Byzantines is one of the top civs and totally beginner friendly. In fact it’s the fastest way to actually learn the fundamentals because you don’t have a eco bonus crutch. The byz vision and buildings grant error forgiveness. It’s honestly super easy to play and win with imo. You have great answers for everything and you counter every civ and no civ counters you. Even meso civs can be easily stopped by going 1 TC with defensive castle and relying on UU.
@lukasvideosify1596Ай бұрын
I am already looking forward to what you will send me! And then I shall make the video very fast. :)
@lukasvideosify1596Ай бұрын
When you sned me a game, polease make sure it goes. There is virtually nothing I could tell you to make your dark age or feudal better. I might actually even fast forward to Castle Age because before that I have not much to say. (Except of course you do a wild vil fight or stuff like that.)
@lukasvideosify1596Ай бұрын
Thank you for the advice for the early game! I learned that 3 villager start when I started into the game in HD version. Back then I almost only played Spanish. For the Spanish that is by the way the suggested start. When you do this with a "normal" civ you get 2 seconds of idle time on the TC. THat is why it is so frowned about in the pro scene. But for me the build order works quite well because not only do I save some building time but also I often got housed in the past. Having 20 pop space, right away, is kind of helpful for me. But I still take your criticism, of course. . About the straggler trees: I am always fast on stragglers because I mainly want to free the space so I can place farms, later on. And on this map farming space was a valuable ressource. But you already told me last time that taking stragglers too soon is not good gameplay. Next time I send my dudes to the lumbercamp! ;-)
@lukasvideosify1596Ай бұрын
56:20 It is so funny when I actually tell the other Dude to resign! xD I am not in the friendliest tone, again. I think I had a bad temper day, anyways. But then again playing on with like ten villagers is quite a moronic thing to do. Actually, it is even kind of treolling.
@lukasvideosify1596Ай бұрын
50:22 JUst realizing how toxic I am! xD I usually am a nice guy in the game. But sometimes when people just boom and so on, I can be a diva in deep need of a Snickers... 🤣😂
@lukasvideosify1596Ай бұрын
44:13 You are getting confused, buddy! xD
@lukasvideosify1596Ай бұрын
One thing I notice at the start: You do not show the game but instead break down how to best play the map. I think that is an interesting way of approaching this. But this makes the video more like a guide "from 1.000 ELO to 1.200 ELO". For me it would be more helpful if you just show the game and then pause from time to time to explain things.
@lukasvideosify1596Ай бұрын
I already feel flattered after the intro when you call me "my good German friend" !!! :D
@Dynamic-cy8wnАй бұрын
This is gold darwin, I need to use these!
@Dynamic-cy8wnАй бұрын
Okay darwin.
@lukasvideosify15962 ай бұрын
Why did you beep the one mod?
@deutscher1a3 ай бұрын
5:32 it also reveals all kings
@Dawnrim3 ай бұрын
True, though if you're playing Regicide, and there are kings included, the tech is renamed 'Treason' and the cost is different.
@deutscher1a3 ай бұрын
@@Dawnrim true, but if you want to be this precice: It lets you see the LOS of every player for 100 gold x vill they have Since its cost would be an effect in this case 11
@lukasvideosify15963 ай бұрын
PS: Am I the two-handed swordsman or the Seargent?
@Dawnrim3 ай бұрын
@@lukasvideosify1596 don’t know! Both are up for grabs. Make your pick :)
@lukasvideosify15963 ай бұрын
@@Dawnrim Haha! THen I take the Searjeant! I don't pack quite the punch a two-handed Swordsman has, but I can take a lot of beating and I have a talent for building things.
@lukasvideosify15963 ай бұрын
Hey man! I love your intro with the music that you underlayed. :) And thank you for linking my channel! :D
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
Was it actually your plan to cut through the trees with your lumberjacks or is that just my twisted assumption? :)
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
It was more fun to watch the game from your perspective.... 11
@Dawnrim4 ай бұрын
I had a good morning. Most things were falling into place. I don't think this will necessarily turn out the same way if we replay - especially with more practice for you as you mentioned in the post-game summary.
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
@@Dawnrim Yeah, I will do my best! I managed to climb to 1200. 1300 or even 1400 is still doable. ;-)
@phnxx53014 ай бұрын
mate u doubt hera??????
@Dawnrim4 ай бұрын
zero respect 11 but to be completely honest, while most of his analysis is solid, and he has tons of experience both from his own games and from coaching, I don't always agree with his takes on what goes on down on the lower levels. And I kinda have the numbers to back me up... the stats don't lie.. To be fair there might be a difference between 'best civ to win games on lower levels' which is what the stats portray and 'best civ to become a better player starting from lower levels' which might be what Hera is generally talking about when he picks out good beginner civs. Right now for instance, Sicilians are #3 for best performing civs from 850 - 1000 elo. I bet that's because they slap down their castles in people's faces and force resigns that way. Or maybe Donjon+Serjeants rushes. Hera probably don't want more Dauts and YouPuddings among the up and coming players, so he doesn't endorse that as a good choice, even if the stats say it is. Sorry for the article answer to your comparatively very short question - I think I need a follow up video here..
@darkranger1164 ай бұрын
ngl, ive never played with small trees and dont use the auto-farm placement, makes the game feel too weird for me
@Dawnrim4 ай бұрын
Playing without small trees would be a struggle for me now, but I see what you mean. You certainly do give up some of the esthetics. I haven't moved to auto-farm placement myself yet. Not really for any better reason than being lazy in my case though.
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
I once had a game where my opponent was shit taling me from the start and making rude jokes about me once the game started to tilt in his favor. I then walled in all my villagers in all corners of the map to then leave for the restroom and let him play there on his own for another 12min. Is that also bad behaviour or just a justified revenge on his behaviour?
@Dawnrim4 ай бұрын
Oh. I didn't realize there was potential to turn this into an AITAH section. My take is the best approach is always to be the bigger person and either ignore or counter with something in the chat yourself - preferably some coup de grace one liner that blows him out of the water. If you can't come up with something really good - better to be quiet though. Best of all is of course to actually win the game, but that is obviously not always possible. If you slap a layer of carefree 'I'm elevated above your petty trash' on top of a win, like telling him wp or something, just to rub in how much better of a person you are, I give points for that. Now, in the situation where you're truly frustrated and unable to win - I wouldn't call you a big BMer for walling your villagers in. I'm just doubting how much of a revenge it really is. I think your opponent can feel your frustration through your actions and he knows he's grinding your nerves with his behavior if you 'retaliate' like that. I think you're feeding into his behavior more so than taking revenge. Revenge is best served with an army in his base, but second best is just a 'gg' as if you didn't even read what he wrote, and then alt+f4. Leave him wondering if you even know English (or whatever language he insulted you in).
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
@@Dawnrim Yeah, I would not give a "gg" in such a case. My normal behaviour would be jujst resigning and then reprot for verbal abuse. But sometimes people need to be trolled. I once had that in HD Version. The dude already had a really stupid name. Somehting like "Adolf Bin Laden". He once trolled me with a sneak on Black Forest. I had my revenge three months later by playing the same game with teh same settings but this time I trolled him with his own startegy! xD
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
Please excuxe all the many typos. My new laptop is still new to me and I have sometimes trouble working the keys out.
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
It was interesting to see how you built up your base in the Black Forest game. My perspective is currently loading up to KZbin. Please don't forget that we wanted to draft the civs, tomorrow! :)
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
I subscribed to you! Let's play 1vs1 Nomade, one day. I think that could be a very fair match-up. :)
@Dawnrim4 ай бұрын
Sure, I’m up for a challenge :) let me know when is a good time. We could do a bo3 and make some YT material out of it, if you don’t mind. If we’re doing nomad though, I would like a civ draft with a good amount of bans. Maybe something like pick 6, ban 2, so we go into a BO3 with four civs that are just below the top tier (I like to have one more civ in the draft than there are games in the set, so there can be some strategizing in civ picks even on the last game). Some civs are very OP on nomad, so being able to ban away the most obnoxious ones would make it more fun imo. Let me know what you think about it. If you were imagining something a little less involved and just a single game 1v1 just for fun, I’m up for that too.
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
@@Dawnrim Hey buddy! Thank you for your reply! I would sure be interested in a "best out of 3" if it turns out to be a fair fight for both sides. But telling by your ELO which is around 1300, I don't think I have a very realistic chance of winning this. I guess "Nomad" is the only map where chances might be even. THat is why I suggested the map. Let's do a testrun on Nomade and if we feel like we are fighting on eye-level we can make a "best out of 3" after that. Do you have a Discord so we can communicate everything?
@Dawnrim4 ай бұрын
@@lukasvideosify1596 yeah: dawnrim#4551
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
@@Dawnrim Thank you! I will send you a rewuest, now. (SemperBlender)
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
That was a really nice and well edited video! You said you were close to an average player. So, what is your ELO?
@Dawnrim4 ай бұрын
Bouncing up and down around 1200 most days.
@lukasvideosify15964 ай бұрын
@@Dawnrim Okay, sounds good!
@Mattroid995 ай бұрын
Honestly I would swap Poles, Britons and Byzantines with Aztecs, Gurjaras and Malay for sure Poles in particular are a great civ at lower level imo, they tend to play very slowly and passively (Which works great at low level where timings and aggression are very random) and their easiest win condition is extremely powerful and easy to notice. Gurjaras and Malay have so many weird bonuses hard to use them properly (Malay especially) and they lack traditional power unit or easy gameplans. Aztecs I'm a bit torn on personally because they have hard bonuses to use properly at lower levels, but on the other hand spamming eagles/champions is easy to grasp and strong to do. But are significantly harder than the three civs mentioned
@Dawnrim5 ай бұрын
I would agree. I also think Aztecs are hard because they lack halberdiers. That means you're on a timer to make your attacks count that is not really there for the other meso civs, or civs with cavalry/camels of their own. If you haven't won by the time massed heavy cavalry kicks in, you're kinda screwed as Aztecs. One thing is spamming infantry in post imp like you're the goths- spamming infantry in castle age/early imp on limited eco to hit the timing window of aztecs is another thing entirely.
@chibi_otaku52135 ай бұрын
Do you still have that sabre? lol
@Dawnrim5 ай бұрын
I do, but at my dad’s house back in Norway. And it’s probably pretty rusty by now. I doubt anyone has kept up with oiling it. Given it’s a metal sword in a metal scabbard, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s so rusted it can’t even be drawn anymore. Maybe I’ll make a revisit video at some point lol
@AEGISAOE5 ай бұрын
when cumans came, they were my favorite civ. Then I got tatars and I would always play with them, just too fun
@Dawnrim5 ай бұрын
They are fun. And those free sheep as you add TCs are so nice - it’s a nice wood saving from not needing farms right away in castle age, so you can make ranges or stables or CA or whatever you need. Start of castle age is the most wood demanding period of most games, so that bonus is really well timed. Interesting how the two civs in this matchup are very different in almost every way, but they do share having a bonus giving saving on the investment you have to make into the wood->food conversion in the boom phase. The teuton version is clearly better with cheaper farms, but still, it’s the same concept.
@AEGISAOE5 ай бұрын
@@Dawnrim idk how meta it was, but with tatars I enjoyed so much going archers into either xbows or cav archers. I'm better with range units, than with scouts/knights. For TG I would drop a well placed forward tower on one enemy and the my archers would go on the other. So, I carry my friend in early game and then he sling me just a little bit of resources, so I can mass CA
@AEGISAOE5 ай бұрын
for me was small trees and square tiles
@Dawnrim5 ай бұрын
Definitely big ones. It is kinda mind boggling that the official version of the game with big trees stuck around for more than 20 years, and it was pretty much impossible to have control of what your units were doing on the north side of a wood line that whole time. The grid can be nice (I assume that’s what you mean). I actually doesn’t use it personally, as I think it messes with the immersion a little bit (I still like to balance the feel of being a medieval lord a little bit against the optimal conditions for securing the win), but for range calculations, boar de-agro by palisade etc I can see how it’s very useful.
@AEGISAOE5 ай бұрын
@@Dawnrim Since I got this mod, i really don't remember ever having a gap in my wall (with buildings-wall or wood/stone wall), all because of grid/tile visual mod. But before this, I had some moments when one mistake made me lose a winning game. And small trees are useful also when you wall into the forest and your villager wants to make a way in for enemy, lol. All other visual mods are ok to me, but I don't really need much. Maybe the castle range is fine to keep safe my mangonels/villagers repairing rams, but anyway, I got a really good speed at counting tiles
@Dawnrim5 ай бұрын
@@AEGISAOE ah, yeah makes sense for spotting gaps
@AEGISAOE6 ай бұрын
byz are not that bad because of high hp buildings which new players can make good use of
@chibi_otaku52136 ай бұрын
Now I know what not to pick, but Britons do seem appealing.
@chibi_otaku52136 ай бұрын
Commenting for the algorithm.
@drakmendoa6 ай бұрын
I am a little bit suprised not to see Sarazans on the list because they are pretty hard to get too. For new players it is hard to find out that your superior market is your eco bonus. Then there are also monks which, as you said, are hard to handle for new players. And the transition from knight to camels is also not that easy.
@Dawnrim6 ай бұрын
I agree. They are tough. I wonder though, if perhaps the market bonus is silently working in the background for a lot of people, even if they don’t think about it and base a strategy around it. It’s almost like Saracens become harder the harder you try with them. At higher levels you have to try hard because you’re up against other players who take advantage of their bonuses to a large degree and you’ll fall behind if you just play standard, but things like the wall breaking archers might carry a lot of people as Saracens even without some elaborate market abuse strat. Idk though, just thinking out loud. They’re weird for sure.
@redman14586 ай бұрын
2:41 TBH the idiot who use OP unit and lamer completely deserve it, you are the cancer of this game
@Pepenosoy6 ай бұрын
Very good list! I personally could not live without the civ icons in the scoreboard
@simas_xv6 ай бұрын
Nice video. Agree with your choices except for Byzantines. There is definitely a learning curve when it comes to understanding counters, but Byzantines is easily the most forgiving civ when it comes to learning counters and the game in general at lower levels. Free town watch and town patrol gives you scouting information, and the cheap trash allows for cost effective counters to just about anything a similarly lower level player is going to throw at you. If the game goes long you have all the tools and are not limited in really any way tech tree wise. Also I'd say not having an eco bonus is not a downside, as most lower level players tend to manage the TC and economy badly anyway. I'd also say that civs with awkward / non-standard starts are bad for beginners, like Gujaras or Huns, because like Chinese, the start of games with them is not easily transferrable to any other civ.
@Dawnrim6 ай бұрын
I completely agree with you that Byz a good place to start to learn the game, and I think the devs do as well, given they've put a focus on counter play in the handicap system: you don't get an attack bonus across the board when turning on the handicap system, but your bonus dmg in increased. It seems they're trying to 'teach' weaker players to play with counters, which makes sense. And then it would make sense to have Byz as your 'training civ' as well. Still, as you say there's a learning curve and you don't get anything for free economically, so I'm not necessarily surprised they're in the bottom 5 on the win rates (which is the basis for this video). Good for actually learning - not necessarily good for performing well on the ladder initially.
@dejake_aoe6 ай бұрын
Interesting picks! My list would be; Aztecs - Force Dropping Chinese - Loom and Vill Macro at Start - more of a disadvantage for beginners Gurjaras - Mill Start, Sheep Garrison, Unique Stable options Georgians - Mule Carts Armenians - Mule Carts but (very slightly) less exciting. I expect most new players would enjoy the interesting and powerful military of Georgians cav regen and Monaspa before they appreciate the more subtle effects of Armenian's eco bonuses and relics
@Dawnrim6 ай бұрын
I can go along with that list. I think your take on Armenians and Georgians is generally accurate, though I believe there is a layer somewhere on the ranking where infantry is favored and viable. I would imagine Armenians are popular among those players.
@mostafaalavi5196 ай бұрын
For me playing as romans is so hard, they have no back line dps...
@Dawnrim6 ай бұрын
It’s at least hard to get to if you want to mass their best ranged option, scorpions. Maybe it will be a little easier with the scorp buffs coming in next patch.
@CalebBrown2286 ай бұрын
Thx!
@uozzi30146 ай бұрын
good channel
@Dawnrim6 ай бұрын
thank you
@ilikechocolate37416 ай бұрын
I usually hide vills and then go afk do something else in real life when playing a team game, and the winners are a bunch of douchebags that start insulting or calling noob etc
@Dawnrim6 ай бұрын
You remind me why I rarely play team games 11
@andrzejnawalany1986 ай бұрын
Massive respect for pronouncing Szlachta Privilages almost flawlessly :) Cheers from a Pole ;)
@ilikechocolate37416 ай бұрын
im surprised malay wasnt here. its so hard to get a decent timing with the up timing. Even for 2k players sometimes struggle when getting so fast to next age
@NapKingCole846 ай бұрын
Good tips! Partially commenting for the algo lol
@NapKingCole846 ай бұрын
Good video! I just subbed. When I was around 1k I enjoyed the Burmese. I think I played them pretty standard (sometimes wanting to go Arambai too hard). Scouts into knights, or into pike/siege/monks. I loved showing up at enemy bases and converting as many production buildings as I could, lol.
@14augustneverforget6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, now I can show my elitism of being slightly above average and/or intermediate
@Dawnrim6 ай бұрын
You're welcome. Hope I'm not misinterpreting what you're saying here, but yeah you get none of that pro player talk here of "on lower levels, like 1800s and such..." As Real Time History would have said: 'the only AoE channel that defines intermediate by the median' (if that reference didn't land, it's worth checking them out - their history content is perhaps the best on youtube;e not much medieval history tbf, but still).
@noahevans45106 ай бұрын
Good video! Chinese was a given, but I was suprised not to see the Gujaras or the Mountain Royal civs on the list.
@noahevans45106 ай бұрын
Why the unicorn interruption at 2:55? 🤔 I was active and engaged, but this incredibly distracting.
@RennieAsh6 ай бұрын
You missed : building stuff all over your ally, taking their resources and blocking them from doing stuff ;-)
@RennieAsh6 ай бұрын
Re "Alt+F4" a game I played actually disabled Alt+F4 but you could still tab alt of course. They also introduced a cooldown thing. But guess what people do then. Disconnect the internet, end process etc.
@RennieAsh6 ай бұрын
Sometimes I think it's all part of the game to make it difficult for your opponent to kill you. Including walling up villagers etc. I guess if it happens too often then it's annoying. But until they use standard victory conditions, why should you be penalised for playing to the game rules of conquest?
@Dawnrim6 ай бұрын
I see what you’re saying, and to be clear - running villagers and walling them up in a team games to try to rebuild to get back into the fight later is totally a legit strategy. In 1v1s though, there are situations where the game is very much unwinnable and walling the few remaining villagers in a corner accomplishes nothing but stalling out the inevitable. Like I mentioned, some people enjoy that - both sides of that - both I think those are the minority.
@jennystrandqvist15686 ай бұрын
5 worst civs for a beginner: 5 - Vikings, the mix of no power units and bonuses that lead a beginner astray. 4 - Spain, as the supreme "lets try to win by only making my UU" and bonuses that promotes bad habits. 3 - Poles, either you understand that you suppose to make farms around the mill and not TCs, which is a bad habit to learn, or you playing a civ you don't understand. 2 - Saracens, the most useless civ in the game, no default bonuses at all, balanced around market use and that archers can hurt buildings. 1 - Khmer, as beginner friendly as farms being good no matter where they get built, this civ breaks more rules than any other by far. In the worst kind of ways as well, cheating on keeping villagers safe with the houses, and linear progression with no buildings needed for unlocks. The UU also dumb enough to try win with armies of them.
@Dawnrim6 ай бұрын
I guess you're focusing on civs that form bad habits for new players, and that's a fair enough criterium. Btw, I agree many of the ones you mention form worse habits than Huns, which is the OG bad habit forming civ that's often being pointed to.
@toviashapiro67726 ай бұрын
Spanish is an interesting choice as they have a pretty full standard tech tree minus xbow so they are a good flexible civ for people to pay a wide variety of strategies especially if ppl come up with a good counter against conqs
@jennystrandqvist15686 ай бұрын
@@Dawnrim Yes and also it not a very defined question, one person may answer it in the form of fast results, another one focuses on the civ bonuses, next one might think knight-play is so important they don't want a beginner to use eagles. Then there is the word beginner itself, some reserve it for being new to both the game and RTS in general, while some read it as just not being good at the game. For the former once, it might also have a time limit, like you only a beginner until you have played 20/50/100 games or for a month/months. So perhaps it good to have both what anyone think is the best and worst, so can read between the lines what they value and don't.