I don't typically watch shorts so when i saw your discussion and you mentioned a short i booked it over here. Why you gotta do me like that!?😭👍

😂 what the heck!?

At this point in time, Kayden will be taking notes from Jiwoo 😂

Love one piece!! The best story. My handle is my initials of my name. Feel free to call me Lily.

🎉 always love you man and like to hear u rant it's good to get things off ur mind 😅 we went crazy fr and yeah I had to hype up jiwoo I knew he was top 100 frfr and yall said he's not there and this fight with Duke showed yes he's ready and held back heavy barely used plutons ability and didn't at all use kartiens when he's got both in his arsenal

16:53 i NEVER SAID KAYDEN HAS MULTIPLE FORCE CONTROL YOU SAID THAT

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Okay Ian > Duke that s a low Diff i will explain why Ian largely dominates Duke in almost every aspect. When your Tier 2 abilities awaken, there are key factors to consider. Awakening power, raw energy strength-where Ian is far superior because Duke has only been training with Schnauder for 5 years, while Ian has been training with Veramote since infancy. From a young age, Ian has had ample time to practice control over his power and develop an awakening power far greater than Duke’s. So, in terms of raw awakening power, Ian is already ahead. Next, combat ability: Ian’s training with Veramote from a young age gives him an incredibly higher mastery of his abilities than Duke. Beyond that, combat ability isn’t just about raw power-it’s also about intelligence and strategy. And we’ve seen that Duke is terrible at combat intelligence, or any kind of intelligence, to be honest. He relies entirely on brute strength, which is a foolish approach. Ian, on the other hand, alternates between the force of his power and exceptional intelligence. Now, here’s a point that will make everyone agree: Kaiden Break-yes, Kaiden Break-complimented Ian Patrick, saying in Chapter 287 that Ian’s combat sense is brilliant. Do you realize how insane this statement is? Let me remind you, Kaiden Break, in the eleceed universe, is considered to have the best combat sense in the world-he’s literally number 1 in this field. Ian Patrick received such a compliment from the best in the world. Has Duke received anything like this? No.

Read this comment. I don’t have a choice but to modify this comment because my other comments are automatically deleted. So, you don’t have a choice-you have to read all the comments. And this isn’t a theory, so it’s not an issue at all. In fact, everything the author has done so far in Eleceed, you have to understand one thing, and that is for a reason. We don’t know the reason yet, we can judge in the moment, but you have to understand that the author knows he has a billion cards in hand to play. And we need to realize that Eleceed is here for more than a decade, it’s a webtoon with the potential for over 800 chapters. I’m not joking. So, everything you hope for and your expectations will obviously come. Everything the author does is for a good reason. And recently, Eleceed’s plot has gotten much better. No one can say there hasn’t been any development in Jiwoo’s character. That’s totally false and contradictory. Compared to the Ian Patrick fight, and the Duke fight, you have to remember that in the Ian Patrick fight, Jiwoo was looking for Kaiden’s gaze. And now, against Duke, not once did he doubt himself, he didn’t look for Kaiden’s gaze, zero times. So between these two fights, we highlight a certain evolution in Jiwoo’s character. The author is trying to play with that, and even schnauder admiration for Jiwoo shows a form of character development. And once again, the author is planning things we can’t even theorize. So for me, it’s just a matter of time. What I love about Eleceed is that it’s a work that takes its time, doesn’t rush, and doesn’t do things hastily. So there’s no reason to complain. The author knows what he’s doing, and we just have to enjoy what we’re given. After all, it’s each person’s life, but just appreciate what’s being given to you, that’s all 31:40 You just literally proved how people should absolutely not believe anything you say. You’re lying. This shows how bad your reading comprehension is! I’m sorry for being so blunt, but it’s the truth! How can you say that? Look, proof, chapter 285, official webtoon. You’re saying that, yes, it’s confirmed in the story that Pluton gave his entire force control to Jiwoo. But you’re reading with your feet, that’s the truth! The proof is right there-Pluton literally says to Kartein, “I heard you taught him a small portion of yours that fit his fighting style i did the same, that’s all.” There you go. He literally just said that he gave him a small portion of his force control. So stop telling me he gave him all of his force control. Look, you’re talking nonsense. And then, how do you expect your opinions to be credible and valid to others? Just this proves that Jiwoo is not in the top 100, since you just said something completely wrong that contradicts the story itself. Before saying something, make sure it’s true, lol.With your attitude, you seemed so confident when you said Pluton gave Jiwoo his entire force control. But please, it’s written black and white in chapter 285 that he only gave him a small portion. That means you can’t contradict what the webtoon says. It’s written black and white in the author’s words. There’s no opinion to have here; you just have to accept it. Your credibility is in question now. How can you be wrong about this? You seemed so confident when you were saying that Pluton gave his entire force control to Jiwoo. And now? You look like someone who’s been talking nonsense and feels dumb now. I’m sorry. Please make an effort. And even if it wasn’t written black and white, well, I guess you wouldn’t have believed it, but at least use some logic, please.But that's not even the worst part. The topic of portions of force control versus the entirety of force control is something we’ve already discussed before, and I had already debunked it, saying it’s impossible for him to have passed on the entirety of his force control. We even talked about the hand issue in that context. I think it was Keezix who brought up this topic, and he explained it to you, but you didn’t retain anything at all. And Pluton literally says in the chapter himself, "He’s not my disciple. I know he’s not, and I don’t want him to be either. I mean, how can you trust someone enough to teach them everything you know?" That means he didn’t teach Jiwoo everything, plain and simple. And this just proves how your reading comprehension can confuse people and lead them down the wrong path. Even Kaiden himself didn’t give Jiwoo the entirety of his force control. How could you possibly think Pluton would give him the entirety of his force control? Think about it for a moment-it doesn’t make any sense. 31:55 The second lie and stupidity you said is that Kartein allegedly said word for word, “But we don't taught him a part of it. (but the whole force control for you ).” Well, he never said that. You’re directly contradicted because in chapter 281, Pluton asked him, “You taught him what? Your force control?” and Kartein responded, “It’s not what it sounds like. It was only a little portion of it.” There you go. So, you’re contradicted by chapter 281. Furthermore, in chapter 285, Pluton himself says that Kartein gave him a portion. Please stop lying. Not one, but two mistakes.

Please, use your brain, listen carefully to every word I’m going to say. Because right now, it’s a matter of logic and understanding. And you yourself admitted that you’re not very good. Those weren’t my words, but yours. Kaiden’s territory extension has been created, alright? The territory extension bubble itself is created. And in chapter 274, there’s only the spatial isolation, Astra’s spatial isolation bubble, which is above. Now, I’ll ask you a question. So you assume that Kaiden’s territory extension needs spatial isolation to function, right? In that case, I’ll ask you a question. Where was it shown that spatial isolation has any impact on anything? If you can prove it, you’re right. First of all, it’s never been said that spatial isolation has any impact on anything. So right from the start, the territory extension cannot depend on something that has no impact. That’s logic. It’s like 1 plus 1 equals 2. It’s logic. So if this thing has no impact on the territory extension, the territory extension doesn’t need spatial isolation to function. Again, let’s take the example of the Klein brothers when they were fighting Jiwoo’s team. Did the Klein brothers need to use a technique requiring spatial isolation? No! That’s proof that you can use techniques without spatial isolation. It’s the same for Kaiden’s territory extension, which is, remember, a technique. So, factually speaking, Kaiden’s territory extension is not dependent on spatial isolation. In other words, it doesn’t need spatial isolation to function, because spatial isolation has no impact on anything. That’s logic. Don’t tell me that the territory extension can’t work without a spatial isolation bubble because the territory extension bubble is already created, so there’s no need for a second bubble. The spatial isolation bubble is something else. It’s something that is above. On top of that, it’s Astra’s spatial isolation. How do you expect an enemy’s spatial isolation, especially Astra’s, to be a factor in maintaining your spatial isolation? But if that were true, Astra would have immediately removed the spatial isolation so that Kaiden’s technique wouldn’t work anymore. Again, what you’re saying doesn’t make sense. You just need to think with your brain and understand.

Read this comment i know it s edited but comments in youtube get removed for no reason this problem came also for madlips it's not a theory so it s fine and credible lets get in to this I think it’s crucial to clarify some fundamental points to better understand the power gap between Blues and Kartein because your arguments reveal a misunderstanding of the scaling logic in the story. In your video Eleceed Discussion Part 17, you claimed that Kartein couldn t mid diff or low diff blues (blues isn't an easy opponent for Kartein for you). However, this directly contradicts the principles established in the story. Zeyth explicitly explained that when there’s a significant difference in overall power, an individual’s abilities or powers become irrelevant against a far superior opponent. A clear example of this is Moshius versus Mioru. Despite Moshius possessing magma fire a power that theoretically counters iron he gets effortlessly annihilated by Mioru. Why? Because Mioru’s overall power is so far beyond Moshius that his fire is simply not strong enough to melt her iron. This is basic logic within the story. The same principle applies to Blues and Kartein. The power gap between them is so massive that Blues’ abilities, particularly his mist power, are entirely ineffective against Kartein. This is an undeniable fact rooted in the narrative. Blues is relative to fighters like Moshius and Mioru’s subordinate-top 50 combatants who are stronger than Jiyoung but still fall within a comparable tier. This is evidenced by the fact that it took Jiyoung (a mid-low tier top 50) and Kang Suman (a top 100) working together to defeat Mioru’s subordinate. Since Blues is comparable to that subordinate, he would also lose in a 1v2 against a top 100 and a top 50.(This is been prove throught Mioru subordinate (only talking fax here not speculation))once again put aside your blues fanboy side it has nothing to do in a debate of power your problem is that you are not objective to the point of denying the facts

Duke is embarrassing if he still lost that

Ah man! He told Biyoo to disrupt the channel.. It´s now dark and this hell is hot, we got the snake, the rat, the dog and if we just got the cat then DMX would appear and help us fight evil.

It´s a shame that the reaction got ruined and I get that you don´t want to redo it. @14.16 It´s not conceal but counsel, like a therepist. I do believe the walls and painting the walls is a double. I think "the wall everyone has" is when we are feeling insecure and fear others reaction to our "true colors", for example if you think of the controversy of your "worst socially accepted view" on any topic and how people these days rather cancel you instead of talking about the ideas. In these days you´d rather hide behind that wall in public to not let them see these ideas. I´m sure you knew this but I think the point is that it goes for constellations aswell. Jang Hayoungs special ability to being able to "listen well" is also making them open up, making him being able to establish connections in a way not possible for Kim. Who could have guessed but apperently even gods needs to talk to a therapist. But also I´m betting that Kim will draw some crazy runes or magic circles, maybe even write his own fable and being able to use it in the future. I do like the idea of a character that is powerful, just not in a brutish way. Makes me want to meet Anna Croft the prophet, we heard about but yet to meet.

Duke was going all out and put his life on the line for a fight he could never win .

Bro this is fire 🔥 😳 such a good fight fr one to remember 👏 🙌 fire shit dreads your the man ! As always love u bro and this content is top tier 👌 💯, you going to blow up i keep sharing with everyone i know 😅

Commander is magic the gathering

He tricked me lol nah it was fr a flashback dreads , 🤣 love u bro this has been fire 🔥 these discussions help update the readers like me personally

I had to re-read this a couple of times but no, I dont think he knew about the unidentified wall, where did you get that? The black boxes was not his thoughts I think that information was just for us so that we know that it´s something special that not even Kim can do.

I do agree with Eleceed being in a slump for me personally. I agree with LB, so many details that would do so much to expand the world. There are a lot of set up that has been done and I get we have a training arc now but getting the flashbacks when we need them is why I feel there are no stakes here. What ever happends daddy Kayden or mommy Gastelle will solved it.. I still see many ways on how we can escalate the tensions and have a great future. I´m Eleceed will bounce back but if not for these videos I´d save a for a few months before reading it again.

I enjoyed Madlips take on the force control, I think he´s right!

Most are skipping in go to the main task hahaha

The "edited" part is usually either me adding in points I missed, or just fixing errors. In my passionate rants, I type to fast and make grammatical mistakes Never read beginning after the end. Eleceed is kinda my main thing right now. All other series are not something I feel you'd enjoy.

My issue with the story was not just gastella, i was just using her as an example of "a" problem i had. Whether she is there or not, won't take away from eleceed as a while. Sucks that she's there, but what can you do🤷‍♀️ Eleceed has admitedly been the one series I watched of yours. I hope to watch others as well

Lol this isnt the last you've seen of me! I was genuinely so excited to see your discussion for this! I'm so sorry for the pain I brought you😅

Yeah, obviously they introduced her so they must make her somehow useful. So far, her most useful thing she did was be an over glorified chaperone. As a WOMAN, I am for female development and badass women. I am very vocal about my hatred of how women are objectified in media. And that's what they did with Gastella! they spit on her! She was so cool to me when she first arrived, and they relegated her to being nothing but a stupid shut-in woman-child with the emotional capacity of a preteen! Yes, please give us powerful female characters! But can we skip the romance! Give them struggles, rivals, actually challenges! Powerful, intelligent, smart female characters shoehorned into the role of "the love interest" and that is where their entire personalities die! Their entire usefulness is just that they are there for a romance aspect. Yes She's powerful, enough so to be so feared... WHY IS SHE SO STUPID WHEN IT COMES TO KAYDEN! what woman, who calls themselves a woman, goes braindead at the sight of a man! Kayden was by himself, existed on his own, and no one made it a problem, that was fine and normal. Take kartein or pluton. But jiyoung and Gastella being on their own? THE HORROR how dare a powerful female character exist and be comfotable and content on their own without being shackled down to some man! My theory:Gastella is just there to be romance for kayden because the kayden x Karting shipper got too much power 😂🤣 (not a shipper but I know in the Fandom it's a very liked pair)

Dreads ! Bro 🤣 fire 🔥 😭 😅 love u homie keep up the amazing work 😅 ur legend 🙌 praying you have nothing but success and happiness man , jiwoo been holding back fr in this fight to mask his other abilities

This episode is fire 🔥

😅. listen... I still love eleceed and I really like that you read eleceed and are super passionate about it! You’re a great channel host, and i love tour takes! BUT! don't get me wrong, I was the biggest fan of eleceed. for 3 years straight, I waited... WAITED for every tuesday for it to get updated. I looked for sites and websites to see which ones updated the fastest. I recommended this webcomic to others and defended it to till my dying breath. but over time, I lost the spark. with each chapter, I got more and more bored, more disappointed, more angry at the turn of the plot. Got less enthusiastic I, of course, understand the pressure an author has, though i am disappointed in some of their descisoons. Eleceed still is my favorite manhwa, and I will still get up super early to read the new chapter. I criticise because I love it, and I know the potential the story does have. In the very beginning, the story shined. Every character had their moment. The sotry felt real, personal. Everyone felt unique and interesting. The dynamics of love and growth. Together! But as you say, the author sees that kayden and jiwoo are the most favored and to keep up with the demand are forceed to push the focus justn them. Im not really as "done" with the series as i made it sound. perhaps you're right. I need to take a moment to reread and rekindle my love. It's also sad that the other person I got onto reading the series with me dropped it wayyyy before even I did, even with me defending it. But I will continue reading it still. I will continue to watch your videos and comment... and making fun of zayeth. What happened to him btw, when I got onto your chapter review, i didn't see his usual passionate walls of text directed at you😂

EXACTLY, so many questions go unanswered in this crazy story😅

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When is dreads gonna react to TBATE 🤨

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He didn't hold back. Pluton meant that he held out meaning he took all that punishment so he can finish the fight now

Honestly, I'm getting kinda bored of eleceed. I may not be able to put it to word as eliquently as someone else. But... The writing plummeted, and there is more focus on "cool fights" than on actually developing the story and the characters we ALREADY have. We instead got introduced to even more characters, most of which weren't really needed (looking at you gastella) and romance plots that we didn't need either (jiwoo/jiyoung and kayden/Gastella) it's the same thing over and over. Bad guy shows up (usually duke) the authors tease us with the constant "jiwoo doubts himself" then his Pokémon collection of overpowered mentors pull another force controll out of their ass at just the right convenient time, which "had he not just learned would have totally made him loose," like "trust me guys had I not learned this trick at this VERY convenient time I'd have totally lost." Jiwoo wins, the fight is over, and everyone bows at his feet because "goodness, how similar he is to kayden." Rinse and repeat for the next arc. Same, predictable, boring, overused. No actual character development, no actual character growth. No effort at writing an interesting story where jiwoo actually learns something. just pointless recycled fights and setups. And so much is left unanswered! Like how the other countries can all understand each other despite being from different countries. Heck, We don't even know the names of jiwoo's other pets! We are like 300 chapters in! how is thst not the first thing people ask!? So much wasted potential. Legit, the world academy architecture introduced so many prospecting setups. The student council and how they operate, the power they hold in the student body. We could have explored how the education system operated and why it's better than other schools. Nope! Throw all that out the window. Let's instead focus on a stupid and childish joke of cat kayden mating with a cat and then proceed to stay in a single dorm room for the entirety of the arc until we get to a series of overly drawn out fights, cut out Subin's fight, taking away yet another potential good battle for her because lord knows she hasn't had an actual serious fight since Duke. And no, that Jessica chick at the beginning doesn't count. I'm talking about an actual hard fight that she WINS. But no! Let's just have a random invasion happen, jiwoo shows how selfless and self sacrificing he is, an angel descended from in high, inly for kayden and Kartein to show up, zap everyone, fix all the problems (as usual, because we all know they are just their to be an easy "fix all" button) and call it a day. Yes, what great writing... it is no longer the same eleceed

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Not gonna lie that this chapter is 🔥 the art style is so good 🤤

27:52 that's was translation error in real source it's says that created an opening for jiwoo not duke man!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't forget in early chapters of academy arc when duke is introduced he already had a super speed ability it just that it couldn't compared to speed which jiwoo has so he had long given up fighting with him with speed because it's useless that he couldn't keep up until now that he has taken a boost to his power

Duke's biggest mistake in this chapter is going in a close combat battle to jiwoo that create for jiwoo an opening to strike down duke haysst🤦 because he became greedy that wanted to beat jiwoo with his fist which is actually a stupid thing his done, if he only attack long range given that he has infinity temporal power that he has the outcome wouldn't be like that besides don't forget jiwoo had paid for this to pluton training day and night taking he's beating just for his endurance to get stronger hahaha

So glad you are talking about ORVP, it deserves so much more love. I´ve seen a lot of people saying they have read it and hopefully they discover this discussion and have a chat with us. You are correct that a re-read is much needed for my sake, it´s a very dense series so it will take time but after I´m done with re-reading tower of god this is next on the list. @16:23 during the 245 live reaction you came with the idea that the secret plotter is the author, and I like it. I trully enjoyed the dokkaeibi lore that we got from these last chapters. It gives so much for a re-read when we see how the scenarios gets created to serve the chat and also how the dokkaeibis look troubled when the chat goes in the opposite way. What do you think about the dokkaeibi - constellation relationship? Constellations are always searching for incarnations to increase their strenght and the dokkaeibi are born to create channels that give them the oppertunity to sit back and watch the streams instead of visiting planet after planet, while the conestellations are what grows the channel with donations and interactions and that grows the dokkaeibi. But are not the dokkaeibi stronger then the constellations? Since the dokkaeibi can summon the outer gods for a scenario and the constellations seems to fear them. This makes me think that the one who is controlling everything is the one that who is at the top of dokkaeibi TV. If they want all the scenarios to end in tragedy because that´s more captivating for the viewers then happy stories, then billions and billions of living things will die.

Duke is already comparable to ian patrick little brother of jurion like him both uses their abilities to form a blade that can cut through their opponents we can't deny duke growing up here in this chapter as he is obsessed to do whatever it takes to take down jiwoo this could lead to his motivation to grow stronger because of his hatred to jiwoo as he keep mastering schnauder force control, even his senior disciple roist is awe to see what he can do when fully unleashed his abilities towards jiwoo, too bad he always trigger in the fight whenever jiwoo manage to advance in their fight that was his moment to totally lose his cool that lead to his defeat unlike jiwoo who is always calm even in dire situations in fight same as he's master kayden

Bro try to read manga title is Sakamoto days it is hype as damn broo if you know it

I play commander 😅

You welcome here anytime 😊 carterville is a small town 😅 our town is so welcoming and I'm sure ud love to visit , you going to blow up big time bro

It's so good these times be fire , 🔥 jiwoo won this fight against Duke big time it's going to confirm him being top 100 💯 👏 👌 🙌 mark my words Duke some how beat number 100 and was in that spot but jiwoo just booted him down 😅

Man snheicder definitely wants Jiwoo as a disciple

Actually, I think you don’t realize the difference in level between a Top 100 and Duke. You know that Roist, with one hand, if he wants to, can kill Duke. Like, literally, he can no-diff him, or even negative-diff him. The gap between a Top 100 and Duke is massive. That’s why… Actually, Roist is in the category of World Rankers. Like, awakened ones such as Dran, Dark, or the Klein Brothers, who are so many times stronger than Duke, aren’t even in the global Top 100 ranking like Roist. And they’re not even considered World Rankers. But Roist and Muse are. So, the difference in level is enormous. Once again, there’s a reason why some awakened ones are called World Rankers and others aren’t.

Great talk in the start, Love it! Many of us readers, myself more than others are many times too rushed with ideas and wants for the future and not enjoying the moment enough. I won´t stop theory crafting about things we don´t know because that is fun. I´m wrong all the time but still got nothing but love for the webtoon. Secret plotter is the author? So fitting! Who gave Kim the webtoon before the first scenario? What´s behind the 4th wall, the author ofc! Great idea! Great energy, great video! It´s going to be a great 2025