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@@casuallygamin9 w?

GOverlay for linux and MSI afterburner. I configured GOverlay to be able to capture stats for up to 2 min

As for the settings, it depends what you want to see. I wat to see the GPU core speed, memory utilizarion, gpu temps. You need to set what is important to you.

@@casuallygamin9 Reason I was asking is, if the capturing interval is not the same for both Windows and Linux, then the stats will not be correct, as RTSS/Afterburner will by default capture at a bigger interval, affecting the averages

You mean hiw fast it reads the stats. I made sure that is the same on bith OSs

@@casuallygamin9 What are those settings if I may ask?

I totally agree that more VRAM is better. The issue is that Nvidia is releasing GPUs with low VRAM capacity, as the 5070 is rumored to have 12gb. I think that the gaming industry is moving forward with upscaling and this helps a bit with relaxing the memory needs. But high quality texture require more VRAM, so only GPU vendors can help with this. Hopefully Intel and Amd will release competitive products soon.

The issue is when people can fix vram hog by adjusting to optimal settings without losing quality. People complain about vram capacity since they tend to set the settings' bar high all the time. nonetheless, NVIDIA are providing the utmost minimum for their product which is why I'm switching to AMD.

​@@ThePhenoix504FI3D1I agree. What I meant to say is that high texture costs less performance than VRAM. We need more VRAM so that new games don't look the same as 5 years ago. Have a look at Control and the last Tomb Raider. Those 2 games still look good. The only way to surpass those is better quality texture. I moded Cyberpunk 2077 with higher quality texters, and the visuals have improved

Why do you say these are fake results. Do you expect that having more L3 cache wins in every game? This is not the case. Some games benefit from high speed clocks. This is why the 14900k with it's single core 6000+mhz enjoys wins in sime games. And the 9700x with is single core 5500+ mhz will get some wins. Sure if I use 1080p, high settings probably the 7800x3D CPU will have more wins

It runs smoother on AMD cards. The curent Nvidia drivers seem to be a bit buggy when anything else except Steam. But I do agree, linx is improving.

Yes, I updated everything to the latest version. As dor to optimize I'm not reaysure what you mean

@@casuallygamin9 Optimizing, well there are steps about optimizing Linux in the Internet. Oh and please use Arch Linux it is the most updated and the best for gaming.

@@casuallygamin9 move to Arch Linux it is way better. Try using Garuda Linux Dragonized Gaming it got Zen Kernel and it's most optimized for gaming

In my latest video I fixed this issue. Sorry for that

Yep l, rhat is a decent combor for 1440p

Msi afterburner and GOverlay averages, 1%lows and 0.1%lows and this way will be easier to conpare to other reviews out there.

Check my previous video where I check the performace difference using the 7900 XTX. I mention as well in the video that AMD fairs better then Nvidia.

radeon fanboy lol

​@@pipiapi3855... I will waste my 5 min of life on you: 1. I'm a Sr. software engineer. 2. I had 18 years of Experience using Linux. 3. Nvidia Privative Drivers on Linux are not the best vs their windows version. Thats why if you chose to use LInux as an OS I recomend to use AMD GPUs,, but if you want to waste your money on a Nvidia GPU and lose 20% performance on Linux Go ahead. SHAME ON YOU.

@@GamerEnLinux The author of this channel has a video in which Windows is better than Linux using an rx 7900xtx, if you are a blind red-eyed Linux fanboy, then your problem

@@pipiapi3855 yes champ he told me... Thanks for telling me something I already knew by him

I played games using Proton-GE, and never had an issue. But, to be honest, the performance difference is small, I found it to be just a few FPS (2-3FPS on average), so if for you Proton works best, stick with it.

@@casuallygamin9 Yeah, i thought just because the Star Wars Outlaws thing not starting, such Problems come from ProtonGE. Because they are based on Proton Experimental. Maybe you could try Star Wars with Proton 9.0.3 Official.

I tried everything. Proton, Wine and Proton-GE, and no luck. Does it work on your side?

@@casuallygamin9 There is a Tutorial on yt "Star Wars Outlaws unter Linux" Im pretty sure its a Ubisoft Connect Problem 🤷🏻‍♀️ But he uses Arch+ ProtonGE "Latest" in Lutris on Epic Store. I was just guessing because i had often Problems with NonStandard Proton. I dont have the game but interested in Performance Tests of the newest games on Linux 😅 Thanks alot for your Work. If your Audience is interested you could test Avatar Frontiers of Pandora from Time tonTime. Also very heavy RT game.

@@casuallygamin9 There is a Tutorial yt -- Star Wars Outlaws unter Linux -- . He got it up and running. I think its a Problem with ubi in general .

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Yes, unfortunately, for the time being, gaming in Linux with Nvidia GPUs means losing performance compared to Windows:(

*On Nvidia

@@huntercz1226 Windows is the KING for gaming no matter the hardware!

@@PhotoJohn80 Not so true on AMD GPUs...

@@huntercz1226 AMD GPUs are for the plebs

@@PhotoJohn80 Ok enough of trolling and ragebaits thanks

Check my previous video. It looks like you just skipped some section, as I mention that Linux works way better when paired with an AMD gpu.

you skipped this 14:31 :)

Well, like I showed in my previous video, I have VBS disabled. This is disabled by default with Windows 11 24h2. When it comes to TPM, I have it set to the default settings: Enable Firmware TPM

@@casuallygamin9 Thanks for the info, this is your first video I've seen, so I had no other context. Good thing that VBS is disabled by default now, but I believe Windows 11 still isolates processes through the Hypervisor by default, which does have a small impact on memory performance, which is important for games. I appreciate you taking time to answer my questions, and your video was very informative.

@@cpt.tombstone I just checked and it seems that hyper-v is turned off. I'm not sure that this is the case because I turned off the other 2 option that are available under core isolation section and are enabled by default. To be honest, with Windows, after each update, you need to doublecheck these settings, as Microsoft may decide to enable these by default.

​@@casuallygamin9 Just disbale VT-X in BIOS (or look for Virtualisation Settings) . Then there is nothing for Win to *activate" after a "Update" 😋

This is precisely the point why I did as well 1440p max settings, as most people who pay 900 euro or usd or even more will play at low settings 1080, or even medium settings. And as it can be seen, current CPUs can push these GPUs to their full potential at higher resolution or increased graphics settings.

It is to be honest, more so because I have a day to day job as well :). But I do like to check things and this is why I started this channel :)

@@casuallygamin9 yes)

Until anticheats doesn't support Linux many gamers wouldn't be able to fully switch to linux, sadly. I have dualboot, and when I starting PC I deciding if there is a chance I would play any of my long term played games, found myself using windows just in case, even if I haven't started any game while using pc..

This is true, a lot of online competitive games don't work on Linux

Im already a nobara 40 gamer, with a 4070 ti super, so im taking the perfomance regression here. I heavily prefer linux as an operating system and i really wish that the opensource drivers were better for nvidia.

The only scenario were i need more fps with my 4070ti is Pathtracing and there Linux is slower. As long as we have 4k60, extra performance is not relevant to me. But i running w10 + cachyos + nobara . parallel. stability and game running at all is king , so i exclusively use release version of proton, no experimental, no GE/cachy. only 9.0.3 release.

Next is a video to check Nvidia GPUs on Nobara compared to Windows 11

@@casuallygamin9 yes dude and please compare Windows 11 with Arch Linux aswell 😊🙏

Ok, I will do this in some time.

Working on a new video. It should be up in 2-3 days. Games that have RT will be tested with RT off as well

Well, you can use RT, but you need to dial it down. Look at Star Wars Outlaws, it has decent framerate with RT to low. When it comes to non RT games, it seems that Linux and Windows are evenly matched.

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At 1080 you will need the better CPU, so the 7800x3D will take the lead. Increasing the resolution takes away the advantage, as it can be seen from the results.

Power consumption is not lower, in linux it display a different value. I thought that as well before, bit someone explain that in a previous video. I have a socket power meter and it uses the same power. I was using Protone 9.0.3, not Proton GE. When you say that you got higher FPS, was it with RT on or OFF?

​ @casuallygamin9 It would be better to try the latest Proton GE on Linux Steam. That's way much different than the Steam inner/original Proton. I saw many guyz tried Linux gaming but utilizing old proton, then told us: Linux gaming sucks. Emmmmmm, that's not fair, not true Linux gaming could really be. I compared playing BlackMythWukong on Win10 22h2, Win11 24H2 and on Linux, all RT off, all with same game settings (including resolution and other graphic settings). I only have a 750w power supply. So I have to lower the voltage abit to avoid AMD spike power consumption on Windows that usually cuz blackscreen or crash. In Windows gaming, 7900XTX, 1090mv with 2525Mhz, BlackMytyWukong, this game is usually reahing 350w, some scene can reach nearly 400w, and also easily makes my rig crash (driver 24.5.1 or the Sep16th preview driver. I utilized DDU to make a clean driver install everytime). But on Linux, 2525Mhz 1090mv, usually cost 260~280w at the same scenes. The method I compare is to use shrine traveling to some specific points, then wait for a minute and record the power consumption and fps. The other advantage on Linux gaming is that I could set the voltage lower to 1075mv, but the GPU core could reach 2700Mhz or higher . It's way way way way much more stable than on Windows, and also without any crash without any issue (on Windows would probably crash with this voltage and gpu frequency while gaming). I played through all the BMWK the 2nd cycle on Linux at 1075mv 2750Mhz (set by LACT. most of the time the GPU core was 2600~2700) 350W power limit (usually 280~320 while gaming) withou any crash. ps. Jan 26, 2017, Microsoft made Direct3D shader compiler opensource. Nowadays the DXVK or Proton or something like that make it easier to translate the DX shader cache for Vulkan rendering. ps2. I didn't lie. I also did have tried many Linux (more than 15) distros the last half month cuz I got a strange login stuck issue on Fedora + KDE. Last Friday I finally figured that out that was weirdly caused by one of my SSD is not compatible with Fedora + KDE. The login stuck issue was never happened on non-fedora based ditros or non-KDE desk environment.

Proton 9.0.3 is like 2 weeks old. What tool are you using to check power consumption? I can assure you that GOverlay will show different power usage when compared to MSI Afterburner. I totally agree that Linux has gone a long way, especially on AMD hardware. Looking at the results that I showed it was on par with Windows 11 at both resolution, just losing when enabling RT, at least in some games. I checked a few months back the performance between Proton, Wine and Proton-GE and I didn't see performance difference. I will check that in some time as now I'm working on comparing windows to nobara 40 using a 4080 super and I'm out of luck. Tested mist games, but today I got a Kernel update and I'm starting all over :(

@@deleted_account4894 You are correct, thanks for the tip. I just checked in a few games with the 4080 Super, and it performs a bit better, 3-4 frames more in Black Mythh Wukong and Final Fantasy XI. Back to redoing all the tests, and because of all the mess with the latest 560 drivers, it will take a lot more to do proper testing. Much appreciated

​@@casuallygamin9 Yep. On Linux I use GOverlay. On Windows I use the AMD's Metrics Overlay. I'm so glad that you took my tip. : ) I was playing BMWK on Linux these days. Some guyz said that Linux gaming sucks and those who play games on Linux are insane. They don't believe that DX12 translating to Vulkan rendering on Linux can have better performance. After these years, thanks to MS making the DX12 shader compiler open source, the great work of DXVK and Proton, SteamDeck which making Linux communities more vibrant, and those great programmers like doitsujin and GloriousEggroll... I would like to move more of my daily work to Linux, and to claim that playing games on Linux could be a better choice. It would be appreciated if your future vids help people to consider playing games on Linux. If MS faces more competitive pressure, we could all be beneficiaries.

At the same resolution and settings?

Did you set Screen Space Reflection Quality to Psycho as I did in the test?

@@casuallygamin9 4k, everything ultra, no rt related stuff

Did you try to set to Psycho to Screen Space Reflection and see the results. I think that the performance difference that you mention is huge, you get 50% more performance. I'm curious if you use the same settings how many FPS you get

I have set things to Psycho where I can, execpt RT. Try with the exact same settings and let me know

Working on the video. I had to restart as there was a kernel update.

@@casuallygamin9 Thanks really looking forward to it, subscribed and notification bell clicked! Ill send a "Thanks" you way when the nvidiavideo drops

@@fullmetaljew7257 I'm on nobara 40 using i7 7700HQ and GTX 1060 6GB, it's an old laptop but the performance in games in miles ahead of windows for me. Take helldivers for a spin, windows I was playing on low with fps drops, on nobara using Proton-GE (which you can install with one click thanks to apps included in the nobara 40 distro) I am playing nearly 60fps on medium, on preset above steam deck. I have not encountered a game which I can not play, except the xbox live games which are windows only. You can also use Lutris which is bundeled to play games which are not from steam, and it runs great also. Another example is Dota 2 which is a game I've spent nearly 7k hours in, since it came out. Lately I could not play on windows, lowest settings and I was getting below 30fps in fights. On nobara I'm getting 60+ constantly on the highest settings.

Big air cooler yes. AIOs no.

Yes, 6400 will deliver better results. Don't expect big ones, like 10% or more.

@@casuallygamin9 okk many thanks. Excelent review

It's Nobara custom themed version of KDE

Yeah, but which compositor have you selected at login: Wayland or X11? As I understand it, Wayland should have lower performance because you are using Proton (which is an X11 application and so you will be using XWayland). This means you will be running an X11 session within Wayland, which could increase input lag and reduce minimums compared to a native X11 session. Could be an interesting one for you to check.

@@butcherboi91 Hmm, I didn't have that option, but as far as I know, Federo 40 removed X11, and Nobara 40 is built on top of it, so I would assume Wayland

I just checked and it's Wayland

If I didn't use FSR in Wukonk, Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 I will get single digit FPS at 4k in Linux, literally a slide show

@@casuallygamin9 that's weird how rt performance is that bad on RADV driver on Linux, shouldn't be so behind of Windows performance. Maybe try with a different driver on Linux like AMDVLK or its proprietary one AMDGPU-PRO, just for comparison purposes.

It is in line with what I saw a few months back. RT performance is behind Windows when using the open source drivers.

@@casuallygamin9 yeah, but recent performance boost commits into RADV improved RT performance into almost as close as Windows performance, which is why I find weird such bad FPS you had.

Well Cyberpunk 2077, Alan Wake 2 and Black Myth Wukong are heavy RT games. Except Cyberpunk where RT was set to High, the other 2 are with Path Tracing. As you can see in Ratchet and Clank and Outlaws with RT set to low, Nobara performs close to Windows.

Noted. Thanks for the feedback. I will definitely lower the background music

I pit music because I don't have a sound proof room and it's covering the background noise :)

Well, there are constant improvements when it comes to drivers. On Windows I think that the latest patch also helps with the performance. Both OS have seen an uptick in performance due to the latest updates.

It's probably because he's testing a different pool of games

(pure) arch but also windows 11

Yes I will

When you place the AIO in the front you will have lower CPU and higher GPU temps then placing it on the top. Top placement means that the AIO will pull air from inside the case and in intense gaming scenarios the air inside the case will be warmer due to the GPU.

@@casuallygamin9 Always a compromise. The concept I wanted to emphasize is that when the GPU is air cooled, the most common situation by far, it is vital to feed it cool air. When the radiator is in front, the GPU gets air that's already been heated by the CPU. In a gaming system, again the most common situation for PC builders, the GPU is shouldering the load more often than the CPU.

Yes, you will always introduce hot air when installing the AIO in the fron. A way to mitigate this issue is to install fans at the bottom and have top exhaust fans, but that will help only a bit.

i also threw my lekker switches out of the wooting into the womier as well the factory switches dont have stabalizing pins which causes a good bit of the inconsistencies in them

Can you use whatever switch with the womier??

@@casuallygamin9 most hall effect switches should fit but im not sure exactly which, i just took the factory switches out and tried the lekkers and they worked so i sent it because i bought jades for the wooting which should also work tbh

Ok, thanks