I would say the SE8 sounded slightly more vivid and quicker on transients. Just when I would think the Neuman had a little bit of a more creamy mid range on piano, the SE8 comes along and matches it. In my opinion, with price, not being a factor or name, I’d say overall I prefer the sound of the SE8. Maybe put the money saved towards a decent pair of omnidirectional small diaphragms.
@jonathanfegel307Күн бұрын
@@ertatta they also have Omni capsules for the SE8’s. I’ve been thinking about getting a set.
@ertattaКүн бұрын
Holy cow, I guess I need to educate myself on this company and their product lineup a bit more. Had no idea these were modular like my Schoeps or AKG C480’s. I appreciate the info and your fantastic and comprehensive shootout!
@jjantson8030Ай бұрын
The sE8 has a slightly more scooped mids sound which in this case makes nearly every test sound just a hair better than the KM184 imo. I’m sure the KM184 is more accurate to the room; however the sE8 is doing what I would be EQing out of the km184 had I’d been processing any of these tracks out.
@jonathanfegel307Ай бұрын
Interesting observation
@darrinsiberia2 ай бұрын
se8 on drum overhead had more low end or maybe you played the bass drum louder on that take. hard to tell. anyway. i think what most people will get from this video is that... while there ARE differences... they are pretty subtle. anybody out there saying KM184 "blows away" Se8 is just justifying why they spent so much on them. i think i'd rather have four Se8 than 1 KM184!
@jonathanfegel3072 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! I only played the instrument once. For the video I played it back twice, once with KM184’s active, and once with the SE8’s active. Any differences you hear are the mics. You are right about subtle differences, and it comes down to what your budget and goals are.
@jbezzly42 ай бұрын
Your vids are awesome!! Keep going!!
@christianlacheze33233 ай бұрын
Excellent video in all respects, thanks very much!
@bassinblue4 ай бұрын
I honestly, barely heard a difference (Heard through my speakers in my studio). I'm definitely going for the SE. Neumann has lost their minds.
@christianlacheze33233 ай бұрын
If you can’t hear a difference then you should definitely buy the se8! To me, even using my iPad Pro’s speakers, there is a definite difference: more clarity, more depth, more detail with the KM184
@snipperacoustics4 ай бұрын
The SE8 has a bit more colour where the KM184 is very neutral. However based on price anyone on a tighter budget I would highly recommend the SE8 certainly not a a $450 difference!
@andretim754 ай бұрын
for me the differences were especially noticeable with the acoustic guitar and the mandolin samples ! Here the Neumann sound just quite a bit better, more accurate, more vivid in a realistic way !!
@anatol12045 ай бұрын
Which one do you think is closer to the original sound of the instrument - amp ? Personally i <<feel>> something in the middle?
@jonathanfegel3074 ай бұрын
Hard to say. I thought they both did a good job of representing the amplifier. Both would work in a mix :)
@geofflongford20085 ай бұрын
The neuman is dark and woody with subtle oak and raspberry overtones. The SE has a more rounded floral bouquet with hints of melon and vanilla overtones.
@michaelbooz5 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@jonathanfegel3075 ай бұрын
At last, a truly cultivated ear who can appreciate the fine nuances. But, musk or honeydew?
@michaelbooz4 ай бұрын
Great and informative video Jonathan!! Thx for making! :-)@@jonathanfegel307
@lavvafimusic86185 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thanks!
@MrNicknayme6 ай бұрын
That’s not ORTF.
@jonathanfegel3076 ай бұрын
Good eye! It's not a perfect ortf. Capsule spacing is close to 17cm, but angle is off.
@Marshall_EL348 ай бұрын
@Jonathan Fegel - Thank you.
@MoreLurchiness8 ай бұрын
Great Demo Jon! I even like a 57 better for my voice than a 58.
@jonathanfegel3078 ай бұрын
Thanks! They are great mics! Very impressive what they can pickup.
@progressivelibertarian25709 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@revevague625611 ай бұрын
Great playing! Both sound fantastic to me.
@abdulrahmanmohammed423 Жыл бұрын
LOL Amazing , Thank you, I LOVED IT
@sounds_like_matt Жыл бұрын
Have you found a way to use midi with this set up?
@jonathanfegel307 Жыл бұрын
I haven't tried that yet. I wonder what that would be like. I found this article about it: help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209071169-Setting-up-a-virtual-MIDI-network
@abracadabra1550 Жыл бұрын
Have anyone else noticed how it's always popular to like the most affordable product in comments? 😂😂😂
@jonathanfegel307 Жыл бұрын
🤣
@jameschandler4711 Жыл бұрын
Great video! It's refreshing to hear a mic shootout on a variety of instruments, each of which is a nice sounding instrument and played with a beautiful musical feel. I thought the mics were very very similar
@jonathanfegel307 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you found it helpful :)
@daniannaci3258 Жыл бұрын
Great, enjoyable, video, BTW!
@daniannaci3258 Жыл бұрын
When I was shopping for small condenser mics for use in location recording of choirs, orchestras, concert (wind) bands, I was seeking the least bright sounding of the bunch and the SE 8’s won out by a not inconsiderable margin. High frequency harmonics generated by live, non-amplified instruments and voices can sound harsh in a digital recording and are almost impossible to remedy in post. The SE8 was the best in this regard of the many I compared and believe me, there is no loss in detail. Spend (some of) the $1k+ difference on a better microphone pre-amp or mixer. If I was still recording on open-reel analog tape, the situation might be different…
@deonlee73532 жыл бұрын
Just curious - did you have your sE first and then the Neumann’s?
@jonathanfegel3072 жыл бұрын
Actually, the other way around. KM184s then got the SE8s.
@robertfontaine36502 жыл бұрын
No on will complain about the SE8 but KM184 is fuller.
@timcolgan26992 жыл бұрын
Use a metronome. 😁
@photronic2 жыл бұрын
Great comparisons, but even though SDC, a voice comparison would also be useful.
@jonathanfegel3072 жыл бұрын
Ooo boy. I'd have to rally for that one.... Good suggestion!
@kitarnovainfo59392 жыл бұрын
Thank You, so useful!
@Letsthinkthisthrough882 жыл бұрын
So close, personally my ears preferred the Se mics. A matched set of the Neumanns are $1K more than the Se’s - how much of an increase in audio quality are you getting for that…? I would need to listen to this again and again on different monitors - but on first pass the Se’s ring true in my ears. Great comparison. Well done.
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th Жыл бұрын
Se mics sound clean and natural.
@gunjabeans2 жыл бұрын
The very top end of the se8 sounds artificial to me and also like there is body missing in the mids. sE makes good stuff but the Neumann KM184 is STILL the small diaphragm condenser microphone all others are compared to, and it's NOT just because it says, "Neumann", on it. It is because the 184 is a very honest mic. Cool studio BTW! I really enjoyed the chicken pickin' tune you played on the electric!
@jonathanfegel3072 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!! KM184 is a great mic no doubt about it :)
@niles83522 жыл бұрын
My ears from M50x said KM184 is a litle bit clean than SE8. both is not very different in terms of sound. But in terms of budget I think that make our easy to decide. Sure, the sound was very clean that it was easy to mix.
@travelthebest26762 жыл бұрын
I can here a difference even in this KZbin compressed video. The 184 sounds much better. The Se8 has much less detail sounds blurred and little focus. Good for the price tho
@zuider772 жыл бұрын
I thought se8 sounded a tad more recessed in the mids than the Neumann, but otherwise they were quite close! Excellent job!
@MDRNMDCN2 жыл бұрын
Have a pair of both and they're both great mics! In a mix, I can't tell which SDC is on which instrument. Definitely prefer the 184s on the Uke.
@richholoch82302 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much. Very useful. SE8's easily the best bang for the buck. Nice to see at such a lower cost you are getting a decent product. In some cases each shined.
@kinnej2 жыл бұрын
Great song and presentation!
@jonathanfegel3072 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Hope to make more!
@delsurmusic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the test. I think you sound very honest and I agree with you final conclusion. I Personally would pick the S8 because I think it sounds a little sweeter to my ears. Also you can interchange capsules to make them omni and you also have a pad switch and HPF. Great job sir, I will watch more of your videos!.
@jonathanfegel3072 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I hope to make more soon.
@johngerardmusic77612 жыл бұрын
I preferred the Se8’s in every instance. They had a “sweeter” sound to me.
@drumforfun192 жыл бұрын
I also felt like it had better / more present low end, which I liked.
@KloderTX2 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison. I actually preferred the SE8 on the guitar and mando, but the one place the high end bump of the KM184, and maybe transients, stuck out (admittedly, old ears here) was on the drums, where you were tapping on the ride. Whether that would be a plus or minus might depend on the mix. Pretty well sold me on the SE8s. Thanks.
@user-ft1nq8nn3n2 жыл бұрын
The piano sounds like it’s 100 years old
@jonathanfegel3072 жыл бұрын
It is!
@mengskenon80903 жыл бұрын
sE8 has softer transient. and I don't know why but sE 8 has more "natural" room sounding to me. especially piano and drum.
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th Жыл бұрын
You are correct. Se mics sound natural.
@aeproducedbyequiano22163 жыл бұрын
from experience I know that this mic placement for an A-B comparison is too close for guitar. Even at 2ft / 0.6m you can clearly hear the difference and one pair will sound worse than the other, even if they are all the same mics. Try it out - you'll be surprised.
@jonathanfegel3073 жыл бұрын
Thanks AE for your comment. Are you referring to the vertical distance between the capsules as cause for discrepancy? I'm trying to make sure I understand your comment. Thanks!
@aeproducedbyequiano22163 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanfegel307 yes, exactly. The vertical distance between the two mics is too big. Within in less than 0.6m / 2ft a deviation of 3-4 cm/1-1.5" is sufficient to hear differences due to the mic placement. I would have placed the microphones on a horizontal axis, because if you move the mic vertically, the sound changes rather quickly. Add to this the "acoustic shadow" created by the adjacent microphone, which further alters the sound noticeably. You did a good job, unfortunately these comparisons are almost impossible to get right, and we never get to hear the real sound of the mic itself, unless we record a number of takes with each mic, but that brings in others problems of course. But that's nothing new: To really get to know a microphone one MUST use it for - say - 20hrs in a variety of situations and positions. I personally like the SE8 a lot, but if you move it closer to the strings of a guitar you can hear how they begin to smear, sounds like what I would call a "transient overload", which doesn't occur with the KM184 - they remain clean and retain a good "string separation" , which emphasizes the aforementioned fact, that each mic behaves differently in varying circumstances. Keep the good work up and thanks again for your efforts!!!
@dummy00000003 жыл бұрын
184's make him sound like he plays better. Everything else is fixable.
@kaiserwilhelmii18273 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that a pair of Klm184s is like 4 more expensive than a pair of sm8s
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th Жыл бұрын
Everyone knows.
@MonitorSmith3 жыл бұрын
The KM184 are slightly better defined in the upper mids/low highs, more "open" I'd say - though this seems to even out a bit with higher sound pressure (drums). Impressive actually with the SE8 sounding so equal and rounded.
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th Жыл бұрын
Both mic are good. Se sounfs a little cleaner at high end.
@ruanhdo3 жыл бұрын
Klm 184 Is better for acoustic guitar
@aaronfriedman82013 жыл бұрын
It sounds bad. You seem to be using bad cables. What recorder did you use?
@jonathanfegel3073 жыл бұрын
Hey Aaron, not sure which part you're referring to, but Apollo 8p is my recorder. What are you listening through?
@matthill2633 жыл бұрын
The SE8s sound a bit 'woolly' to me.
@jonathanfegel3073 жыл бұрын
I thought it was a bit more "bully" myself....;)
@matthill2633 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanfegel307 I know woolly is a bit abstract.. in technical terms i'd say they have less definition in the treble and high mids and a bump in the low mids somewhere.
@jonathanfegel3073 жыл бұрын
@@matthill263 I'm just messing around :) I was referencing Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs.
@kerokero30823 жыл бұрын
I actually found them to be a bit 'cooly'
@imageofsin2 жыл бұрын
@@kerokero3082 I'm selling my 184s, but i think they have a little bit more 'hair' ;)
@zaim_ipek3 жыл бұрын
SE8 has significantly better lows and slightly softer transients in the highs. The harder transients of the 184 probably translate to sharper detail. But that can easily be "too much" detail on aggressive sounding sources. For instance, the uke had some very harsh pick noise that sounded more soft and pleasant with the Se8. For the guitar cab, it felt like the KM184 was losing a lot of low end information, but some of that low end came back to life with the SE8. I disagree with one being "better" than the other. It's more of determining the specific application. Due to the better low end, the SE8 is probably better on a wider variety of sources. But on specific instruments where you want to maximize upper-mid and treble detail, the KM184 would probably be better. A good example is drum overheads. If you are close-micing the drums, you probably want the 184 because it will emphasize the cymbals slightly more while rolling off more of the low end information. But if all you have is overheads and a kick mic with maybe a snare mic, then you want the SE8 to capture more of the low end from the toms. My point is that statements like "this microphone is better" are very unhelpful and also untrue. Once you get into this level of quality, microphones are not simply better or worse. They are just more specialized to one application or another and it's a problem of finding which is best suited to the specific job and not which is "better".
@jonathanfegel3073 жыл бұрын
Good comment!
@zaim_ipek3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanfegel307 Good video!
@RWKirby-gk7mk3 жыл бұрын
Great Video Thanks
@Pule123453 жыл бұрын
Both microphones sound quite similar - SE8 softer transient, KM clearer midrange.