Yes I agree that the Pre tribulation rapture is a Darby fantasy. But it is not as blasphemous as the more the 30 + heresies and man created myths of the Roman Catholic Church. For example:- purgatory, transubstantiation, Mary worship [i.e. goddess worship.] If you reject Christ's rule on earth or Satan's imprisonment and eventual short release you might as well throw Revelations and much of Paul's teaching and writings in the garbage bin.

Grace of God is Monergistic and it is God Grace Alone that brings or Enables us to come to him Faith Comes From God! Repentance is God Gift to us but a person Can reject his Grace as he God permits them.

I think this depends on what you mean by "cancel culture." If "cancel culture" is parents protesting inappropriate material in school libraries, that is good. But there is also (and I think most people have this connotation in mind) a petty and/or hypocritical cancel culture. Someone made an offensive joke 10 years ago, a spurious accusation arises out of nowhere, suddenly friends and the general public turn on this person without having the facts. It is often a case of the sin of detraction, jumping on the bandwagon to ruin someone's reputation without sufficient justification. As I watched this video, I found myself agreeing with your entire message, but the term "cancel culture" as I understand it simply didn't fit what you were saying. "Cancel culture" in my mind evokes the desire to be vindicated and justified, absolved really, by piling onto moral outrage in situations one has no real connection to or knowledge about. To "cancel" someone generally means to initiate this moral outrage, like a spark starting a forest fire. That being said, maybe I am simply not as exposed to whatever segment of the culture is using the term in the way you do in this video, with a somewhat more broad definition.

This is one of the most ignorant videos from a so called Christian I have ever seen. I am betting your not Christian, but Catholic. Because if you just read the Word of God the Holy Spirit will teach you all things. Jesus Christ wad a dispensationalist. When he proclaimed his ministry he stopped the prophecy from Isaha at a comma. Because part had come to pass bur part was future. That is dispensation.

Beware of Paganism in Christianity that leads the real believers away from the truth. The truth is in Jeremiah, new covenant is Torah on our heats. What is Torah? Ask Yeshua and He already answered.

There is only one redemption plan, not 2 (1 for Jews, 1 for gentiles). Jesus came to proclaim His salvation message to all peoples, but only those who believe will be saved. He is fulfilling His promise to Jews by the offering of Himself as their Messiah. Now they must believe

The three legged what?

There is just not enough weight of evidence to support womans ordination. SIMPILST.

I was at lunch with a fellow Christian a few months back. He asked the table, "Do you think Christians that don't believe in the rapture will make the rapture?" Rapture is preached so hard in my church and that's just how it is down in the south where I live. I try not to be dividing on the topic as I do not believe it is a salvific issue, but it is so frustrating to hear rapture rapture rapture all the time. It seems like a scare tactic for an alter call that doesn't lead to a lasting, real, living faith in a person.

Dispensationalism primarily exists to justify support for Zionism.

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Saller is just another liar and coward....

Nice to see you're returning to video making with some uncontroversial topics

There are always wrong/false teachings regardjng a doctrine/subject. Please do not throw away the baby together with the dirty water. E.g. please do not throw away the doctrine of grace just because there are erroneous/heretical teachings about grace.

Welp, there it is, I am postmil now.

Wonderful, thanks Jonah. I often feel that Anglican churches concerning Mary might as well be evangelical Protestants, hardly mentioning her much less venerating her and invoking her intercession.

I agree. Dispensationalism is not an exegetically valid doctrine, and is often defended by its adherents through disingenuous arguments and gaslighting. @josephboxmyer. Since I am either blocked from responding to you directly, or KZbin is censoring me, I will have to amend my OP. Red herrings and trying to put words in my mouth are dishonest attempts at gaslighting. Or, do you not know what dispensationalism is? A person doesn't have to be a dispensationalist to believe in a literal thousand years reign of Christ. Your attempt to use that as a proof is irrelevant since the difference there is about whether a person is an amillenialist, or a postmillenialist, or a premillennialist. You demonstrate your ignorance by trying to use a straw man fallacy here and put words in my mouth, as well as equivocating on what dispensationalism actually teaches. You also avoid the gap theories I mentioned and equivocate on what I am referring to as "esoteric," as well as equivocating on when I said, "In some instances it is not even literal," by somehow assuming that I said in all instances. I would agree with a literal interpretation of the millennial reign, and a literal reading of 1 Thess. 4. The disagreement on 1 Thess. 4, is about when it occurs, and that it is not the pre-trib rapture of dispensationalism. It is a secret if it is an unexpected surprise as taught by dispensationalists. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Left Behind Books and movie where people just suddenly disappear from the earth? 1 Thess. 4 (there is no rapture in ch. 2) is the rapture at the second coming of Christ after the tribulation. The secret rapture of dispensationalism is the pre-trib rapture. There is nothing in 1 Thess. 4, that says it occurs before the tribulation. On the contrary, it says, "we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord." If you believe in a pre-trib rapture you don't "remain unto the coming of the Lord" when the resurrection occurs. Instead, in the pre-trib rapture you are raptured out before the coming of the Lord and before the resurrection of the dead in Christ. Rev. 14. 1 has Jesus on mount Sinai with the 144,000, "the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb." who were raised with him in Matt. 27. 52, and who are the first fruits because Jesus is the first fruits in 1 Cor. 15. 23. If you are raptured after the resurrection of Jesus, you are not the first fruits of the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel. 1 Cor. 15. 23, "Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." After what? After the firstfruits. When? At his coming to reign on earth for a thousand years. (Even if you disagree with me about when the 144,000 are/were resurrected, if anyone gets raptured or resurrected before the tribulation it is the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel because they are the first fruits, and as first fruits they precede the gentile church. There is only one 2nd "coming" of Christ. With a pre-trib rapture occurring before the tribulation you are being raptured out before the 2nd coming when the millennial reign begins. Thus, the pre-trib rapture is not a "remaining unto the coming of the Lord." You haven't endured to the end. In 1 Thess. 4. 14, Jesus brings the dead with him, because they shall rise first, v. 16. For this to be a pre-trib rapture the first resurrection in Rev. 20. 5-6, would have to be a second resurrection, and the pre-trib rapture would be a 2nd coming with Jesus coming before the millennial reign being a 3rd coming. There are the "first fruits" that took place when Jesus resurrected. Then the first resurrection of believers when Jesus returns. Rev. 20. 6. Then the second resurrection where those who are judged according to their works and whose names are not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire, Rev. 20. 12-15. If 1 Thess. 4, is a "coming of the Lord" and a resurrection and rapture that precedes the tribulation, then there must be two of these events, one before the tribulation and one after the tribulation when Jesus returns to resurrect the dead and transform the living, 1 Cor. 15:51-2, and begin his millennial reign. The wrath of God begins with the 7 bowl/vial judgements. The period before that is the tribulation. The gap theory used by dispensationalists between Dan. 9. 26 and Dan. 9. 27, to explain the church age and then a return to the Mosaic law for the last 7 years of the tribulation is also "esoteric" since it is not literally there in Dan. 9. 26-27. The dispensationalist's claim that the tribulation is a 7 year period relies upon the esoteric gap between Dan. 9. 26 and 27, since the only period of time mentioned in Revelation are 3 1/2 year periods that dispensationalists assume are two different 3 1/2 year periods to make it conform to their interpretation of Dan. 9. 26-27. But there is no mention of a 7 year period in Revelation. Nor any mention of the events in Revelation being the last week, or 70th week of Daniel. If you are a Scofield dispensationalist, then there is also a mythological, or "esoteric" gap between Gen. 1. 1, and Gen. 1. 2, that is not literally there. As for the chosen people, I don't need a wizard unless you consider Paul a wizard. Gal. 3. 16, "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." ... (29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Jesus is the heir of Abraham. Jesus is the "true vine." John 15. 1. And, "No man cometh to the Father, but by me." John 14. 6. Not even the genetic descendants of Abraham. John 8. 37, "I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you." Their salvation is through Jesus Christ just like it is for everyone else. John 8. 47, "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not God's." Paul is explaining in Rom. 11. 20, that they were broken off because of "unbelief." But, they can be graffed back in if they accept Jesus Christ as their savior. Rom. 11. 23, "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again." Their presence in the land was always conditional. Only Jesus Christ is the true heir of the promises given to Abraham. Deut. 28. 63, "And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whether thou goest to possess it. And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from one end of the earth unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone." Matt. 21. 43, "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof." Matt. 23. 38, "Behold, your house is left to you desolate." Isaiah 65. 15, "And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name." 1 Thess. 2. 14-16, "For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the dg*ews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." Ignatius A.D. 30-107, Epistle to the Magnesians, ch. 10: "Let us therefore prove ourselves worthy of that name which we have received. For whosoever is called by any other name besides this, he is not of God; for he has not received the prophecy which speaks thus concerning us: "The people shall be called by a new name, which the Lord shall name them, and shall be a holy people. This was first fulfilled in Syria; for "the disciples were called Christians at Antioch," when Paul and Peter were laying the foundations of the Church." Isaiah 66. 7-8, "Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child (Rev. 12. 5-6). Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children." 1 Peter 2. 9-10, "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shee forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy." The people calling themselves Israel are apostates in rebellion against God. Ask any true Orthodox dg*ew. They oppose the modern state of Israel and protest against it. If God did not allow the Hebrews to enter the promised land because of their unbelief, so that they wandered in the wilderness for forty years; and promised root them out of the land in Deut. 28. 63-64; Deut. 29. 27-28; then why would he allow the descendants of these same hardnecked people to enter the land as a secular, apostate, people? Is God a double-minded hypocrite? I think not. Even if they are the genetic descendants of Abraham, they are imposters and not the chosen people of God as long as they are in unbelief. They are the people of the antichrist. Not all. Many are deceived like Christian Zionists are deceived, as Jesus prophesied in Matt. 24. 10-12, 24. Lastly, your reference to Catholicism is just another straw man fallacy.

Glóir a Íosa Críost! Is breá liom an Tiarna Íosa Críost go mór.

This is an issue I've been thinking about for the past few days. Long story short, you've summarized exactly what's happened to my own postmil eschatology - same ideas regarding preterism and certainty. There are no coincidences :) Lord bless.

Amen !

Amen !

Dispansationalism camera from a Jesuit named Francisco rebera in the 6th century to shift the protestant understanding that papal Rome (papacy, Catholic Church) is the anti Christ worship system It's deadly wound is just a healed and history will be repeated

What River said about the gospel being the only means for true equality was quite beautiful. ~38:00

If despensations are not Christian theology why is it mentioned 4 times in your KJV Bible?

Christians are now Israel. We have replaced them.

EHH THATS MY TEACHERR

How old or how recent was dispensationalism?? This is the concern of people who do not read their Bibles. It doesn't matter how old a theology is. When I was saved everything was new to me. The only thing that was important, the only thing that should be important is Bible truth. Paul told Timothy to be faithful in studying the Bible. DON'T WORRY ABOUT BEING YOUNG. Don't worry about your theology being young. Is it Biblical? Is it Biblical? But Paul was a sinner!!! So am I. So are you. Faithfullness to the Bible is what matters. Not how young you are. Not how young your theology is. Didpensationalism came late because they took the time to read the Bible first. They read about the thousand years before they wrote that theology. That's why it fits!!! So, guess why some theologies don't have room for the thousand years. They did not read the Bible. Some theologies were written following the doctrines of those seven churches that Jesus had to speak harshly to for their BAD DOCTRINE !!!

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“…So that man might become God?” Seriously? Mormon/Satan much? Jesus didn’t make us God. He made us sons and daughters, kings and priests.

Nicene creed vs the Bible. Who wins? Don’t trust the “wisdom” of men! Rapture is the harpazo. It’s Biblical!! By “Orthodoxy” you mean what men think… lean not on your own understanding. Gnosticism is a secret knowledge not whatever you just described. Dispensation have a very reasonable view for the rapture, rapture in the Latin and Harpazo in the Greek it means to be snatched up it also goes back to the details of a Galilean wedding, which is what Jesus is describing when he’s telling the disciples about this actual thing And to do with Enoch and how he was raptured before the flood where Noah was preserved through it. How lot was ruptured from Sodom before its destruction. And Daniel was raptured from the picture before his friends were preserved through the fire. Not to mention that the book of revelation says very clearly in ch 4 what happens after the bema seat (Christians) in heaven occurs. it clearly lays out a before and after. But covenant theology, churches just don’t read that book very closely or at all. The only book to offer up a blessing to the reader who understands it and the primary message I got from my covenant theology friends is - “There’s no use spending time there. You can’t really understand it.” Sad..

You do see it in history. And how long did the Catholic Church have terrible theology before the reformation? 2 different plans!? You don’t understand the theology. It’s only by Jesus that we are saved. You reformed guys think everything is about soteriology. Milk faith. It’s what the Bible teaches. Why is it that all of the covenant theology churches stick to a beaten path within the Bible? Why won’t they read Romans 11? Why not the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, revelation? Why do all of the disp churches tend to teach the entire Bible? There are 10 X the qty of seminaries that focus on your hermeneutic. By no means is that proof for this being made up. Sacrifices will be atoning for sins? You really don’t get the hermeneutic at all. That’s the difference, it was always Jesus in the past present and in the future. The animal sacrifices never did it. The irony is that your view actually makes two different systems by being saved.. old and new. dispensation think has always been one, Jesus. Perhaps you guys are so scared of going to hell that you think everything in the Bible is about soteriology. How do you explain the 70th week of Daniel? How do you explain the time of Jacob’s trouble? Why is it not the time of Abraham’s trouble? Do you understand the difference? Thankfully, I found a more dispensational viewpoint on the Bible and it has changed my walk incredibly. The Bible has come to life and u cannot unsee it once you’ve seen it. I noticed a massive trend where covenant theology people just absolutely cannot re-create the hermeneutic. Try to steel man the viewpoint rather than taking the absolute worst line. What happened to the ever lasting covenant of land for the Jews? Did God make a mistake? Did he not see the future? Did he repurpose the Land for the church? Or did he do exactly what he said and provide the land for the Jews, which they now live in again after 1900 years? Don’t you think God would’ve seen how confusing this would be in advance? In the same way that the Jews did sacrifices for 37 years after the death of Christ, they will do these again in the future And in the same way, they will be for the same purpose. Remember “in their affliction, they will seek me” at the end of the tribulation they will finally seek Jesus himself when they realize that he’s the one that they pierced. The Jews will be pursuing God and Jesus will be pursuing the Jews in the end, the Jews will accept Jesus as their savior

Now that you’re humbled maybe you can be Roman Catholic and seek the real truth

You say that you’re concerned with a ‘theology’ that violates ‘orthodox’. I’m learning a lot about you from this statement. You should be concerned with any ‘council of orthodoxy’ that violates ‘scripture’. Any and all creeds or quotes from any man, is in subjection to the written word of God. I noticed that you failed to appeal to scripture throughout this video

Brilliant , Mr Saller, brilliant. John McArthur is a man of God and in some ways the conscience of America but his eschatology is from the garbage of Darby.

I like your ideas! Praying for you!

God save me from pride. I’ve been the nine lepers. I beg God to free me from sin, but when I see victory I don’t beg for more mercy.

Why do people always get hung up on titles? I simply read the Bible. Had God some things in the past we do not see Him doing today? Are we still healing the sick? Casting out demons? Performing miracles? Does God demand blood sacrifice today? Are we under a new covenant? Are we waiting for Christs return? Will He rule this world His way when He returns? If you see dispensations in Scripture then it's true! It's simply accepting what the truth of Scripture shows. Regarding the new temple. It's not a temple of the past is it? Then what is it? Is it all allegory? If so why? Why go into such detailed explanations of something that will never come to be? Christ will return and rule and reign for 1000 years on earth! And still rule after the 1000 years! It is never ending we just see what happens after the 1000 years. Satan is cast into the lake of fire and the eternal state is ushered in. This is very clear in Rev 20-22

So the existence of Israel today proves all you covenant theology/ replacement people wrong, and the dispensationalists (the "leaky" ones like MacArthur) correct. Of course all true believers are welcome in the church. That does not conflict in any way with God's right, and carefully detailed plan, for dealing with Israel in His own good time and fulfilling all his kingdom promises.

So there is no 'time of the Gentiles' or the 'time of Jacob's trouble'?

Should we take 1 st thes 4:13-18, the catching up out of scripture?

2:26 Justin Martyr preaching the pre-millenial reign of Christ. That's pretty much half-way home to a biblical eschatology. Now, when was the last time you and your friends preached I Thessalonians 4:17 for the purpose of comforting as Paul commanded you. Got that? He commanded YOU to preach the Rapture/Resurrection. When are you going to place that Rapture (harmadzo)? Try these: Revelation 20:6: "...they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years." Revelation 5:10: "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth." So you think Christ is going to leave the faithful dead (not the Grateful Dead) moldering in the ground during the Millennium, hmm? Seems that Rapture has to be at least Pre-Mil. And since the paragraphs immediately following after the Rapture passage in I Thessalonians 4:17 describe the Tribulation period and state: "We are not appointed to wrath!", don't you think that some dispensationalist ideas are pretty well founded (not to say all). You can apologize to the dispensationalists now. They are fairly certain they will be "kept from the hour."

1:53 Re: Church fathers - "None of them were dispensationalists." Well, that's true, since it was the 1900s before other theological opponents labeled and began calling them dispensationalists. Basically the dispensationalists didn't know they were dispensationalists until guys like you started calling them that. (Oh, disclaimer: I'm not a dispensationalist.)

1:04 "Dispensationalism is a modern invention". Not a bit true. Every theological scheme has dispensations. Oh, right, they call them covenants or administrations or whatchagot. Try these out: "Jewish Two Ages (This Age and the Age to Come); Covenant Theology (Covenant of Works and Covenant of Grace); Augustine's Six Ages of the World (based on the seven days of creation); Medieval Fourfold Pattern (Creation, Fall, Redemption, Consummation); Luther's Law and Gospel; Sevenfold Dispensationalism (as in classic Dispensationalism); and Progressive Dispensationalism (four or more dispensations with an emphasis on progressive revelation)." They just give the dispensations different names and different starting and endpoints throughout redemption history and church history. So wrong.

Dispensationalism is a quintessentially American heresy, much like the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormonism, and Seventh Day Adventists. Neither the Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Coptic, Syrian, Russian Orthodox, or Greek Orthodox Christians believe in Dispensationalism. Only U.S. Evangelicals and/or Southern Baptists and the missionary Churches they have influenced. Furthermore, by appearing on Christian-broadcasting programs and hocking DVDs on 'mysteries' and hidden knowledge that only Rabbis know, more and more Biblically naive Christians are forsaking the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ. In turn, they are now practicing a heretically non-Biblical and politically militant derivative of Judaism where a blind adherence to and promotion of the geo-political aspirations of Zionist-Israel are more important than obeying what Jesus and the Apostles actually taught. Dispensationalism, sometimes called Scofield Futurism, Christian Zionism, and/or Israeli-Based Prophetic Eschatology, is one such heresy. Finally, Voodoo is a false and dangerous belief system, of certain Caribbean cultures. However, those that believe it can be negatively impacted by it through psychosis, depression, acts of violence, etc. Talk of 'The Antichrist, the Rapture, 666, the 3rd Temple, Mark of the Beast, 7 years tribulation, and Armageddon, etc. is NO different. If enough people believe a lie, it will likely begin to manifest itself in the culture through movies, literature, music, and perhaps, even in reality. The U.S. is a powerful country, both militarily and economically, so the false belief system of those in power will impact the direction of global politics.

That’s great! Good luck

One thing I noticed about this video is that you aren't arguing against the ideas of dispensational hermeneutics ( not once did you argue against it using scripture but just said because this elite group (encumenical councils) denies literal interpretation and allegorical interpretation thus its not Christian. Its weak argumentation. Its an appeal to authority. Its fallacious. Do better

I'm largely with you--especially as touching the modern heresy of the pre-trib rapture--but you seem to deny the literal earthly physical thousand-year reign of Christ, so clearly laid out in substance and sequence in Revelation 20 (and 21). My standard and protocol is simple: Scripture always takes precedence, even over Orthodoxy, where it departs from Scripture.

Welcome back! Congrats on the new job! I like your KZbin videos because I can listen to them like a podcast. However, I also think the downside to KZbin is the inevitable doom-scrolling, so Substack would be a great way to stay connected you your content.