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@leonardpeters3266
@leonardpeters3266 10 күн бұрын
This was extremely valuable. I am getting ready to tear into my 333A. Just very good information.
@fullwaverecked
@fullwaverecked 11 күн бұрын
Awesome channel FE! Heavy on detail and light on bloat. I dig it. I've been cobbleing together an electronics lab and your videos are very educational, entertaining, and insparational. Thank you kindly for taking the time to share with the EEC - (Electronics Enthuseiast's Comunity). Although we tend to be a quiet bunch, we are leigon. I belive I speak for many by wishing you a productive and fullfiling 2025. We are looking forward to more posts from you mate. Cheers! FW.
@richardmiranda5357
@richardmiranda5357 Ай бұрын
I love the way you do the troubleshooting. I recently bought a 3585B and would like to make a comment here trying to have help from somebody. My 3585B bips at start up, but inmediately you hear like 9 - or 10 short beeps and nothing happens. All from panel leds stay ON and of course, nothingb in the screen since the device doesn't initialize. I was looking carefully for some bips count codes in the manual and nothing. Also there is an schematic A49, marked as RAM board that I can't find it. Any help?
@zombunzedb960
@zombunzedb960 Ай бұрын
man that is fantastic i gotta fix my psu too been at it for days but without schematics it's like walking around in the dark
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron Ай бұрын
@@zombunzedb960 Yes unfortunately there is very little information on these specific power supply units. If you need to repair one, its going to require you to get back into the very basics of electronic troubleshooting. Follow the circuits, understand their layout and function, and then locate the fault. This is further complicated by the fact that the whole unit is AC mains powered and unisolated, as SMPS are. It’s imperative that anyone undertaking this type of repair knows the risks and knows how to do the work safely so as to avoid serious personal injury or death.
@jmacedo7
@jmacedo7 Ай бұрын
Mr. Free Electron wanted to congratulate you for your work (very professional) and still the time to share it that will help many; And I have a technical question (or anyone who knows about the subject go ahead): In this case it was discovered that a degraded capacitor almost shorted was the problem, But it helped to know why the flyback transistor was heating up, The question is being an element in series with the capacitor, Should the replacement also be considered, since from so much overheating it can be somewhat resentful due to so much current that passed through it, so that it is considered as a precaution (prevention) and thus avoid having to open the equipment in the future to repair that component now? Thanks
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron Ай бұрын
@@jmacedo7 That is a valid point. Certainly the transistor should be evaluated for repair. In my case I did not replace it because when I made the video I was still very new to working with SMD components. So, to avoid potentially damaging the fluke further I opted for a less invasive repair. I would say to anyone who’s doing repair work like this, that you should always evaluate your abilities and make decisions based on what you need to do and what you can do. There’s a lot of learning to be had anytime you undertake a repair, but realize that sometimes those lessons are expensive! Now, a few years later I have become much more practiced in SMD work. I would not hesitate to undertake such a repair. So yes, replacing the transistor would be a good preventative measure.
@Rory-jk9us
@Rory-jk9us 3 ай бұрын
I have a 2.88 mega byte four page pdf of the schematics for the power supply that I created years ago. I am happy to make it available but do not know how to go about posting it. If anyone knows how to go about it please reply.
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 3 ай бұрын
@@Rory-jk9us I will post it to this video if I can figure out a way to get a copy from you. I’m not sure if KZbin has a private message system. I’m not keen on posting my email address here and I’m sure you aren’t as well.
@Rory-jk9us
@Rory-jk9us 3 ай бұрын
@@FreeElectron Well I can post my snail mail address which I am not worried about being available. If you mail me your postal address I can mail you the schematics which consist of four11 by 17 sheets. The PDF I have was created at a fedx store from the paper copy. Rory Boyce 8554 Lafitte Ct. Fair Oaks, CA 95628. The mail address may end up blocked but I can try sending it.
@Rory-jk9us
@Rory-jk9us 2 ай бұрын
@@FreeElectron Well I tried posting my snail mail address here but that got removed. I do not care if my postal address is available on line but it seems that is against the rules.
@greanfinisher4014
@greanfinisher4014 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing that instructive video! Yes, my Fluke 97 Scopemeter backlight doesn't work either. When I get a chance to work on the oscilloscope, I'll certainly be looking for that 10uF electrolytic capacitor. Wow, for an expensive test instrument like that, it's only too bad that the manufacturer chose to use a cheaply manufactured and off brand capacitor like that. Well, it would hardly have been the first time that I ran across electrolytic capacitors like that, and they're typically with the low voltage ratings.
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. My only guess is that they were looking for ways to reduce cost in production. A failed backlight, while inconvenient, doesn’t render the instrument useless. That’s the trade off.
@briangoldberg4439
@briangoldberg4439 6 ай бұрын
Serious question here because I think I don't totally understand. Why do you need the notch filter if you can just see the harmonics on your scope and ignore the fundamental?
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 6 ай бұрын
Removing the fundamental allows me to look at the smaller level harmonics without overloading the front end of the spectrum analyzer. The “down ranging”. On the lower ranges (the more sensitive input levels) the high power of the fundamental will overload the front end of the analyzer. Best case it will cause distortion in the analyzer and a false reading. Worst case it can damage the front end. Also, when you’re taking a harmonic distortion reading you’re measuring the power levels of the harmonics, you don’t include the power of the fundamental. When I use the RMS meter to sum the harmonic levels, I don’t want to add the power of the fundamental. Great question and thanks for the comment.
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 6 ай бұрын
For signals with high harmonic content you could ignore the fundamental if you’re using a spectrum analyzer. If you’re looking at lower harmonic content, say below about 60 db, you really need to remove the fundamental as most spectrum analyzers will not have the dynamic range needed for very accurate readings. My 3585B tops out at around 70-80db before I have to null the fundamental. Big thing though is over driving the front end.
@briangoldberg4439
@briangoldberg4439 6 ай бұрын
@@FreeElectron Thanks for the reply! I understand, and I can now see how you are showing that in your video.
@YvonneRoberts-b6v
@YvonneRoberts-b6v 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting video. My HP 8595E doesn't work properly. I can see a problem with PSU. Your documentation would be very helpful for me. Could you help me, please? Mark
@krandall5285
@krandall5285 6 ай бұрын
I actually really enjoyed the time-lapse sequence, you might consider doing that more.
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 6 ай бұрын
@@krandall5285 Thanks for the comment. Yeah the time lapse was kind of different, I just happened on a long build session. Most of my projects stretch over months though with work and family. I’ll definitely try to keep it in mind for a future build.
@krandall5285
@krandall5285 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for cutting the connector instead of the board...you had me scared there for a minute.
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 6 ай бұрын
@@krandall5285 Cutting the board is a bad idea. Sometimes I think out loud going through the options. Thanks for the comment.
@douro20
@douro20 6 ай бұрын
Yes it's a 68000. The 3585A used the same processor as the 9825 computer- a hybrid 16-bit CPU made in NMOS which was based on the instruction set of the HP 2100 minicomputer.
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 6 ай бұрын
@@douro20 Thanks for the information. It’s great to be able to admire the build of this equipment. For me part of the enjoyment in using the older HP gear is knowing a bit of what’s actually happening under the hood and how it all goes together.
@douro20
@douro20 6 ай бұрын
The 3585A apparently has an HP "Nanoprocessor" on one of its cards. This was an odd little 8-bit processor designed for control applications, which was made using metal gate transistors back when just about every one else was using superior silicon gates, and had a die bias voltage which varied per chip (it was written by hand on the ceramic package after testing and packaging). It had no ALU but it didn't really need one, and it was very fast.
@krandall5285
@krandall5285 6 ай бұрын
Well that was a heart warming and entertaining series. I want to see your father's cabinet for it.
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 6 ай бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed the series. Thanks for the comment.
@JosephStowers-vf6uc
@JosephStowers-vf6uc 7 ай бұрын
Hi! I just found your video while looking for information on my grandpa's old oscilloscope, which is the same model as the one here. Do you happen to know the dimensions of the fuse installed on the rear panel? The operating manual I found online specifies its current rating but not its physical dimensions. Thanks!
@jacquesvanniekerk2896
@jacquesvanniekerk2896 8 ай бұрын
Operators manual assets.fluke.com/manuals/93_95_97umeng0000.pdf
@solodolo6018
@solodolo6018 8 ай бұрын
Awesome videos on this unit
@MohamadrezaHsheminejad
@MohamadrezaHsheminejad 9 ай бұрын
👌👌👌👌
@irishchewbacca7930
@irishchewbacca7930 9 ай бұрын
Could you possibly pull the fuse cap out and send me a photo? Or direct me in the direction of which one I should order? I believe mine is a Schurter, and I have ordered (2) different styles, but neither are the right ones. I really don't want to have to tear it all apart just to replace the fuse holder. If you could send me photo or video, or tell me what fuse cap I should order, I would be thrilled!
@df9999999999
@df9999999999 9 ай бұрын
I believe the reason the steel springs in the front panel button mechanisms break or dislodge and have excessive “snap” is because of accumulated dirt in the area where the spring and plastic contact one another. I used Deoxit F5 spray for faders and pots to restore consistent feel and lighten the snap action of the buttons, without disassembling the unit. Examining your video, I can see that spraying into the gap at the upper third of the right side of each key cap will direct the cleaner/lubricant into the spring assembly. A small shot of F5 was enough to clean and lightly lube the contact surfaces. Be sure to use F5, as D5 lacks the needed lubricant to restore the feel of the key action. Should prevent future damage to the keys.
@df9999999999
@df9999999999 9 ай бұрын
Great video! I recently picked up one of these with only the HPIB interface option equipped. I ordered a 10811-60111 oscillator from ebay to upgrade from the TCXO. Mine has the add-on LED in the bottom left corner of the front panel, as a few of yours do. I know there is an OVN annunciator on the right of the LED display. This extra LED illuminates whenever AC power is connected to the unit. Does this LED mirror the OVN annunciator, or does it just verify power is applied to the oven when in standby?
@davidv1289
@davidv1289 10 ай бұрын
Excellent work - very well built! Not sure about the HP 334A but the HP 333A has an output from the filter that can be connected to your spectrum analyzer to extend the dynamic range. You might keep an eye out for an HP 3562A Dymanic Signal Analyzer - if you really want to go further down that rabbit hole. Regards, David
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 10 ай бұрын
I’m a big fan of the ESP website. I’ve spent quite a bit of time reading the articles there. Thanks for the info on the the other topologies, I will have to look into them some more. This twin tee only goes to 20Khz but I’d really like to extend that range to 200khz. I think that is possible using a SVF, not sure about twin tee though.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 10 ай бұрын
Nice internal construction. I like the logical layout and separation……resulting in its good functionality.
@fullwaverecked
@fullwaverecked 10 ай бұрын
What would you estimate the availability of parts and the total your cost not counting time? Very nice video! Had to sub.
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 10 ай бұрын
I’d say the switches are probably the most expensive. Depends on what you can find or have lying around. I sourced them from eBay so it’s really variable on cost. Components are from Mouser or what I had on hand. I think maybe total cost for me was around 50-75 USD.
@fullwaverecked
@fullwaverecked 10 ай бұрын
@@FreeElectron Thanks! That's not bad.
@RapperBC
@RapperBC 11 ай бұрын
Well-done! And thanks a million. I've seen this photoresistor calibration described in forum posts, but never seen it done. Fiddly, but not nearly as bad as I'd feared, should I ever need to work through it. My 334A works fantastically with auto-nulling, but the main dial doesn't read out/ "see" the correct frequency, and slipping the dial won't correct for the discrepancy. Not a huge problem, as one can always use a frequency counter (and most of the time, the input frequency being used is known anyway).
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! The 334A is a very capable unit. Even though it lacks auto set level, once you get the knack of making a measurement it isn’t so bad. Not being able to read dB and % distortion at the same time is inconvenient sometimes for me.
@garyspencer1711
@garyspencer1711 11 ай бұрын
Excellent repair job !
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! Check out my latest series on the HP8595E calibration constants if you want to see me put this sweeper into action.
@InssiAjaton
@InssiAjaton 11 ай бұрын
In my recollection, another big difference between the 334A and the 333A was the auto-null. It is selected by the prominent switch to the right of the meter. You could start with Manual tuning and then turn to Auto for the final null finding. For years, I was drooling for this 334A. In our Ham & HiFi club, we had two Heathkit analyzers for our audio endeavors, one was harmonic distortion analyzer and the second one for intermodulation (2-frequency) analyzer. This HP 334A (and the 333A for that matter) was way more expensive than both the Heathkits, and still missing the intermodulation feature. So, keep drooling, guys!
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron 11 ай бұрын
Yes the auto tune is definitely a nice feature. Manual tuning on the 334A is very finicky. Since this video I’ve acquired an HP339A which has a much lower measurement floor and low distortion source. I’m also in the final stages of building my own measurement set via Robert Cordell’s very capable design in Audio Magazine. I’ll be doing a series on this build hopefully soon. Thanks for the comment.
@Zulonix
@Zulonix 11 ай бұрын
I built an AA-15 in ‘71 (when I was 18) and an AJ-15 tuner in ‘72. They were awesome. I made the mistake of lending them to my sister and after a short time they were stolen. But they were awesome while they had them.
@alikhosravi7579
@alikhosravi7579 Жыл бұрын
I got dizzy from camera movement
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry to hear that that. Sometimes it can’t be helped but I do try and use the tripod when I can. Thanks for the comment.
@hervefaro4450
@hervefaro4450 Жыл бұрын
Mr Free Electron is using his time, physical energy and personal finance to make some valuable videos. May I suggest that he opens a Paypal account so that subscribers could make financial contribution thus alleviating in some measure his financial expenditure. It could be a sort of Win-Win situation.
@hervefaro4450
@hervefaro4450 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your great series on HP spectrum analyzers. I have noticed that your HP8595E has options 101 and 105 I hope that one day you will make a video on the use of Time Gated Spectrum Analysis.
@guerrinodaipra3778
@guerrinodaipra3778 Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for your document , I wish you the best to you and your family happy Christmas ON1EV
@YvonneRoberts-b6v
@YvonneRoberts-b6v 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting video. My HP 8595E doesn't work properly. I can see a problem with PSU. Your documentation would be very helpful for me. Could you help me, please? Mark
@78trav
@78trav Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I was given a 97 today to replace mine that has an error after 30 seconds. The "new" one had no backlight. Replaced that cap and it has a beautiful backlight now. That transistor was getting hot like you showed.
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron Жыл бұрын
I have made my notes available from this video. Check the link under the "more" option.
@hervefaro4450
@hervefaro4450 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. No doubt it will be of great help to technicians who need to repair their analyzer. Thanks.
@guerrinodaipra3778
@guerrinodaipra3778 Жыл бұрын
Hi, your work is so valuable, I am in the same position I want to repair this PS, it is used in an HP 8591A CATV spectrum Analyzer, could it be possible to download the so valuable document you have done , here in Belgium there is still an Hamspirit and I want to help my Friend ON4LAU to repair its power supply. Best regards ON1EV
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron Жыл бұрын
Hello. Thanks for the comment. I do intend to make the documents available. I’m in the process of getting them made into a single pdf. Once that’s done I will have them available on the channel.
@guerrinodaipra3778
@guerrinodaipra3778 Жыл бұрын
Thank's a lot, it is very kind to make this document available. Like the hamradio I sent you all my 73's ON1EV@@FreeElectron
@remaca
@remaca Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the useful information! I have one exactly equal to the one you showed on my bench, and I’m just startiing to face the challenge. I woul like very much to have access to all this information you collected. In case you decide not to post it please let me know if there is any other way to have acess to it.
@arybarbosarodrigues5674
@arybarbosarodrigues5674 Жыл бұрын
I want to purchase a complete mantenance manual, how mutch is the cost ?
@arybarbosarodrigues5674
@arybarbosarodrigues5674 Жыл бұрын
can I print all the squematic circuits?
@randylemn
@randylemn Жыл бұрын
Good Job finding the bad cable. Your unit seems to be working within specifications. The actual specification sheet I have looked at Sets the calibrated output flatness of 2 db at frequencies above 10 MHz 9kHz is a test but does not seem to be defined as a specification.
@InssiAjaton
@InssiAjaton Жыл бұрын
The 600 ohms mentioned on the meter low side print is only there for defining what dB reference they are talking about. There are several more or less "standard" references in use. You can use something defined at 50 ohms, for example. It just uses the power at resistance rather than direct volts or millivolts, for example. The meter input resistance is 10 Meg, if I remember. The only effect the terminator (attenuator) would be to match the output (i.e. input to the 3400) to the signal source, in case it expects a 50 ohm load, and you want to use the generator meter as your reference.
@SparrowHawkPilot
@SparrowHawkPilot Жыл бұрын
Marvelous video. Is there an hp part number for the IF test board? Would you think it may be reproduced?
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron Жыл бұрын
The IF test board is very simplistic. All you really need to reproduce it is a PC board with the correct card edge and a couple of 100 ohm (iirc) resistors. Thanks for the comment.
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron Жыл бұрын
Most of the information is available from the 8590 series service manual. That’s where the cal attenuator, frequency correction constants and IF adjustments are from. I believe the service guide is on the web but you’ll have to find it.
@roncarlson8535
@roncarlson8535 Жыл бұрын
Is the procedure document shown in prior video available or posted? Great series, thanks!
@josebembibre7298
@josebembibre7298 Жыл бұрын
From W1°23'42.43" · N42°34'33.13" Great job. Just two people, is amazing!
@pcwrangler09
@pcwrangler09 Жыл бұрын
Time to calibrate your generator. Thanks for this valuable reference!
@FreeElectron
@FreeElectron Жыл бұрын
Yeah funny thing about doing instrument cals outside of a certified cal lab, it’s all relative. Thanks for the comment.
@jankowalski7211
@jankowalski7211 Жыл бұрын
👍
@tedrobinson372
@tedrobinson372 Жыл бұрын
The electrolytic capacitors did not dry out. The simply needed to have been reformed.
@krandall5285
@krandall5285 7 ай бұрын
good luck with that
@pa1wbu
@pa1wbu Жыл бұрын
As for the PSU: I recommend replacing the three yellowish RIFA XY caps that are hiding under the power input. These things have the nasty habit to deteriorate over time, get cracks in the plastic and when the time has come explode/catch fire and whatnot. In a pinch, the PSU runs without (don't ask me how I know, I need to order caps that physically fit, it is a tight fit there).
@gordonwedman3179
@gordonwedman3179 11 ай бұрын
Height must be 12mm. or less.