Despite these tactics, approx. 25% of United Methodist local congregations have succeeded in disafilliating from the progressive bullies. The percentage would probably be much higher if it weren't for the tactics.
@user-yw5mu3kv8u3 ай бұрын
100% of the Bible is inspired, inerrant, infallible. God's Word is not a cafe menu where you get to choose what you "think" the writer meant to say. Black and white ... sodomy is an abomination (gross sin); women are not to be leaders over men in the church and to keep quite; pastors are to preach the GOOD NEWS [Jesus died for the sins of HIS flock, rose in 3 days, and we can be His if we REPENT and follow Him as LORD] as read from the Bible - not BLM / DEI / not social justice / not name it and claim it / not tongues / not health and wealth / not good works will save you. The UMC has been transformed into a "cult" of sodomites by their Bishops and pastors.
@lorenzell31043 ай бұрын
An empty church doesn't have much value today. Maybe the membership could all leave and meet in another church building or meeting place and later come back and buy it at its true market value.
@laurencesar77588 ай бұрын
Our friend is a retired Methodist minister who just got a letter saying that since he is now retired and attending a different church he will no longer receive his pension. Is that true?
@dennett73mk9 ай бұрын
When you let religion rule your life and make you a hater, it's time to give it up and stop being brainwashed by ignorance.
@hexahexametermeter9 ай бұрын
Arbitrary tyranny is the prime reason I was never a Methodist.
@jomontgomery292210 ай бұрын
Is it too late to disaffiliate from the UMC? We submitted our disaffiliation letter. I was told it was too late to disaffiliate by our local bishop.
@daltontomichplc285510 ай бұрын
It really depends on what Conference you are in. In most, it is too late to file. But there are other things that you can do.
@leoinsf Жыл бұрын
When you focus on Old Testament "sin awareness" instead of Jesus' love and charity awareness, young people refuse to become members since the "fear factor" is non-existent for them. The fear of "going to hell" as a basis for "running to Church" requires ignorance and a person who is basically fearful. Young people are basically not fearful people. They require intelligence, charity, and total acceptance of all peoples when they join a church. The present Methodist problem is strictly a "middle-aged" - "old-aged" situation, not a "young" person problem! I think God is "thinning out the non-Jesus people" in the church. Acceptance of gay people is a critical issue for the present church and it is my belief that the "new Christianity" will happen because of this issue!
@leoinsf Жыл бұрын
The issue of "women pastors" makes this dispute ridiculous! We are not living in the 1800's or the early 1900's when women couldn't even vote. For the United Methodist Church to allow this ridiculous turmoil of an issue that was settled long ago shows the fact that the Methodist Church considers their constitution and even their total focus on the Old Testament more important than Jesus! The ultimate focus should be: "What would Jesus think!"
@rkb38313 Жыл бұрын
* FACT * Every denomination that has gone "welcoming & affirming" has lost churches & members. * Reason * The Bible believing folks have grown tired of seeing the verses stretched & twisted like a rubber band to make certain sinful lifestyles acceptable. * Remember * Jesus stated "Go and sin no more" NOT "That's okay, we'll lower the standards". * Prediction * The historic church denominations that have lost their scriptural way will continue to lose members {example: United Church of Canada}, while the local churches who have not polluted the Bible will gain members and impact their communities for Christ.
@elizabethcraven7417 Жыл бұрын
Has this issue been officially voted on yet???? How can the UMC require churches to “pay to leave” when the UMC is not upholding the other rules in the Book of Doctrine? If the official vote for/against LGBTQ clergy has yet to be held at a UMC General Conference, how can the UMC denomination already be considered as “progressives” and the traditional/conservative member/churches have to “accept” it or leave? I feel like I may have missed a piece of this puzzle. Someone please explain. Thank you.
@user-nt3wf6ko2i Жыл бұрын
I am done with organized religion. The amount of lies and deception with both sides makes me sick.
@coolfix948 Жыл бұрын
Spiritual splits are not the question here it's the splitting of church properties.
@charlesrussell6201 Жыл бұрын
Shame on all you quitters. What about your vow? WWJD I ask. Not what you quitters have done.
@scottgallivan4974 Жыл бұрын
"Enjoy" these calming articles, voices of reason, while in a bit of testy situation!
@jeanghiberti9944 Жыл бұрын
PCUSA is a vile and wicked organization holding churches ransom for the money they can gouge.
@algieabrams2278 Жыл бұрын
Why is it that everyone who rememebers the 5-6 admonitions in the bible about Same Sex anything dont seem to remember the 40-50 places where gluttony called a sin. What a bunch of fat hypocrites.
@timwood6115 Жыл бұрын
It's unfortunate that there are situations in which churches believe they need legal representation to disaffiliate. This law firm has the right to offer these services to churches and to promote their services. I am concerned, though, that in some cases, churches have retained legal counsel without trying to negotiate in good faith with their annual conference. Churches have the right do retain counsel, but should do so only if good faith negotiations fail.
@mariahewitt1841 Жыл бұрын
In terms of percentages, how many churches (nationally) have left or disaffiliated from the UMC? As of Jan 1, 2023. Does anyone know?
@daltontomichplc2855 Жыл бұрын
According to a Christianity Today article of January 24, 2023, more than 1800 churches have left. This would be about 7% percent of churches. The more interesting calculation is the loss of members. See, www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/january/umc-churches-leave-global-methodist-denomination-schism.html
@48Ballen Жыл бұрын
when you don't follow the Word of God, this outcome is inevitable.
@kevinmcdonald6446 Жыл бұрын
So "Thou shalt not steal" can be gotten around too. When the ungodly are allowed to lead. When the historians get around to chronicling the history this period in Methodism, people won't be able to believe the tactics of the UMC.
@GermanShepherd1983 Жыл бұрын
I've never understood how the parent denomination can think they own the local churches property. If the local church bought it, paid for it, and maintained it, it's the locals property. They should be able to leave any time they want. That is reason #1 why I won't attend a Reformed denomination.
@joelcaffey3253 Жыл бұрын
We hold title deed to our property united methodist doesnt why cant we leave when we want thats the.way we joined
@mikemichaels6430 Жыл бұрын
What steps to protect the Church property?
@Mat514Light Жыл бұрын
I am assuming, since it is not mentioned here, there is really no way to keep annual conference bishops from taking whatever they like? How did we end up with leaders like this?
@cliffordishii3738 Жыл бұрын
Bishops cannot stop Methodists dissatisfied with UMC from becoming Biblical Christians.
@cliffordishii3738 Жыл бұрын
Those leaving UMC should consider becoming Biblical Christians, because in doing so they can worship God at any time and in any place (John 4:23-24). No denominations or their buildings needed.
@KT37915A Жыл бұрын
This whole thing is all about the money, and it makes me sick.
@mississippichris Жыл бұрын
I wonder if "exigent circumstances" allows for bad faith. Serving UMC corporate is not necessarily connected with serving God. Does that matter to the bishops?
@cliffordishii3738 Жыл бұрын
Methodists unhappy with UMC can become Biblical Christians and worship God and fellowship at any time and in any place without a denomination or their buildings.
@Cats32.5 Жыл бұрын
The Methodist are full of liars and false teachers they will find out in the end. I feel sorry for them, for they will truly know what fire and brimstone are. They are truly evil.
@jamesshoemaker3842 Жыл бұрын
I love you too 😘
@bobbyallen7977 Жыл бұрын
These big mainstream " churches" are nothing but cookie cutter institutions.Theyve forgotten their first love.
@bobbyallen7977 Жыл бұрын
So the denomination has become so instituted that it's more interested in politics rather than following Jesus and biblical principles.
@rockysharp5817 Жыл бұрын
What is going to happen to methods children homes ???
@ThreePhaseHigh Жыл бұрын
Question is how did the conservative or should I say traditional church who won every vote get the 💩 end of the stick. Why aren’t we giving the orders.
@aloneranger3980 Жыл бұрын
"Progressive" bishops are causing church members to leave or not contribute money thereby allowing those bishops to close Jesus' churches one by one. Satan's work is being accomplished by this method.
@katherinepll Жыл бұрын
So, it’s okay for some liberal bishops and leaders to ignore the voted-on laws in the Discipline, but the churches who want to leave have to obey the laws? Sounds a little bit like anarchy and hypocrisy.
@gottaspeakout4272 Жыл бұрын
Which states are you more likely to be successful exiting out of using 2548.2 rather than 2553?
@daltontomichplc2855 Жыл бұрын
At this point in time, most conferences are not allowing churches to leave under 2548.2.
@mcneillmama50 Жыл бұрын
The Wesleyan Church is the 2nd fastest growing church in the world. Come join us for real worship.
@mcneillmama50 Жыл бұрын
I won't donate anymore of my hard earned and fixed social security income to a denomination that denies the deity and holiness of God. That is the whole point and focus of my worship and the umc took it away.
@mcneillmama50 Жыл бұрын
Yep. The bishops get richer while the few faithful left in the pews can't afford gas in their cars, groceries and healthcare insurance. Shame on you greedy ppl. You've turned the house of God into a mockery of money changers that Jesus will run out with a whip.
@marilynadams349 Жыл бұрын
2548
@two-moonz29532 жыл бұрын
Just leave and become independent. People are the church. Bishops and bureaucrats can go and take a running jump. Without the people the Bishops and bureaucrats won't get paid!
@conniearnold99692 жыл бұрын
Penny cost
@stanley9172 жыл бұрын
Gave up on the UMC many years ago when I saw that it is just another money machine.
@arthurgearheard4701 Жыл бұрын
Quite a few Churches in other Denominations are, too!
@drg4242 жыл бұрын
You can't go against the word of God, and enter the kingdom of heaven. Scripture is against the LGBTQ lifestyle, it's written plain as day thesolonians example.
@BuyingSpace2 жыл бұрын
The churches that are leaving are homophobic. The split is about LGBTQ exceptence. They wouldn't have to leave if they would love and welcome everyone into the church. Stop try to do God's job. It's up to God to judge people. We are not supposed to be a respector of persons. We are not to guard the gates of Heaven. We are to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to everyone.
@BuyingSpace2 жыл бұрын
@@skiboy617 I do read my Bible and pray. I will pray for you 🙏 and you realize that God is love and all means all.
@oliviaortiz5157 Жыл бұрын
@@BuyingSpace -- ALL MEANS ALL, BUT ONLY IF INLINE WITH THE WRITTEN WORD OF THE LIVING GOD OF ABRAM, ISAAC AND JACOB‼️, NOT ANY HUMANS WORD
@Mat514Light Жыл бұрын
@@billelliott2374 I think you need to begin looking at scriptures in reference to the covenants that were in place and who they applied to. For example, the Law of Moses was given to the Israelites and not the gentiles. The New Covenant applies to us and as Paul states in Romans 8:2 that we are under the Law of the Spirit of Life.
@sonnyboy89573 ай бұрын
No it’s not, its about right and wrong, following GOD, or following satan.
@geoffreyeble322 ай бұрын
@@oliviaortiz5157U r soo g hay
@gregstaton1282 жыл бұрын
Our church has disafillated with UMC....UMC IS headed for DESTRUCTION
@d.k.barker94652 жыл бұрын
One good thing to look forward to---> The Great White Throne Jugdment when these corrupt, disgraceful "Methodist Bishops" will have to stand before Almighty God and give an account for their actions, closing churches and selling church properties to pay for their lavish salaries and pensions. Now we know for sure. It was never about scripture. It was always about power, popularity, wealth and lording it over the flock. It would be better if they had a millstone tied around their neck and were dropped into the sea.