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@wizardsuth
@wizardsuth 17 сағат бұрын
Two new features of the Trillium line not shown here are the bridge near Brookfield (replacing the Elwood diamond level crossing) and the pedestrian bridge over the Rideau River between Carleton University and Vincent Massey Park.
@loginreda
@loginreda Күн бұрын
Most of line 3 and line 4 are single track and honestly, that's shameful for G7 Capital.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada Күн бұрын
Sorry you meant Line 2 and 4. Line 3 is the same as Line 1 but will split and go to Bayshore and Moodie instead of Line 1 that goes to Algonquin.
@loginreda
@loginreda Күн бұрын
@@RailFansCanada in that case the lines heading south from Bayview 👍
@jfmezei
@jfmezei 2 күн бұрын
It is a real shame that a perfectly working line was demolished to build a single tracked diesel line that will need to be rebuilt soon. Such a waste of money. This should have been double tracked and electrified. Hopefully the 97 will continue to provide single transfer to downtown (at Hurdman) since this line 4 and 2 train service will require 2 transfers and likely take much longer in travel time. The train to airport will be of use to people along line 2, and for those who live west of Bayview along line 1.
@jfmezei
@jfmezei 2 күн бұрын
Are the Flirts built in USA out of existing production line with test components, or is it it like the Citadis Spirit, an Ottawa-specific model with Watson imposed specs that are impossible to achieve and different parts from other Citadis trams? I am told that Stadler is the one manufacturer willing to stand up to politicians to raise odds that they can delivery qualityt product on time.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada Күн бұрын
They were built and sent over from Switzerland. Quality assured and proven around the world as an existing stock model.
@kertchu
@kertchu 3 күн бұрын
Cool, wonder if they plan to electrify it in the future.
@fernbedek6302
@fernbedek6302 5 күн бұрын
I will be happy when it opens and I can take my bike out to the edge of the city and head off from there. Buses are awkward for bikes...
@williacena
@williacena 6 күн бұрын
Awesome video and awesome new system! What I see though is a lot of emptiness around it. Does the city also have a plan to densify around the stations?
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 6 күн бұрын
There are secondary plans around most stations to enable Transit Oriented Development (TOD). Similar developments can also be seen along the Confederation Line! What differs for Line 2 is that it goes through the Greenbelt, which precludes new construction in those areas for environmental and biodiversity reasons. As such, developments will likely occur within the Greenbelt (South Keys and north of). Some stations we expect to see significant TOD in the coming years are Corso Italia, Dow's Lake, Bayview and potentially South Keys. -David
@strangehobbyist
@strangehobbyist 6 күн бұрын
Really enjoying this channel, and I live in NY.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 6 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@thevultrantransituniverse1487
@thevultrantransituniverse1487 6 күн бұрын
Can't wait to check this place out!
@Recubs0608
@Recubs0608 7 күн бұрын
I am waiting for the west end train stations to start
@vdawg2224
@vdawg2224 7 күн бұрын
Platforms seem tiny given the amount of passengers expected at rush hour, including students. Also, there are plans for more residential buildings in the next few years. This will put additional strain on the tiny platforms. Poor foresight.
@mlmielke
@mlmielke 7 күн бұрын
At South Keys? They're only expecting an average of 30 boardings per train, per forecast.
@vdawg2224
@vdawg2224 7 күн бұрын
@@mlmielke At rush hour??? That should tell you everything. OC also had interesting forecast for its current ridership pre-, during, and post pandemic. When people started using the train the platforms were overloaded. It was compounded by train issues (i.e. less trains to serve the same ridership base).
@mlmielke
@mlmielke 7 күн бұрын
​@vdawg2224 It's based on AM peak, not PM. Also, you're trying to compare entirely different things. The train doesn't decide when 200+ buses an hour drop off passengers (the issue you're speaking of at Tunney's Pasture)... many grouped together, so you could have two full trains then a lesser full train. SK doesn't have 200+ buses an hour, or anywhere even close to that number. They aren't on the same level at all. South Keys should have up to just 25 buses an hour. However, many of those aren't peak direction.
@vdawg2224
@vdawg2224 6 күн бұрын
@@mlmielke I guess time will tell. I hope I'm wrong but if we're to go by history I don't think I'll be.
@mlmielke
@mlmielke 6 күн бұрын
Let me put it this way. There's a huge difference in a station moving just 260 people an hour at a station from a station moving even just 9,000 an hour. The latter being an issue, which it is, isn't a proof that a station size that's larger than Canada Line platforms which moves many more people than South Keys and Greenboro combined per hour is too small.
@SnapDash
@SnapDash 7 күн бұрын
Years from now, we'll look back with startled wonder that we didn't install platform gates (or better yet, platform screen doors and enclosed, climate-controlled platforms!). Still, it's lovely to see things progressing. I remember talk about this waay back when I was a student at Carleton during the pilot phase of the O-Train in the early 2000s.
@awesomeman116a
@awesomeman116a 7 күн бұрын
These seem a bit expensive for every station but especially for terminus stations or important stations, yeah I think we should have these
@cryptodawk
@cryptodawk 7 күн бұрын
It is nice to see such progress happening. I was their train controller but left a few month ago for another opportunity - I must say that the train drivers and controllers are a fantastic group of individuals and I am sure this line will shine when they eventually open to the public. Their one issue is that will likely cause issues during a service disruption is that they use single track in many areas of the system which cripples your options if there is a stalled train there. The trains themselves are impressive, FLIRT are incredibly roomy and offer a super quiet ride. They are diesel-electric with the centre of the train having the 4 diesel engines, and the system allows that you can "swap" out the diesel engines and go full electric via installing a catenary system (PLEASE OTTAWA - DON'T!!!). But yeah. I really enjoyed my time working with them. Nice videos on the latest updates. If any of the staff are reading this - I miss you all :-)
@mlmielke
@mlmielke 7 күн бұрын
They're looking at BEMU, which still requires partial catenary (catenary itself really isn't any worse an issue than rails or road asphalt are, and is proven in our climate); they had already ruled out building a hydrogen source for buses. The single track north of Leitrim and South Keys has been an issue since 2001 (~20 years of service), but trains still were above 99% on-time, and trains that weren't quickly recovered on their next trip.
@IntrepidRobot
@IntrepidRobot 7 күн бұрын
These station locations look horrible - far far away from where pedestrians could reasonably walk to, no businesses nearby, no restaurants, no shopping. Just wow. My fav is Montreal station with an entrance under a highway bridge /s
@owensiderius4534
@owensiderius4534 7 күн бұрын
I am a bit concerned that South Keys station will be freezing in the winter with cold winds whipping through the station. Are there any sheltered areas on the train platform?
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 7 күн бұрын
Yes there are.
@antonfernando8409
@antonfernando8409 7 күн бұрын
Canada day opening to public would be awesome 👌
@antonfernando8409
@antonfernando8409 7 күн бұрын
Nice
@spinladen1774
@spinladen1774 8 күн бұрын
For those airport riders, take the elevators at Bayview instead of escalators, will make things easier and faster if you have luggage.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 7 күн бұрын
And this way, you don't have to walk all the way to the "front" end of the platform if it is a short-train during the weekend going downtown! -David
@spinladen1774
@spinladen1774 6 күн бұрын
I think the ride from the airport will have some nice advantages - won't have to walk in the elements unlike the old 97. The first transfer wait is only six min tops on the same platform (barely any walking) and the downtown wait at Bayview isn't much. Boarding the trains is also easier than boarding the bus with luggage. Sure having luggage to transfer twice isn't fun but I can remember when suitcases didn't have wheels and we had to take maps and schedules out to read and estimate times instead of using our phones 😎
@mlmielke
@mlmielke 6 күн бұрын
@@spinladen1774 Also, look at guides when a tourist... if you're packing excess luggage, you're packing luggage wrong. If you package luggage right, these train changes themselves won't be an issue. If you're a group of 3+ people, that is separate from the guideline for reducing single-person car occupancy, and nobody is telling you to take transit in that circumstance.
@MadawaskaObservatory
@MadawaskaObservatory 8 күн бұрын
It's all very nice. But it's 2 years late. These trains should be auto pilot.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 7 күн бұрын
Given the cost of automatization, as well as the frequency of the trains (once every 12 minutes, though at South Keys with the interlining of Line 2 and 4, every 5-6 minutes), the need for automatization is not a limiting factor to the operations of the line. Rebuilding Line 2 required the implementation of a new controlling system, replacing the former Indusi system used since its opening in 2001. The new system is far more flexible and up to modern standards and ready to support potential expansions or double tracking of the line in the future. -David
@MadawaskaObservatory
@MadawaskaObservatory 7 күн бұрын
@@RailFansCanada Yeah OK, but its 2 YEARS LATE. Don't find excuses for others.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 7 күн бұрын
The original timeline did not include a global pandemic. While we all wish the line re-opened as initially scheduled, there is a wide variety of factors that have affect project deliveries of all types globally, not just in Ottawa. Labour shortage, delivery delays and shortages for components and assemblies of various sorts are common enough as-is. There is room to argue whether or not the original timeline was realistic even before the pandemic, but supply chains have made things much more difficult to manage and navigate. We much rather see a completed line, fully tested and working, than an early opening to meet a timeline. -David
@watchwood
@watchwood 8 күн бұрын
Cool. Any word on when we can use it?
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 8 күн бұрын
Soon! Nothing more official at this time, they are not extending a date until they are certain. Michael Morgan commented on the timeline in our previous video at Albion Yard, but we would expect later this summer. -David
@mcibus2000
@mcibus2000 8 күн бұрын
Unless it's just the camera angle, the platforms seem narrow?
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 8 күн бұрын
I would say it is on par with the downtown underground stations like Parliament and Lyon (with some narrower sections and some wider). I don't think it will be an issue for crowding as the circulation and access are well laid out.
@civilape
@civilape 8 күн бұрын
Will they be adding any artistic flair to these stations or they just gonna be concrete hellscapes?
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 8 күн бұрын
South Keys, Corso Italia and Limebank for example have a light fixture that will respond and illuminate with the passage of trains. There will be some art pieces but they have not yet been publicly announced. (Their installation does not affect the opening of the line, so they can be completed at anytime with minimal disruption).
@civilape
@civilape 7 күн бұрын
@@RailFansCanada Hey, having the service is the most important, and I know that when it comes to budgets ,art installations are the first to get cut. Hopefully that can be improved over time.
@spinladen1774
@spinladen1774 8 күн бұрын
Can still take the 97 (with no transfers) to downtown when the train stops running at night 👍
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 8 күн бұрын
Bus service will continue to serve the airport outside of Line 4 operating hours.
@mikenotpike
@mikenotpike 7 күн бұрын
N97 getting renumbered to N98 which is going to run the same route as current N97.
@mattbufton
@mattbufton 6 күн бұрын
I thought the 97 stopped going downtown sometime around 2017.
@mlmielke
@mlmielke 6 күн бұрын
@@mattbufton N97 stops at Rideau. The same routing will exist for Night service, it will just be added to the 98 schedule instead as N98. Although truly, it makes more practical sense if it were added to the 99 or 197 schedule, which would have less complications.
@fernbedek6302
@fernbedek6302 8 күн бұрын
I thought they were going to have three tracks and two platforms... I guess this makes sense with the low frequencies.
@mlmielke
@mlmielke 8 күн бұрын
Different station. That would be Lincoln Fields.
@fernbedek6302
@fernbedek6302 8 күн бұрын
@@mlmielke I had thought *both* were doing that, being line interchanges.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 8 күн бұрын
South Keys was always two tracks, one centre platform. The only one with multiple platforms and tracks is Lincoln Fields.
@watchwood
@watchwood 8 күн бұрын
@@RailFansCanada What are they doing at Lincoln Fields that needs multiple platforms?
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 8 күн бұрын
@@watchwood One platform will be for heading downtown (to Blair/Trim), the other two will be for Algonquin and Moodie as the lines heading West split at Lincoln Fields (this will apply at certain time periods).
@GodDamnPigeon
@GodDamnPigeon 8 күн бұрын
Is there an explanation of why they decided to go with an interchange at Southbank versus just using the same type of train on the north-south line and continuing from the airport to Bayview?
@mlmielke
@mlmielke 8 күн бұрын
Line 2 will still run a pair of LINTs. There's nothing operationally preventing trains continuing to Bayview, except that the single track limits how often trains can. The forecast demand is just 24.5 times higher from Bowesville to Carleton than from YOW to SK.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 8 күн бұрын
Given the “hard” limit of a 12 minute service pattern, doing so would have resulted in the south extension (South Keys through Limebank) to either operate every 24 minutes (once every other train), or to have them end at South Keys and require a transfer onto the other train to go further. Ultimately, travel models and council preference elected to have the Airport service act as a shuttle, with the N-S mainline taking priority. -David
@GodDamnPigeon
@GodDamnPigeon 8 күн бұрын
@@RailFansCanada Thanks for the response. Would be interesting to see statistics after of train usage from each area. I live downtown and given the current requirement to transfer at South Keys, and then transfer at Bayview, I will just opt to take a cab instead. I hope it gets used frequently though.
@Quince828
@Quince828 8 күн бұрын
@@RailFansCanadait seems overly confusing and inconvenient to make tourists to Ottawa change trains twice to get to downtown rather than having the airport trains run right through to Bayview. Those trains could increase service to all the intermediate stops as well.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 8 күн бұрын
@@Quince828 Those trains wouldn't increase service as they are limited by the single track and passing tracks. Keep in mind, if it was double track the entire length instead of mostly single track, we wouldn't be having this discussion, and service would be lower than every 12 minutes. That's really the bottleneck... single track. -Shane
@clarification007
@clarification007 8 күн бұрын
Superb train! What is missing in this new is a map showing what is the rail line showing from where to where.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 8 күн бұрын
Hello, for this video, we kept it very much to just the actual station. We also have another video (which you likely have already seen) that is a full overview of Stage 2 South where those details are referenced and shown on a map. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHybk6F9i86jsLM
@PoserBallin
@PoserBallin 8 күн бұрын
This is the content I needed.
@MrTynanDraper
@MrTynanDraper 9 күн бұрын
Nice inside scoop! Live close to this line and have been very very patiently waiting for it to reopen (over 2 years later than origonal schedule). Really hope we at least see an August open. Im fairly confident this opening is going to go much much better than the line 1 opening and 1st year went.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 9 күн бұрын
We sure hope so! We are quite fond of the Trillium Line and cannot wait to board those trains once more. The Stadler FLIRT will be an amazing addition and the considerably larger stations will make for a nicer experience throughout! Hopefully we finally get to ride the line before the end of the summer. -David
@Okanagan48
@Okanagan48 9 күн бұрын
Too bad they will never be able to keep it working. The worst designed system in Canada
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 9 күн бұрын
The line originally opened in 2001 and ran till it closed a few years ago without any major issues. As the setup and technology and half of the trains are the ones that were used when it closed , in addition to the various differences to Line 1, the high level of reliability is expected to continue as before.
@mlmielke
@mlmielke 6 күн бұрын
Somehow they did for 20 years...
@Sebmanningham
@Sebmanningham 10 күн бұрын
Ces trains ont vraiment du style!
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 10 күн бұрын
En effet! Nous avons bien hâte de pouvoir faire un tour lors de l’entrée en service!
@hollywoodundead1010
@hollywoodundead1010 10 күн бұрын
to bad oc transpo is the worst public transit in Canada source: I use almost everyday
@hollywoodundead1010
@hollywoodundead1010 10 күн бұрын
they seem better than the first run of trains tho so that's nicd
@honouraryapple
@honouraryapple 9 күн бұрын
Try Halifax transit lol
@StefanBretonFoto
@StefanBretonFoto 9 күн бұрын
Do you use all the other transit systems in Canada 'almost everyday' as well?
@hollywoodundead1010
@hollywoodundead1010 9 күн бұрын
@StefanBretonFoto why would I lie about how shitty a public transit system is?
@vette1
@vette1 10 күн бұрын
i wonder if they will electricify the line
@Mathieu-OBrien
@Mathieu-OBrien 10 күн бұрын
Let's hope!
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 10 күн бұрын
Plans are in place should an opportunity arise, however, as discussed around 7:30, it's not exactly clear what format it would take. The Stadler FLIRT could be converted to electric operation as they already have an electric drive-train (which is currently powered by diesel), but they could (hypothetically) run on batteries, hydrogen or OCS system should funding and the need arise with slight modifications. It also brings the question of whether or not electrification will be "next step" for Line 2 and 4, or whether double tracking along the entire line (or most of it) to increase frequency might be the better investment. Only time will tell! -David
@vette1
@vette1 10 күн бұрын
@@RailFansCanada hopefully they go with overhead wire
@owensiderius4534
@owensiderius4534 9 күн бұрын
Please god don't let them use hydrogen or battery electric
@bencns
@bencns 10 күн бұрын
7:11 “OC Blue for seats” looks to me like Deutsche Bahn blue ;)
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 10 күн бұрын
I really tried not to laugh when Michael said that, but yes, nothing more Deutsche Bahn than this seat pattern! At least they are consistent with the Coradia Lint! -David
@he11ange1
@he11ange1 11 күн бұрын
Sir John A. Macdonald Tunnel
@rutheliz75
@rutheliz75 13 күн бұрын
Impressive project . Thank you for the update .
@TheLiamster
@TheLiamster 15 күн бұрын
Hopefully there will be some transit oriented development surrounding the stations
@lizzy5121
@lizzy5121 15 күн бұрын
Hopefully buildings taller than 30 stories for once.
@nanaokachi7657
@nanaokachi7657 14 күн бұрын
Thanks for the update - will be interested to see how realignment of the 174 progresses - some lanes seem really close to the rails - assume they need a lane sized buffer
@jamied4766
@jamied4766 13 күн бұрын
Not adding a station at Tenth Line Rd. is a big miss in my opinion
@B4s3MXxD
@B4s3MXxD 15 күн бұрын
Is it supposed to operate that slowly?
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 15 күн бұрын
It is doing various test scenarios and simulations, therefore not always running at what would be normal speed when it will be open to the public.
@jessebetruckin1870
@jessebetruckin1870 16 күн бұрын
I have been working on this project. I've delivered and poured concrete to every single station and tunnel segment. I have personally delivered about 25,000 m³. Watching this project from start to finish is spectacular. I have a lot of photos of before and after. If the host of this channel would like some exclusive photos from interiors of tunnels, stations and construction sites, just respond to this message. I would love to share all of these photos instead of just keeping them on my phone to show friends from time to time. I also have some video clips.
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 15 күн бұрын
Hi Jesse. Thanks for reaching out and wanting to share your pics. You can reach out to us at [email protected]. Thanks again. -Shane
@philc824
@philc824 16 күн бұрын
What fuel do these trains use to propel themselves?
@husseinomran1021
@husseinomran1021 16 күн бұрын
Diesel
@RailFansCanada
@RailFansCanada 8 күн бұрын
The Stadler FLIRT has a Diesel powerpack in the middle, which generates electricity for the electric traction motors. The older Alstom Coradia LINT has Diesel engines that directly drive the wheels.
@keahnig164
@keahnig164 17 күн бұрын
Stadler💪🏻