sure, about as a rider you will agree that uphill traffic has the right of way. and those descending multi-use trails need to depend with consideration. I encounter the same things but I don't call names or make blanket statements about how ill-informed a community of trail users is. They have every right to be there as I do. Heck, last week I encountered four motos on a hiking trail while on a run. There are literally signs at every entrance stating that these are unauthorized vehicles. Should I make a blanket statement that all Moto riders are dumb and have no place on the trail? No! it is just not the case. Same trail system I have Motos come from behind at high speed without saying hello. Back to the point. Tommy T needs to have a better perspective before he makes blanket judgments about other trail users.

@@finder2267 Patience goes a long way. I think in this case the adrenaline was speaking for him since he almost went off trail. He certainly had an opinion about them which was not unfounded. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. Personally, I would of just honked and stopped without pulling over and let them go around me. P.S. After watching again, I believe he was talking about that particular group of riders and not generalizing.

@@furleyforever I Completely agree. As cyclists (mtb'rs) we are more acquainted with trail use issues. Personally, I would much rather be positive than negative. When I talked about perspective It is something you can only see from experience and practice. Perhaps there was debris on the trail and the rider to the right made a poor line choice (visa-versa.) It is the same considerations we give when a slow vehicle is in front of us. The knee-jerk reaction is to criticize. The perspective difference from motorcycling, truck, car, and bicycling to walking or running is dramatic. The reality is it doesn't matter. just wait your turn and go around, "patience" as you said goes a long way. while hate ruins your day.

@@finder2267 Absolutely, don't let a 10 second situation ruin your whole day. That goes for everything! 👍

That is a dumb argument you have. You are making this a we vs them. This applies to drivers, riders, stay right. Even more important on a blind curve. There was 1 motorcycle that was 1 motorcycle wide on the right (correct) side of the road. In the USA & many parts of the world we drive, ride on the right. Do that, & it decreases risk of a collision. It’s the right thing to do, the considerate & courteous thing to do.

You’re wrong. Bicycles have to keepthe lane’s. This is dangerous the moto rider gets the worce part . I ride both bike n moto

@@chipm2544 www.fs.usda.gov/visit/know-before-you-go/off-highway-vehicle-touring

I disagree. The moto was doing everything right. The pedalers were acting foolishly. On top of that, they didn't even acknowledge the moto with a thank you, hello, or even the briefest eye contact. The pedalers completely mishandled every aspect of that encounter.

@@jimwing.2178 Thanks for making my point. If they didn't not acknowledge, this is an indication of speed. You are going uphill at maybe 5mph, meanwhile, the Moto is moving at 15-20mph. do the math. This is really simple stuff. Perhaps, go throw a leg of a bike and do the same ride. You will see things from a different perspective.

That is a ridiculous opinion. You had to see the collision that was about to happen. And you have to know why the collision was about to happen. 2 people cannot occupy the same spot at the same time. Stay right, it’s USA.

Is not Karen . Ending up in Moto crash off roadwith a fracture bones . Bicycle have to obey the lane’s regulations .

Uh oh..Officer Maintain proper lane disipline is on the job. He was so shaken (?) by narrowly averting a fatal crash, that he had to stop & record his rant for posterity. Judging by the speed(?) he's riding..he's just jealous that the mtbs are faster. Nice attitude dude, sounds like you've totally missed the point of riding bikes. Here's a thought...Everyone doesn't observe your rules. Here's my rule...no blood..no biggie...move along.

@@Tumid1 Your rule is wrong. Rules are codification of common sense and common courtesy. You seem to be an inconsiderate dolt.

Total beginners typically don't go the spandex route, but these days with MTBs priced about the same as a two-stroke, I'm sure some rich carpet scratchers thought they needed to look like a dork in order to go biking properly. My guess is they are XC riders and this isn't even an MTB trail system. Just cruising fire roads on public land quite possibly. If they are too long into the ride they could be on autopilot by this point. Not excusing it, but that's my guess on how semi-experienced riders could ignore loud pipes coming up the hill. Before replies to me for making fun of the spandex sissy's, I'm a long distance road biker, and you don't need to dress like an aerobics teacher to comfortably ride 80 miles in a day. I only make exceptions for high profile races or qualifiers. Have a little dignity and throw some athletic shorts over the tights. I proudly say this at every group ride when the topic comes up... and for some reason I have no friends.

They don't look like total beginners to me. Notice how all but one have clothing with the same insignia. They are club members out on a group ride. And typical of their ilk, they only consider themselves while ignoring others.

Licenses vehicles only

License plate only, no green or red sticker

Yeah I would love to get one. I was thinking of the electric trials bike

probably do Maple Springs again this weekend 12thor13th unless they keep the gate closed

Yes they are strict up there

Nope, must have plate. I do see often people riding up there without...

Ya and looks like shit

Licensed vehicles only and if you're going to park and unload bike then yes you need an adventure pass

The 450 was geared and mapped, seem to have more rpm range than the 500 so ya the 450 was my pic

Don't mean to rub it in but I love California 🙋... don't forget about dodging cam-am's and quads

It was plated when I bought it, plus it's a crf450xac California compliant not the 450xa

No room and lots of blind corners, be careful. I have been off the road to avoid on coming traffic and bikes on my side. The most u need to watch for and hard to see is hikers, they move slow and even tho u can see the road ahead, as u r moving they will be behind a bush, I hope that makes sense. Ride safe, there is always a time and place to twist the throttle.

Ummm north towers I guess, just south of 91

It looked way worse than it was, lol.