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@blhack123
@blhack123 4 күн бұрын
How do you like this machine?
@user-jp1qt8ut3s
@user-jp1qt8ut3s 4 күн бұрын
The grease gun you linked doesn't even fit. It's not the same at all 😞
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 4 күн бұрын
That’s interesting - did it look the same in the photo when you ordered it? Maybe the shop sent you the wrong one?
@Demimanza
@Demimanza 5 күн бұрын
if you're afraid for your vacuum, you may add a little decompression valve on the vacuum entry and search for the right vac / decompression ratio to be able to fix the piece without crashing the vac motor. my old vac had such a button to avoid too much effort while cleaning fabric like carpets
@Demimanza
@Demimanza 5 күн бұрын
you're a genious ;-) my ultimate bee 15*15 waits to be upgraded too ! thanks in advance for sharing your tips & knowledge
@GearGrinder01
@GearGrinder01 7 күн бұрын
incrediblaa
@brianvanroy1528
@brianvanroy1528 9 күн бұрын
I can’t wait. I watched all of your videos. Just finished my build. Haven’t been able to cut yet due to the RA485 issue which xPRO will not update. There is one, drive works but now servos stopped working. So I’m about to switch to the PWM control until I have more time. It’s a sweet machine. I will follow along as you build the vac table. I’m ready when you are. Thank you btw, you help me decide on the machine and the build. It’s been a smooth ride.
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995 10 күн бұрын
Can you send me the links for the different type of screw sets you had got for extras for use on this cnc?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 10 күн бұрын
Yup, the links for everything used are in the description just below the video, it should be the second link!
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995 10 күн бұрын
​@@G28CNCokay is the M5 size the only size you ended up needing?
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995 9 күн бұрын
@@G28CNC ok then thank you one more question are the M5 screws the only size I will need or was there any other ones that you were shorted on?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 9 күн бұрын
@Splinterfingerswoodworking8995 just the M5’s and I’ve heard the same from a few people so you should be good to go!
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995 9 күн бұрын
@@G28CNC awesome thanks
@albertotrevisi9411
@albertotrevisi9411 11 күн бұрын
first of all thank you for answering me, I use corel draw and then export to dxf, but my question is different, that is, having purchased a Bulk-man 3D cnc with an offline controller, how can I make the cnc recognize the file, can you I wonder if you have made a tutorial on this topic, that is, a video on how to make a file and then export it to the CNC. I thank you again for your availability
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 11 күн бұрын
@@albertotrevisi9411 gotcha- so I’ve heard that there is a Corel plugin called camDraw- I have not used it myself but it would be the bridge you are looking for to turn your file into a tool path for the machine to follow- otherwise you’ll have to export your vectors from Corel into another program to process them into machine instructions.
@albertotrevisi9411
@albertotrevisi9411 12 күн бұрын
hi, I signed up to your channel, I hope you can give me answers to my questions, I purchased (it will arrive in March) a bulk-man 3d 100x100 cm, with offline controller, my doubt is about the creation of the files, can you give me any suggestions, thanks
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 11 күн бұрын
For sure! What kind of projects are you hoping to do? There are lots of options for software and they all have their pros and cons. Personally I use carveco maker for signs and artsy stuff, vcarving, etc. It’s fast and easy and have built in fonts and tools for that kind of stuff. For precision machining in aluminum and delrin I start my designs in solidworks and then export to fusion 360 for CAM. You could skip solidworks entirely, it’s just what I like and am used to but they do the same thing. There are other options as well: vectric, carbide create, easel, and many more.
@Jrm5814
@Jrm5814 29 күн бұрын
I have a ratrig killerbee, any ideas to stiffen that axis? I was thinking machine a large carbon fiber sheet to go on the back of the axis, but idk whats best
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 23 күн бұрын
@@Jrm5814 I’ve though about an x brace from plate to plate or something, or adding a thing (1/8” or so) steel plate stiffener across the back. I don’t think it would take much
@menoahgunzel8146
@menoahgunzel8146 Ай бұрын
Hello sir, I am very impressed with your skills. I am looking to buy the AR4 and a cnc machine soon as well to machine bicycle parts. Can i ask you what software you're using for the cnc machine? Keep ip the Good work!
@G28CNC
@G28CNC Ай бұрын
@@menoahgunzel8146 thank you for the kind words! For software I have a workflow that has pretty consistently yielded good parts for me. CAD: I tend to use solidworks for modeling my parts. It just what I am used to and prefer but you could also use the free version of fusion 360 CAM: for precision parts I use fusion 360 for CAM. It has advanced tool paths and I can make modification and add sketches on the fly while doing my CAM. I also use carveco for for some CAM, if I’m making something with simple geometry or a carved sign or something more artistic. CONTROL: I use universal code sender platform for running my gcode. It’s free and consistent. I recommend the platform version specifically though! Good luck and come back if you need help!
@carlossmith267
@carlossmith267 Ай бұрын
What size drill bit??? please help
@G28CNC
@G28CNC Ай бұрын
What’s going on? What are you using to router out the pocket?
@newagainresurfacingn.q.ngu4218
@newagainresurfacingn.q.ngu4218 Ай бұрын
do you find any limitations to you ultimate bee ? i’m interested
@G28CNC
@G28CNC Ай бұрын
@@newagainresurfacingn.q.ngu4218 my only real complaint is the design of the x axis- I wish that the spindle had a little bit more travel and that the extrusion were stationary and a plate moved. It’s not a huge deal but if you notice, I am limited on how deep I can plunge by the combination of the two. Imagine I had something 5” in height that I wanted to mill into a few inches. There’s not a great way to go that because the extrusion will bottom out. Again, it’s not a big deal because of what most people I tend to use the machine for and the price is great. I tend to use my small machine more (it’s a queen bee) but that’s because it’s set up for aluminum and that’s what I work with more often.
@Iamtherodlight1453.
@Iamtherodlight1453. 3 ай бұрын
So happy for you.
@CaliLuke
@CaliLuke 3 ай бұрын
I'm curious about the water flow indicator you have on the coolant pipe, where did you get it? I can't find one that I know for sure is compatible with the tubing I have so if you could share it would save me a headache :)
@armandsdreijers5983
@armandsdreijers5983 4 ай бұрын
Your work is amazing, all doing this for community is just priceless. I was wondering if grnd should be connected together with 12v grnd or it shout be seperate like in your diagram? I got confused when insaw your diagram next to bulkman cnc diagram
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for checking it out! Which ground are you asking about? If it’s the earth ground on the spindle then definitely DO NOT connect it to any DC grounds- do you have a link to the bulkman diagram you’re referring to? I could check it out and get back to you- if you get super stuck, hit me up on Instagram (g28_cnc)and we can do messenger as well
@LIMoto-oh5tx
@LIMoto-oh5tx 4 ай бұрын
what is that on the coolant lines a flow meter?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 4 ай бұрын
Yup, just a really simple indicator for peace of mind that there is indeed flow through the spindle since you can’t hear the pump during operation
@bblloobb1000
@bblloobb1000 4 ай бұрын
hi, your videos are very helpfull for me as owner of bulkman ultimate bee 750x1000. As seen from video you are cleaning rails with alcohol C2H5OH, or ch380 izopropil. is this cleaning procedure MUST or can simply just grease rails
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 3 ай бұрын
@@bblloobb1000 I cleaned everything off that had the sticky packing grease on it from shipping. I think it might vary from purchase to purchase but for me, the rails has an almost tacky feel and I used 70% isopropyl to get it off and then greased them with a superLube PTFE grease. I clean the rails after every use with wiping and regreasing included if I used misting or light flooding so they don’t rust
@bblloobb1000
@bblloobb1000 3 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC thanks. your videos for asembling were very helpful. thanks again
@Revopoint3D
@Revopoint3D 4 ай бұрын
Wow, you got an amazing result.
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 4 ай бұрын
The baby powder was surprising but very difficult to clean 😂
@rrr92462
@rrr92462 4 ай бұрын
I like your coolant flow indicator. Can you provide a link or tell us where you bought it?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 4 ай бұрын
For sure, it works great and gives some peace of mind: amzn.to/3SQHD1G
@royhink1
@royhink1 5 ай бұрын
Awesome videos, Thanks. What did you end up doing with the ungrounded ground in the VFD for the spindle cable?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 5 ай бұрын
@@royhink1 I tied everything to ground through the power cable. As long as you connect all of your intended grounds to the ground lead of your power cord you’ll be good
@royhink1
@royhink1 5 ай бұрын
I’ve got a question about spindle cable wiring: I wired the spindle plug red-green-blue-yellow (1,2,3,4). So what is my ground? Is it the 4th pin wire? Excellent set of videos, many Thanks!
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 5 ай бұрын
@@royhink1 the wire color is arbitrary, but I did follow a convention to use green for ground. You should be able to use a meter and find which of the 4 pins is connected to the case. I honestly don’t remember now and it could potentially differ from spindle to spindle from what I’ve seen. The important thing is that you stick to some convention and are consistent with the wires when you wire them on the VFD
@MattPatterson1988
@MattPatterson1988 5 ай бұрын
I cant get passed the way you say 'sorder' instead of 'solder'
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 5 ай бұрын
😂 I’d say it’s more of a “sodder” than “sorder”
@jlinhsienkung
@jlinhsienkung 5 ай бұрын
...be sure NOT to use alcohol in that! that type of plastic does not like it and WILL crack over time. I have the same unit - reached out to the distributor - only to be told, "..yup we know" you can buy a replacement or upgrade to the next size. To this day i havent been able to locate anything that states not to use alcohol !
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 5 ай бұрын
@@jlinhsienkung good tip- I’ve only been using trim mist, but I’m sure many people would go to the IPA
@nelsoncastano9779
@nelsoncastano9779 5 ай бұрын
Hello friend, it looks like a very powerful and robust machine, I like it because it uses Hiwin-type linear guides.
@rotufacilbarcelona
@rotufacilbarcelona 5 ай бұрын
Salud desde españa. Soy Antonio y vi tus videos estupendos sobre fresadora cnc ultimate bee. Soy novato y monté en la máquina, pero me es muy difícil crear una buena macro inicial para hacer homing y prepararse para trabajar. No entiendo bien código Gcode ¿Serias tan amable de enviarme alguna macro para inicializarla? Muchas gracias Antonio
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995 5 ай бұрын
Are the grease fittings on this the same as they are on automotive grease fittings or are they special fittings and require a special grease gun? Also do you happen to know how much grease you are having to put into them?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 5 ай бұрын
The fittings in the ball nut are a standard size- the fittings on the linear bearings are not and they are honestly a huge pain in the a$$. I have recently been using a syringe and small EFD needle to grease those- I grease them until I see the grease come out from the rail area.
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995
@splinterfingerswoodworking8995 5 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC ok then thank you I currently have a shapeoko 4 XXL but I'm looking for a CNC with a 4ft x 4ft work area and I'm strongly considering the ultimate bee
@jasonparker1454
@jasonparker1454 6 ай бұрын
i was looking for the spoilboard assembly but you simply forgot it :D
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 6 ай бұрын
Ahh, I named it by the sections in the bulkman manual- are you looking for making the actual spoilboard?
@aldensnow7125
@aldensnow7125 7 ай бұрын
I finally decided to attempt to install the relay in my controller to operate the VFD/spindle. Using your instructions in this video, it worked almost flawlessly. Obviously I missed a step, though, because when I enter m3 with the limit switches set, I receive a hard stop error. If I turn off the limit switch setting, it works perfectly. Any thoughts of where I went wrong? Thanks again for all the work you do for the CNC community!
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
This definitely sounds like the spindle trips the limit. Did you put capacitors in parallel to your limit switches?
@aldensnow7125
@aldensnow7125 7 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC I agree, but I can't find the short. I did put the capacitors in the limit switch wiring. Thank you for the quick response!
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 3 ай бұрын
I didn’t see your response until just now- are you still having issues?
@aldensnow7125
@aldensnow7125 3 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC Totally my fault. I should have let you know I reconnected all wires and it turned out to be a short in my Z axis. My apology for not responding. Thank you for the follow-up!
@aguyandhistools
@aguyandhistools 7 ай бұрын
Hi, thank you for making this video as it’s been very helpful. My only question is, what is connected to the second relay besides the ground jumper?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching dude- I threw that second relay in so I could wire it in to turn the mist or dust on and off but kinda just putting in as a placeholder and hadn’t needed it yet. On the grbl controller there is a pin dedicated to mist so if you’re planning to do aluminum or other metals you can wire it up to turn on automatically in certain CAM software, which is pretty rad
@aguyandhistools
@aguyandhistools 7 ай бұрын
ah okay, great. I was worried I was doing something wrong but I went ahead and fired it up and it worked fine. I had some problems controlling the speed even after using the settings from “i’ll do it myself” as well as yours. I additionally had to change max speed in grbl, as well as pd44, 72, and 73 to get it to accept a speed. Everything works great, thank you.
@mciarlillo
@mciarlillo 7 ай бұрын
Awesome stuff! How’s the rigidity of such a large machine when doing aluminum work?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
The rigidity is not all that great but now that I’m starting to understand the limits it’s going great- I think swapping out the mdf for something more solid would also limit some vibrations that come through but all in all for a $1k machine with freight I’d highly recommend this machine over others
@mciarlillo
@mciarlillo 7 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC this is awesome to hear and yes that’s a hell of a good price on the machine. I went with a Rat Rig Stronghold One as my first machine and I’m almost done wiring everything. It has a 1250mm x 1250mm working area with 40 series extrusions so it seems pretty similar overall -which helps to give me an idea of what to expect.
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
@@mciarlillothat’s awesome- toolpaths in fusion (versus carveco in this video) give you some more control and options that let you dial in a little better. Adaptive toolpaths definitely help a lot in offsetting the rigidity issues
@Martin-uj6zn
@Martin-uj6zn 7 ай бұрын
power wise, do you see a huge difference?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
I don’t think the true power difference can be achieved for me since I’m running it off 110 and I’m current limited BUT not having to deal with the ER11 collet is 100% worth the switch. I’m enjoying using the machine in a whole different way now
@kyleprovancher4096
@kyleprovancher4096 7 ай бұрын
Great videos!.. I do not recommend that you really crank on your servo motor screws... I just broke my screw holding the motor together.
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
I think I saw your post on the queenbee group! That is a huge bummer. Did you find that the holes were not fully drilled to the right diameter?
@kyleprovancher4096
@kyleprovancher4096 7 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC No, to me. It looks like the spacer is not big enough. I lined it up on the other Y axis and I have 1/8 inch gap in my spacer and the axis and spindle are touching. (I was able to see this without the coupler installed) Sorry to bog your feed. You have great videos! I was just hoping for more support.
@thedude6650
@thedude6650 7 ай бұрын
How well do you like this table setup so far? Is it sturdy/rigid enough? I’m wondering if it shifts/moves any when you’re doin rapid movements.
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
The table has a slit flex in the center, but I hadn’t put a lot of cross bars underneath- I think doing 12” center to centers or something similar would have taken care of that- I’m on a second story residential so I just get concerned about adding more and more weight to the floor. If you’re in a garage or something similar I think the table is a great foundation that you can beef up pretty easily without needing to start from scratch
@WestCoastADV
@WestCoastADV 8 ай бұрын
Hey man Thanks so much :) my actual question which I figured out or think i figured out lol was with the one Y axis stepper wire, What I ended up doing is putting it in the channel of one of the cross brace extrusions, and then it came out right by where my Y drag chain was , but my dumb as was using those limit switch brackets wrong I was using them sideways instead of vertically like you did so thanks so much for letting me see the error in my ways :D
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
How’s it going for you so far?
@WestCoastADV
@WestCoastADV 6 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC Going alright, she is moving now lol still concerned about my y axis its alot noisier than the X or Z, I get that it was more weight / load on it, but curious if yours is the same ? also I went with a MACH3 controller instead of Grbl which is starting to bite me, finding out info on getting the Spindle working through the controller has been challenging lol but today I made some invisible boxes hoping to install a bit and make them actual boxes next lol
@WestCoastADV
@WestCoastADV 8 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on tramming the ultimate bee in ?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 8 ай бұрын
Coming your way in a few days!
@WestCoastADV
@WestCoastADV 8 ай бұрын
haha YUP I went for the 2.2 out of the box, er20 is far more universal and you get some ATC options for er20 :D
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
Have you checked out any of the BT30 options with the ATC?
@WestCoastADV
@WestCoastADV 6 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC I was considering getting the Rapid Change system looks really good
@oldmanwoodcraft
@oldmanwoodcraft 8 ай бұрын
First of all thanks for your step by step tutorial . it helped me alot. i just finished my 750x750 ultimate Bee with a cnc xpro v5. i see it is not your first build . maybe you can assist ?i am trying 2 software A gsender and cncjs on the gsender i can't open the look and on the cncjs i get a message check door . any idea Thanks
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 8 ай бұрын
I’m not super familiar with the xpro but I do know there are a few versions of the firmware and they pertain to the door safety switch, estop and limit switches and whether or not they are normally open or normally closed wiring. Are you using a door safety switch? If not then there is probably a way to disarm that
@oldmanwoodcraft
@oldmanwoodcraft 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much.
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
@oldmanwoodcraft thank you! How’d you make out?
@kiwiscanwifi
@kiwiscanwifi 8 ай бұрын
Good video thanks.. Did seem to some flex on that x sideways and twist still on the stepper..
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 8 ай бұрын
There is some flex and twist- I did another video, it may be in my shorts- I actually measured the flex with an indicator on both my queenbee 7575 and ultimate bee 1515. It’s not as bad as I would have guessed but it is there for sure
@max_rublev
@max_rublev 8 ай бұрын
Thank you. I didn't search full sizes fo Ultimate Bee. It's very unusual, but in official site, on AliExpress this information is absent. P.S. Sorry for my English 😊
@WestCoastADV
@WestCoastADV 8 ай бұрын
xD ok i have rewatched your entire series, you cover everything in super fine detail BUT the routing of the stepper motor Drivers wiring I know it was probably simple for you but if im asking these questions other people must also be asking them! :D also was your Y axis limit Switch also ridiculously short ?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching- hope this helps! kzbin.infoC9dCeKSnUu4?si=0DZ4JmM9EeYxtdSA
@sparks-tech
@sparks-tech 9 ай бұрын
Sweet. That looks great!
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@WestCoastADV
@WestCoastADV 9 ай бұрын
haha my local bulkmancnc distributor (South Africa) included links to your videos for the assembly process your obviously doing something right :P keep it up man your content has been a wealth of information for me while I wait for shipping and rest assured im gonna grow really tired of your voice once I start assembling :'D I imagine I probably count for like 50% of the views on each build video
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 9 ай бұрын
That’s awesome- maybe I should have been a little more animated. To keep from boring people 😂 feel free to hit me up if you run into any problems and good luck- it’s a really fun experience
@Luandrn
@Luandrn 7 ай бұрын
Would that be neotronics? Or is there another one? I’m about to buy one myself but the feedback and reviews on this thing is so extremely limited that I’m just not sure if it’s worth it.
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 7 ай бұрын
@@Luandrn the machine is from Bulkman 3D, they’re a Chinese supplier. It’s my second machine from them and I’m happy with both so far!
@sparks-tech
@sparks-tech 9 ай бұрын
Love the video series, really apricate it. My 1010 Ultimate Bee should be here soon and I feel way more prepared with your videos. How did the air line connectors work with the coolant?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 9 ай бұрын
It’s pretty much plug and play, there is a barbed connector for the output of the water pump- the tube leaves the pump, goes to the spindle, leaved the spindle and then just dumps back into the water vessel. I used a Rubbermaid for the water and drilled two holes in the lid for the hose. I also added a flow indicator (link is in the video description)
@sparks-tech
@sparks-tech 9 ай бұрын
Sweet, My Ultimate Bee is on the way, is this something you will be making available?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 9 ай бұрын
I definitely had aspirations to release the files and a build document. Time always gets in the way! Which spindle did you get? I could definitely share some files and info with you-
@sparks-tech
@sparks-tech 9 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC I have a 65mm Water cooled spindle.
@WestCoastADV
@WestCoastADV 6 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC Do you perhaps have the files for the 80mm spindle :D
@barbiegirl102986
@barbiegirl102986 9 ай бұрын
where did you find the written instructions for the motor and limit switches? I found the directions for the drag chain, but can't find anything for the wiring. Your videos have been sooo.... helpful! ❤
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 9 ай бұрын
Sorry for the late reply- I don’t think I ever did find any instructions for the limits. Are you having issues? I can definitely give you some help if you haven’t gotten it working
@Blacklaboratory
@Blacklaboratory 9 күн бұрын
Hello. Can you help me understand where and how to hook up the limit switches? Please. ​@@G28CNC
@barbiegirl102986
@barbiegirl102986 10 ай бұрын
what kind of greese gun tip are you using? are the tips compatible/interchangeable with most gease guns? and how much greese do i put in for the 1st use and when i do the maintenance? I'm brand new to this, so sorry if it's a dumb question. 😊
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 10 ай бұрын
Not a bad question at all! I intended to give a nice video on this but hadn’t had the opportunity yet- I’ve most recently been using a needle attachment in my mini grease gun that is small enough to push the ball of the fitting in. I put enough grease in that it starts to come out of the bearing between the rail. I grease 1-2 time a month depending on how frequently I use the machine. I also clean the rails after every use to get any chips off.
@emilelacasse3367
@emilelacasse3367 10 ай бұрын
love the video's, you mentioned about sag on the x gantry, i believe, so you went with the 1.5kw was just wondering how bad the sag was and what length was the x aise. would also like your feedback on closed loop
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 10 ай бұрын
I ended up actually taking some measurements- it’s not too bad and knowing what I do now, I would have just gotten the 2.2kw for the 1515 - here’s that video: CNC Rigidity; comparing the flex of an Ultimate Bee 1515 and Queen Bee Pro 7575 #cncrouter #diycnc kzbin.infofACMqH_SIKE?feature=share
@barbiegirl102986
@barbiegirl102986 10 ай бұрын
did you make your table? I know a 5x5 is kinda hard to find premadw
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 10 ай бұрын
On this one I went with the Kreg system- it ended up costing about the same as the steel I bought and welded for my first cnc. Here’s the video so you can see if it would work for you : Ultimate Bee CNC table build - Kreg Tool work bench #diycnc #cncrouter #woodworking kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWW2qKhuobl7f5Y
@bentezh
@bentezh 10 ай бұрын
What end mill you have used?
@G28CNC
@G28CNC 10 ай бұрын
This is a pretty inexpensive speedtiger, I have been using their end mills more and more! Here's the link: amzn.to/3wozdGB
@bentezh
@bentezh 10 ай бұрын
@@G28CNC thanks a lot