It’s a setup character and those are hard to play and if your main is something completely different like a tank then duck hunt is not for you. Try and find a character that fits your play style

Only use it to punish moves that have a lot of end lag or use it to protect yourself with its humongous hitbox or edge guard

Just will make your D throw to up air kill confirm more consistent. So if you get the grab at the ledge it'll be a pretty reliable setup.

Personally I just throw it up since that keeps gyro out of play for the longest. However there are gyro combos you can learn to do and being able to z drop recatch will basically keep it out of their control for a long time. But main thing is having gyro basically does force them to approach you which is the main thing to take advantage of.

Glad you're enjoying it!

This is a pretty big misunderstanding of what can is able to do. The only time it's really going to be covering space as a projectile in this MU is if you're very specifically focused on controlling space in the air and remove those options. Generally you're going to be focusing more on it covering the ground. Toss it out then play near it. If you run forward we can press it to cover the space immediately since the ping comes out frame 1. If you hit it with a shuriken, then it'll be anchored and stay in place which reduces the influence you can have on it. Outside of fair, you don't have any safe ways of playing around shield can unless you're going for a full charge shuriken. As greninja anchoring is something you need to know about since activating it will prevent can from moving with projectile harassment and makes it really easy for DH to get a permanent safe zone to play around and depending where it's placed will determine what part of the stage you're controlling. Anyone that's experienced in the MU also knows pretty easily how to anti air greninja due to the bad frame data unless facing backwards with bair. With can controlling the ground solidly, you can pretty reliably have greninja approach from the air which makes it much easier to open him up. In terms of substitute you're really only getting hit by that if you're just blindly not paying attention to greninja as it is just not a good way to get around a character that controls his projectiles independently outside of CP. Also if you're going for a lot of substitutes that can get baited out easily for a painful CP chain which can lead to kills as early as 60% since you can CP fsmash greninja. Something also to be warry of, I haven't tested it but there is a good chance doing shadow sneak might target gunman or can instead of DH if he's near those objects. So if you use that to zone break you could whiff and get hard punished due to the extra hitlag you'll encounter (not 100% sure if its targeting works like this but isn't uncommon across the cast). In terms of positives for greninja, you're super fast so if the DH does not know your burst range you can zone break him very easily the stage carry him offstage into an edge guard for a kill pretty easily. And if you can pressure him to not setup then you're dealing with an extremely average straight forward character in terms of neutral options which greninja can deal with pretty easily. Just becomes hell in neutral if the DH understands how to setup properly and how to abuse greninja's weaknesses.

@@Dawangthang damn you wrote a whole ass essay- hold on lemme read this lol

@@Dawangthang Ok you're totally right. HOWEVER I think that Substitute still shuts down aerial can at midrange! That's not the ideal way to play the matchup though, you're right; if you cover the ground with can, Greninja has a tough time doing anything but aerial approaches. The other thing is that DH's edgeguarding absolutely falls apart vs Greninja sometimes. *Can* isn't a viable way to harass Greninja offstage because Greninja can counter it and send themself way up high or diagonally forward and up.

@@Dawangthang ALSO, forward air is surprisingly good against shield can. I haven't labbed it out yet but Greninja's fair is huge and I think it might be able to outrange shield can's explosion. Greninja's fair at max range can literally destroy a bob-omb without dealing any damage to Greninja, plus it does amazing shield damage, meaning DH isn't free to shield camp in neutral all the time. That being said, you've totally changed the way I think about this matchup. For the longest time, I thought Greninja absolutely *washed* Duck Hunt, but now I'm reconsidering heavily

@@Cadesworth Another thing you’re forgetting is if you try doing counter off stage and we catch on, we can make the can purposely miss. So we just bait it out and you fall. Also generally you’ll just keep can covering the ledge or keep it for a ledge trap. You can do shadow sneak to hydro so you mostly just focus on covering when they have to hydro. Just in general remember DH can act independently of can and reflect and counter baits is a very normal thing to do. You really only want to save counters as a big mixup, not a common neutral or recovery tool. In terms of fair and Nair, you can max space to avoid the explosion. Like I mentioned though, if you’re aware of how to anti air greninja, you aren’t really worried about the aerials coming at you. You can also ping can outside of your shield area to change the spacing of where the explosion or point of contact will be so greninja will have to anticipate that area. Also the chance that you’re going to find a DH that’s good is extremely low so you should be able to steam role most that you come across lol.