful. And the exact version was 3.7.1.

Thank you that's very kind!

Yeah maybe, but I always found v2. not as aggresive sounding as v1. So even now I use v1. more for solo instruments.

@@Peethoven Interesting. I find v1 much more synthetic-sounding than v2, but I see your point.

@@TheUnderscore_ I also use v.2. It depends on the style which one I choose. I tried to recreate the 'aggresiveness' in 2 but I didn't succeed.

Thanks. Great description. I love it when people notice these things.

Glad to be of help! Although I'm now curious what you decided and on what grounds? 🙂

@@Peethoven I decided on the VWinds. I like the sound of them, more so than the others. I know Aaron Venture is working on an update for his Woodwinds (and Brass, too), but, as of now, I like VWinds sound more.

@@LloydeSorrow Good choice! If you have to spend your money once, this is the one I should also choose. Although in some ways the SWAM has also it's qualities. You can have more pronounced attacks with it. The one from Aaron Venture sounds the most natural, but I can't play defined thrills with it. It has the most latency of the tree, but hopefully the update will improve on that. Enjoy your choice and make music with it. I checked out your channel, very good!

@@Peethoven for the trills, you should keep one note and trill only the other one, like a wind player does (you play the trill in the video like a keyboard player :-)

I tried myself the three libraries, Acousticsamples sounds very good with some reverb, but Aaron Venture is very good too. I love Aaron Venture Clarinets, I wonder if I need the new clarinets from AS... 😀

You're right. I just checked my Logic Pro session. I used the "BBO glacier - VelXF sus" patch. It's in the free BBO.

@@Peethoven thank you 🙏

Soundwise: Sample Modeling Strings wins, For fast playing something in, playability Audio Modeling (SWAM) wins. In the end I would choose Sample Modeling Strings, I would work around the playability and the old interface and I love the sound of these instruments.

how old do they blend? I have all of the Audio Modeling libraries, sans the sections, but only the first generation of Sample Modeling brass &. I've arranged some pretty convincing funk brass sections with both.

Thanks! github.com/maartenvdp/patches/blob/master/README.md for the lick in notes

Dank je wel!

LMAO

For now! I bought SM Solo Strings, but I doubt they're gonna be better than AM for that many more years. Here's to hoping that-once physical modeling is indistinguishable from samples-they rejoin so as to give users of either library the full deal!