JUST TO CLARIFY CAUSE THIS MIGHT GET A LITTLE LONG, this is NOT flame, and I’m just wanting to see what you think because I want to learn :) Around 17:20 you said Ksante takes skill now, but I feel like his skill ceiling got lowered from the newest changes, and imo felt a lot clunkier. Small changes like “no more auto reset on E” and “R no longer speeds up Q”, though they likely aren’t too impactful in terms of power, felt terrible to me, and turned me off from playing the champ a bit. To be fair, I only played one game on the first day the rework dropped (before hotfix), and my power is still out from the hurricane. I didn’t feel “weak” but it felt a lot less skilled and unfun to me. So I was gonna ask how you think this Ksante is more skilled than the previous one, and if you find it more fun and why? Cause I love this champ, and want to stick to him, but I found the new changes pretty ehh. This did get long, sorry to “🤓” lol
@janyewestlol36 минут бұрын
Here’s my take and I’m gonna make a video explaining my thought process for everything. But essentially a champion with a high skill cap is usually defined by specific mechanics that the player needs to utilize properly to outplay his opponents. Examples can be : Yasuo timing windwall. Fiora timing parry, Irelia resetting Q’s etc.. K’Sante never really had any hard mechanics. Other than W canceling which was just broken. Yea it took skill but the ability wasn’t intended to work that way hence why I think it was broken. His Q hit box was massive, it hit a small radius around him, slowed the enemy and would knock up and stun them too. Basically as soon as you got on someone they were cooked if they couldn’t kill you because they can’t escape you. His W was easy to hit because you’re Q was OP and ur dash was too quick. On top of that you could aim it so there was no punishment to the ability. If fiora whiffs her W generally she loses fights. If Ksante missed it he probably just blocked X amount of damage and could “mini dash” backwards to safety. After that his Ultimate just made him OP strong since he had scaling true damage on hit after marking targets. Essentially he would just sit on you and then flip the switch to kill you effortlessly. To nerf him they made his early game weaker in trade off a stronger late game. Q was less dmg , mana cost was higher and W mana cost was WAY top high. Essentially you couldn’t play the game. To find a happy in between and make him more skillful you make his Q harder to hit BUT it deals more dmg. Same applies for his W, make it harder to hit but allow you to use it more than once per form per fight and in AO deals true damage cs n. Now his E in AO let him play like an assassin, hoping walls and 1 shotting Carries, which wasn’t his intended play style.
@bbombastiq6 минут бұрын
@@janyewestlol I appreciate the response man! Yeah I’d totally watch a video of your thoughts, as I do like the idea of having stronger Q’s in compensation for harder to hit Q’s. It was more so the small things like no E auto reset that kinda bummed me out. Once I get power I’ll try to get some more games in and get a better idea of how he feels lol. Gg’s man, you played hella well 💪
@hidan73472 сағат бұрын
Smolder no honor😒
@abdullahozperk62814 сағат бұрын
smolder is the only ranged champ that i dont scare play against them in toplane
@janyewestlol3 сағат бұрын
Me neither I just find it cringe hahaha 😂
@justinpace10794 сағат бұрын
When do you take Grasp vs Conq? Thanks for the videos!!
@janyewestlol3 сағат бұрын
I don’t think Conq is viable anymore since he has no mare AD ratios in his kit. I guess you still could, but I don’t think it’s worth it in the long run. The other viable options are Aftershock or Spellbook. 😊
@janyewestlol3 сағат бұрын
Generally you would go grasp into melee matchups and then the latter for ranged ones ☝️
@anthonyjamous45934 сағат бұрын
Man that was an insane game wtf
@idoesthis48057 сағат бұрын
Cringe K'Sante. obviously hes good like wtf
@janyewestlol3 сағат бұрын
:3
@erickruiz2957 сағат бұрын
The only good thing in this rework Is that we have more damage in lane phase (not overall due I think the passive damage was a lot better pre rework due all the AA Resets so in mid/late game on those 1vs1 or 1vs2 we use to have a lot of time to proc a lot of sheen and passives) but on lane phase and teamfight... If you have skills you have a lot of damage... but the movement expression on W... still feels bad, if riot returns partial movement on RW (something like we can adjust just a little the direction) would be awasome
@janyewestlol3 сағат бұрын
Yeah I feel you, but I’d rather have a stronger laning phase, or a laning phase period since now you can contest champs like yorick and illaoi and have a chance at playing the game even in the worse matchups. In terms of the W I think maybe allow you to aim it in base form is acceptable.
@dumpsterjedi61488 сағат бұрын
Nothing will feel as good as Ksante on PBE, first game on him I Ult enemy Kayn through the wall, kill him, and go back top to kill Sett with empowered form. Those were the days 😊
@Chris.Fate.12 сағат бұрын
K'Sante playing with K'Sante, goddamn brother. Well played!
@janyewestlol8 сағат бұрын
✌🏾😎
@sunoo63918 сағат бұрын
bro is ksante irl
@janyewestlol18 сағат бұрын
:3
@ptbro333420 сағат бұрын
I understand the reasons you like the rework. I personally hate it because I play him purely for fun. He was the only tank besides volibear(not really a tank) with a kit made to fight bac. My favourite combo was on realease e w(tap) r Q3 w(charged) and then finish them off with a q aa if they live long enough. Made a masters vayne rage quit with it😂
@crazysans331121 сағат бұрын
have you tried the baussen build for ksante? go 3 chain vests and it maxes out your q cd cap
@janyewestlol13 сағат бұрын
Nah but I’ll give it a shot hahahah sounds fun :P
@Volkath16Күн бұрын
k sante play k sante
@janyewestlolКүн бұрын
oooga booga
@Varkiss2Күн бұрын
Bro you are so bad 😂😂😂😂 Aatrox die 6 times and 10cs less....
@janyewestlolКүн бұрын
@biggerbean194621 сағат бұрын
hating and for what?
@janyewestlol21 сағат бұрын
@@biggerbean1946 <3
@hidan7347Күн бұрын
Ooh this is some good stuff
@janyewestlolКүн бұрын
thanks man!
@allchemik3261Күн бұрын
Least broken tank
@janyewestlolКүн бұрын
By far
@jakiii368Күн бұрын
still losses too much resists in ult his e range is too short but his w deals too much damage and the passive damage should scale 20 flat is just too much early a good break point would be 10-30 based on level and he could gain the attackrange back on passive + q hitbox part revert maybe a breakpoint as well the with before was 150 now its 100 125 would be nice
@janyewestlolКүн бұрын
We'll see what Riot does! Hopefully it doesn't make a mess out of everything tho! I agree they could fine tunes some aspects some more.
@sugar3452Күн бұрын
Hi bro , did you try sudden impact + ultimate hunter? he is fking broken with this rune , or manaflow + scorch??
@janyewestlolКүн бұрын
Nah I use triumph and last stand for teamfight survivability!
@thelastnameisdude78985 сағат бұрын
is sudden impact sante still a thing i thought they removed that mechanic
@janyewestlol5 сағат бұрын
@@thelastnameisdude7898 I’m not sure I never like it personally I prefer Triumph now and Last Stand since the mana on cookies got removed
@sugar34525 сағат бұрын
@@thelastnameisdude7898 Yes its still a thing because his e got a reduce cooldown
@yllibeadini6689Күн бұрын
Bros ping went to 30 and it spiked? okay
@janyewestlolКүн бұрын
@uchuy1575Күн бұрын
Now he is moving with a wheelingchair not crawling anymore 😎👍
@TalkToMe33Күн бұрын
hes easier to lane now, I dont have to sit under tower for 12 mins
@janyewestlolКүн бұрын
FACTS!! Game is fkn playabale again.
@Итакоебывает-х3жКүн бұрын
Привет, я готов изменить свое мнение насчёт К'санте. Я говорил, что отложу его в ящик но я слишком люблю этого чемпиона. Немного поиграв на нем, я привык к его R и W. Но я не привык к его Е во второй форме. Мне очень сильно хочется прыгать через стенки. Не все тиммейты подходят к К' санте для его E, чтобы ты мог их спасти или спастись сам. У меня появилось чувство, что К' санте стал хорошо себя чувствовать 1 на 1, мне это нравится. Из за этого мне кажется появился смысл качать вторым умением W. Вот ещё интереснвй момент, который есть на RU сервере (RU сервер=помойка. Никогда не играйте на нем) . На RU стало очень много дальников на топе. Смолдер, Кейтлин, варус, кайса. Они и раньше были, но сейчас их прям очень много. Видео хорошое со многим насчёт К'санте согласен. Хоть твой канал не сильно популярен, меня ты зацепил.
@janyewestlolКүн бұрын
Thanks man! Yeah man overall Riot wants K'Sante to be less of a straight out backline diver. His W makes more sense now being able to use it multiple times per teamfight and also doesn't take half ur mana pool. Downside is that you cant aim it. But with time u learn to use it euither as an extension to land ur q or to instantly chain it with ur e. Unfortunately his E is kinda weird but overall I think the fact that you have a laning again is worth the trade offs because I think waiting to scale every game is bad for soloqueue.
@vishky4907Күн бұрын
Nah ksante is so bad right now
@rarigateКүн бұрын
clunk sante
@janyewestlolКүн бұрын
xDD
@gdaymaster84992 күн бұрын
That flash looks rather confusing. I get you don't want to ult into his tower, but you were still in tank form to absorb the tower shots, (and a few of them based on those Jhin shots) flashed at an angle that gave him a good position to get out, being his team's wall rather than the jungle hallway you later walked through near the end. From that point too, if you had your flash still you coulda chased. (despite that alone being a rough choice) I get heat of the moment, just parts I noticed is all. No hate or anything
@janyewestlol2 күн бұрын
It's not that deep i just forgot that I can't dash over walls lmao XDD watch the full game and youll understand :P
@gdaymaster84992 күн бұрын
@@janyewestlol never said anything about being cringe or whatever you thought was deep. Even if his wall jump E was still in I probably still drop the same comment
@janyewestlol2 күн бұрын
@@gdaymaster8499 i said it’s not that deep because you wrote a whole essay xD. I wouldn’t have dropped the clip if I could dash over the wall though. The clip is just highlighting the fact that I forgot I can’t hop walls anymore. I know that wasn’t a clean play, wasn’t supposed to be it’s just to showcase the reality of dealing with a rework :)
@gdaymaster8499Күн бұрын
@@janyewestlol If you think my first set was an essay, oh boy. I know I got a typing problem. I write stories, so sometimes it's hard. Also yes I get it's the point of the clip of dealing with the rework, I was just pointing out the confusion for the other parts. I'm the kind of guy who'd not focus on the face of the Mona Lisa to look at the background. Just how I am.
@erock14472 күн бұрын
I've been playing him support. Hes not bad
@janyewestlol2 күн бұрын
I can see that working since he doesnt scale as hard as before! Might try it out :P
@antoineboucher53912 күн бұрын
U mean YOU were lucky u were able to do so in the past?
@janyewestlol2 күн бұрын
Whichever way you want to look at it LOL
@Acrodude9962 күн бұрын
Nooo I can’t kill him while playing terribly and missing everything!!! This champ sucks!!! 😭😭😭
@janyewestlol2 күн бұрын
The whole idea is that I forgot that I can't hop over walls anymore thus my initial play of me aiming my R in that direction being bad. I'm not complaining it's more so that the realization of the rework is starting to kick in. :D
@wojciechneumiller83692 күн бұрын
This champion suck :) look at wr master+
@janyewestlol2 күн бұрын
I don't think there's enough games to make a proper analysis around that ELO, but give it a couple more weeks and we'll see. :)
@markg22943 күн бұрын
I love how they were so worried about his passive dealing true dmg and being OP when Garen can just press r and execute anyone from half HP with true dmg. I like the way he was before the last 2 reworks. This champ needs to be broken. Otherwise other champs outscale him
@janyewestlol3 күн бұрын
The idea is to make him more skill oriented than a stat checker. Hence why his abilities hit harder but are harder to land consistently. Overall I kinda like it but need to test it out more.
@DarkxMyth3 күн бұрын
if you use that W correctly it's almost like sett W. That's Broken!
@janyewestlol3 күн бұрын
Shit fkn smacks hahaha
@og_1997h4 күн бұрын
Huh everyone would Flash for early kayle kill? 😂
@janyewestlol3 күн бұрын
Did'nt have any CD's up and I'm still getting used to the rework!
@nix2945 күн бұрын
Damn, Riot just broke his ACL. He can barely move now.
@davidhines75925 күн бұрын
yet rappers all say they love mike's flow in their songs. but then you are another 'lets resurrect Chester somehow' guy, ignoring that it was always mike's band and its up to him what to call it not a dead man or the fans of a dead man.
@janyewestlol5 күн бұрын
just my opinion bud
@davidhines75925 күн бұрын
i want the game they play in this trailer lol. i would buy into that instead of top down.
@ejkej5 күн бұрын
Ksante playing ksante hahaha 😂😂😂 No racist btw
@janyewestlol5 күн бұрын
LOL go back and look at my old video when I had dreads literally it looked like they put me in the game hahaha 😂
@Итакоебывает-х3ж5 күн бұрын
Понимаю, что я русский и прочее. Моё мнение нахер никому не нужно. Мне нравился старый ксанте. Он был прикольный, фановый, но при этом тебе надо было правильно нажимать кнопки. Да, райот дали ему много скорости атаки и пробивание брони на R. Только зачем ему это если у него нет физического урона? Сейчас мне проще отложить ксанте в ящик и надеяться на лучше. Чувак в видео, ты крутой.
@janyewestlol5 күн бұрын
Yeah dude I’m not playing Ksante until they fix some shit. That champion is dookie right now and isn’t worth playing. Big ups to Russia!
@KT_Aatreus5 күн бұрын
Is broken only used from otp players Otherwise we will jave better win rate And not 42%
@_NguyenQuangHuy5 күн бұрын
The one thing i wish is give him back his W direction in normal stage.
@janyewestlol5 күн бұрын
Facts! I was gonna make a video about this and I’m happy to see someone else who feels the same way. I’d rather miss the shit out of it in a trade off for damage in All Out but at least let me aim that shit in base.
@vindknt5 күн бұрын
So he slaps harder, but is effectively on a wheelchair. Feels clunkier, but overall better. It's just the e that is actually wack imo.
@janyewestlol5 күн бұрын
The E is whack as fk, I think they need to give him a bit more range on it in all out maybe , let him go over walls but remove the shield and no more dashing to allies
@erickruiz2956 күн бұрын
phreak commented that the changes were to make k'sante more fair to deal with... that only skilled players can make a difference with him. the main difference between a k'sante God and a casual player was the ability to proc multiple times sheen and passive on his trades and they just took away a lot of speed on that trades removing the AA resets on Q and E... I just think that phreak needs to return to be just a commenter and get out of the balance team
@janyewestlol6 күн бұрын
Yeah I tried to make him work in ranked and even when I'm ahead I feel like I have no time to do anything in All out form because it lasts only 15 seconds, people just flash away, or peel me off and then i slowly die with my broken ankles trying to even land an auto attack on anything.. It's pathetic really..
@bleh84075 күн бұрын
yeah lowering the skill ceiling makes skilled player better nice logic xd ? dont trust that guy any words his shitty rework made ksante pro stable pick because he doesnt understand anything about this champion
@rarigate6 күн бұрын
trash sante
@janyewestlol6 күн бұрын
Facts he got the Kevin Durant injury
@redevilnme6 күн бұрын
🤯🤯🤯 Mr K'Sante
@SkyHigh766 күн бұрын
Now, instead of the champ feeling fun to play and unfun to play against, he feels like he's stuck in animations longer than unskippable youtube ads, and now you can lock in any top laner with a dash (fiora) and fall asleep as he tries to touch you with W.
@janyewestlol6 күн бұрын
Facts I played against a Kled the other day and got fucking rolled so hard LOL
@mrbrains8456 күн бұрын
Feels like the rework didn't fix the issue of him being a super safe and reliable pick at very high elo and in pro play but not popular at lower levels
@janyewestlol5 күн бұрын
Yeah the rework just made him useless in terms of killing Carries and setting up plays
@sindrompandy7 күн бұрын
fk this rework. It's terrible really st
@Secondgearbilly7 күн бұрын
Can’t stand this rework I feel there was way more outplay potential with his old kit His old kit actually made him unique compared to other fighter bruiser type characters Crazy dashes, Q had a super fast cast time, can weave in sheen proc autos He’s so clunky now I hate it lol
@janyewestlol7 күн бұрын
Yeah I don’t know what they were thinking.. they basically took out the rest of the skill expression from his kit..
@Izumi.Gumapac7 күн бұрын
The banner on the 6:38 mark was indicating T1's run last year, they fought LNG, JDG and WBG slaying all LPL teams and hoisting the trophy 🙂
@janyewestlol7 күн бұрын
Yeee I watched Caedrel's video after uploading mine and saw that! Very cool that they put those small details in there :)
@JOAOPAULO-ld8qt7 күн бұрын
some new ksante tricks: do not close any item, make 3 chains and one negatron to stack a lot of armor and some mr (the items use so much gold and it doesnt convert into nothing early). Do not use shield bash, riot removed it's armor, so that's useless in ksante. This champ just work with armor now, ad and hp does nothing and you shouldn't care less with those.
@janyewestlol7 күн бұрын
I’ll take those tips into consideration even though I’m prettt sure Riot is gonna tweak him again pretty soon. From what it Lola like is that they want him to pick when to ult EVEN MORE carefully now and the main use is to pick a (preferably) immobile champion such as soon bruisers or tanks and zone them out of a fight while playing front to back with your team instead of being a full on back line diver.