You hold it a bit too long for my taste you are over the friction zone already and keep it very long over the friction zone still. Which is not necessary and wears down your clutch faster. Doesn’t do anything good at this moment anymore actually.
@Stu812 жыл бұрын
Never trust a man that uses four fingers on his levers. Disgusting habit 😋
@Trojan0202 жыл бұрын
Even Rossi used 4 fingers. So to each their own. You do you.
@Stu812 жыл бұрын
@@Trojan020 chill out dude, I thought the smiley face would make it obvious it's a joke (you know the classic biker brag about always having two fingers on) , and what has Rossi got to do with anything? Is he your God or something 🤣......you do you yeah 🤦
@Trojan0202 жыл бұрын
@@Stu81 sorry Stuart. I couldn’t tell your intent, even with the emoji. I don’t have any probs with how people hold their levers that’s all I was driving at. If people like 2, 3, 4 fingers, it’s all good
@InterventionBeast4202 жыл бұрын
Are you consciously trying not to pull the clutch in all the way or does that just happen as you get better with the clutch? How do you know if you have pulled the clutch in enough to fully disengage it? Do you preload the shifter?
@Trojan0202 жыл бұрын
Hi there! On downshifts I do not preload the shifter. In order to downshift to the next gear it becomes a timing with your left hand. Speaking of the clutch, I'm only pulling it in far enough to take load off the transmission. We are taught in basic driving or motorcycling to pull the clutch all the way in. That is necessary when coming to a stop, let's say. But when shifting while at speed you do not need to pull the clutch in all the way, just enough to take some load off. And not having to continue to pull the clutch in allows us to be faster at making multiple down shifts.
@InterventionBeast4202 жыл бұрын
@@Trojan020 Cool, thank you!
@InterventionBeast4202 жыл бұрын
@@Trojan020 Also I'm curious, what levers were you using in this?
@Trojan0202 жыл бұрын
@@InterventionBeast420 it’s hard for me to remember, but I think they were CRG. Nice levers. They make a folding version too.
@PassionFocused3 жыл бұрын
Don't take note of a guy using four fingers to pull a clutch. Two finger max
@fatonisodiq93413 жыл бұрын
I can see the clutch-less up-shifting
@TheDazzler4203 жыл бұрын
Quick shifters present
@Trojan0202 жыл бұрын
There was no QS on this bike. It was a 2005 GSXR750 and I never added one. I just used clutcheless upshifts.
@fatonisodiq93412 жыл бұрын
@@Trojan020 yes that was what i mean, i saw you're doing it 👍
@avinashbakash3 жыл бұрын
Watching after 11 years of upload this video
@kushalnarasimha63224 жыл бұрын
What clutch system is that? Did you upshift without using clutch lever?
@Trojan0204 жыл бұрын
Kushal N yes, I upshift without using the clutch. This bike did not have a quick shifter. It had a stock transmission, clutch. It’s all about timing since it’s a sequential gearbox
@vigneshwaran74374 жыл бұрын
Higher Precision and flexibility in perfection made the best champion ever. Merge with the bike
@earlyaf55994 жыл бұрын
Should I blip the throttle a bit everytime I downshifts?
@Trojan0204 жыл бұрын
If you are comfortable with blipping and are able to apply the brake force you need, then yes you should blip.
@mohammadgamaslazuardi64384 жыл бұрын
And when you the downshift sequence, you didn't pull it all the way in yes?
@Trojan0204 жыл бұрын
Gamas Lazuardi correct. You don’t need to. Just enough to disengage the clutch plates. The point of vid is to show how slowly I modulate the final downshifts. That’s where you gain your control. Good luck and practice feeling it.
@mohammadgamaslazuardi64384 жыл бұрын
Slipping the clutch technique, yess?? I wanna you ask about your clutch play setting, how do you set the friction zone, is it: You set it so that when you grab comfortably with all four finger, it got little play then friction zone, or no play (when you comfortably grab the lever with all four finger)
@Trojan0204 жыл бұрын
Gamas Lazuardi clutch play has more to do the the clutch plates. How new or old they are. You can adjust for the reach at the lever, but play is internal and depends on wear. Hope that helps
@mem59225 жыл бұрын
are you using 4 fingers strictly for demonstration purposes? I have only ever used 2 fingers when doing brisk downshifting and would never occur to me to give up the grip of my last 2 fingers.
@Trojan0205 жыл бұрын
mem5922 I do use all 4. But if you are comfortable and controlled using 2 then you should do so. For braking I only use my index and middle finger. So no real rule with it.
@shortenanimeyt24726 жыл бұрын
Quick shifter ???
@Trojan0202 жыл бұрын
No QS.
@doctorthousand7 жыл бұрын
I use the same technique riding my Honda cb1000r during track days! Sometimes I blip, sometimes not, 'cause I have no time and I have to hold the front brake.
@eazybiker2467 жыл бұрын
bro your not blipping your throttle or rev matching, aren't you? but instead your using engine braking to help you slow down. great vid bro... ride safe and peace yo........
@Trojan0207 жыл бұрын
Eazy Biker no blipping in this vid. It's been a while since I've watched this but I think I do blip on the one downshift between turns 8-9 before the track heads onto the long front straight. The important thing to take away from this vid is how early I get all my downshifts completed before the corner and how slowly I let the clutch out after the last downshift
@eazybiker2467 жыл бұрын
yes bro your right i think it's very important to complete downshifting in the most earliest time and yeah that's one thing i noticed about how slowly you let out the clutch... the amazing thing is that you downshifted several times and yet you had no problem locking up your rear wheel. so i guess timing is the important key... hope you can also do body position videos... ride safe and peace bro....
@Trojan0207 жыл бұрын
Eazy Biker I'm not sure where you live, but I teach from time to time with Jason Pridmore Star School. If you want to work with body position I highly recommend trying to do one of our schools. We are mainly in So. Cal at Chuckwalla. I won't be at any schools for the next 2 years but we really try to get these 2 main points...body position and downshifts. Good luck in future and get great instruction and practice practice practice.
@amitnarayankar7 жыл бұрын
can i hold the clutch nd downshift more than 1gear like from 5th to 2 nd when i slow down very quickly or do i have to release the clutch everytime
@Trojan0202 жыл бұрын
You can, but it is harder to match rear wheel speed. If you do that it is best to have a slipper clutch.
@nikmuhamadtaufiqnikmohdzar58148 жыл бұрын
can we shift the gear without using the clutch?
@Trojan0202 жыл бұрын
You can on the upshifts. But it is very difficult to do on the downshifts and I would not recommend it.
@SmokinZen8 жыл бұрын
Not sure releasing the clutch correctly goes against what twist of the wrist II says?
@benjaminr43169 жыл бұрын
ya but dat downshifting tho....
@vkoptchev9 жыл бұрын
Non rev matched downshifts sound horrible. I cringe every single time I hear it, both in a car and on a bike. And I am aware even some pros don't do it. It's lazy and unskilled. Learn to rev-match!
@opmike3439 жыл бұрын
+vkoptchev I wouldn't say it's unskilled. The PRIMARY reason I rev-match is that it's easier and faster for me. Learning to feather the clutch smoothly, especially at high rpm and when rapidly approaching a corner takes more concentration for me.
@vkoptchev9 жыл бұрын
+opmike343 Learning to feather the clutch is easier than to rev match properly, that defines the skill to me. When you first learn rev matching you are much slower than just letting the clutch slowly, but once it becomes a reflex and you no longer think about it, it is worth in every way. The fun factor is incomparable and that's what most of us ride for.
@Fallenchuck224899 жыл бұрын
+vkoptchev i only really rev match when and if i need to down shift while in a corner so my rear wheel doesn't spin at a slower speed while leaned and cause a crash. other than that, a lot of people shift like this to get the rear to come out while coming into a corner to get a better angle coming in, and and sets up a better out.
@vkoptchev9 жыл бұрын
+Chuck Rose I believe downshifting in a corner is a no-no. Would definitely not do it with or without rev matching while leaning. Any down-shifts should be done before the turn-in, and with rev-matching this process is quicker so I can focus on the corner. Drifting in order to get a better corner exit is rarely used in MotoGP. The fastest way to take a high speed corner is to carry the speed corresponding to the maximum lean angle along the racing line. Marquez usually drifts at corner entries, but this is a result of his aggressive late breaking.
@Fallenchuck224899 жыл бұрын
i agree, but only the pros downshift in a corner or while leaned to some extent. if you watch jake lewis at barber i believe that he in turn 11 or something, downshifts while leaning to the right.
@bilek1petr9 жыл бұрын
do this downshifting on 2 cilindr motorcycle and you will go down very quickly.
@opmike3439 жыл бұрын
+Petr Bílek No it won't. The added engine braking will make it more challenging, though. I'm a rev-matcher personally, as I find it takes less mental resources for me, but I've tried the clutch feathering technique as well on V-twins.
@jomomma87549 жыл бұрын
I'd give my testicles to be able to watch a camera on each hand throughout this video.
@janfwhatever9 жыл бұрын
+Jo Momma was thinking the same but not the testicles though! ;)
@stevefarrimond9 жыл бұрын
on another note, if you want to back the bike in to a corner then this is how you do it, just kick down the gears and use the clutch to modulate the brake force to the rear wheel
@stevefarrimond9 жыл бұрын
personally I clutches up shift on almost every gear change, but on the way down I always blip and rev mach, even when using the front brake. I know motogp use the method you are showing, but this causes excess wear on the clutch and generates extra heat in the engine/gearbox casing, this method isn't for me.
@Aabbcczzxxcc9 жыл бұрын
no blip throttle on the downshifting - its not professional skill.
@tomislavmiak5809 жыл бұрын
+Ale Sau he was bilped , listen the sound
@Aabbcczzxxcc9 жыл бұрын
Tomislav Miak no its not.
@MyChannel-dr8em7 жыл бұрын
Motogp riders like rossi don't blip... they brake hard and are very quick to select the right gear..its more efficient.
@TanmayChhatbar7 жыл бұрын
That is because of autoblippers and slipper clutches.
@Aabbcczzxxcc7 жыл бұрын
On motogp bike you can try differen techniques. And yes, they also have ABS and TCS as i know.
@Kakabeblen10 жыл бұрын
I am far from a professional but I do have remarkable observation skills, so I will say this: Your downshifts are quite lazy. You release the clutch -way- too slowly. Upshifts are much better. Also, I absolutely LOVE your bike (The GSX-R750)
@EnterGenericUserName8849 жыл бұрын
He has to release the clutch so slowly because he doesn't rev match while downshifting, he mentioned that somewhere else in the comments section. If he would quickly release the clutch while not rev matching, oh lord...
@didntstickthe1v1505 жыл бұрын
The Mad Titan why do you have to release the clutch slowly? I mean i've never seen somebody doing that.
@InvalidUsername72511 жыл бұрын
What is that blue knob/lever on you clutch? Great video by the way!
@didntstickthe1v1505 жыл бұрын
Hunter Mods no, it changes how far the clutch lever is away from the grip. If u have short hands you set it to 1, if u have giant hands u set it to 6.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Bit late now mate , I sold the bike about 5 years ago now :( Getting a second hand CBR900RR in the coming summer here :)
@michaelovitch11 жыл бұрын
10 hp lost ? lol that's just ridiculous for 300 000 kms. I think you could have contacted honda and tell them this story. They certainly would have been interested in dissecting it and who knows they could have give you a new one !
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Summer & Winter 10000 K intervals, I think tha fact I have been anal about servicing and maintenance that this bike prior to me selling it have been an absolute gem, never ever broken down anywhere. The bike was so reliable I didn't see any point in selling it. On the Dyno it produced 110 BHP at the rear wheel when I bought it new and was still producing 100 at the time of sale. Maybe I should not have sold in favor of a newer machine.
@michaelovitch11 жыл бұрын
That's a reliable engine ! Yes the synthetic oil help for sure,but 300 000 is really huge. I agree about shear stability. However i can use auto engine oil in my bike because the gearbox/ dry clutch are separated from the engine,and it redline at 8000 rpm. i just have a counter shaft with straight cut gears but no load on it. Do you extend the oil changes a bit because it's a synthetic or you follow strict mileage or time periods ?
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
"daniel" A modern Motorcycle gear box is very strong given their size and the use and or abuse they get. Upshifts are no issue as you have seen and if a similar technic is used downshifting rapid and smooth changes can be made, with a light preload of the shift lever a momentary buttoning of the clutch at the same time the throttle is bliped. , Road riding is very different of course because time is not the enemy.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Didn't loose traction but you were getting RPM flare as a result of the engine not being matched to the rear wheel speed and you lost a lot of time as a result by not syncing the RPM minimising any clutch bite. This is why racer's blip and Race Car driver's heel and toe often without the clutch as well. You vid does however show good smooth control of the clutch as different road and track conditions demand different skills and you demo'd this one well. :)
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Original Engine, never been out of the frame. Had the head off to replace leaking valve stem seals. Chain and Sprockets regularly replaced, both wheel bearings once, a Carb kit plus the normal stuff like Air filter, Coolant and Engine Oil. Incidentally I only ever used Castrol GPS a synthetic designed for water cooled Motorcycles, IMHO NEVER use regular Auto engine oil as it just does not have the shear stability for bike engines.
@michaelovitch11 жыл бұрын
wow. That's huge ! Is it the original engine ? What majors repairs did you do to it ?
@NgocVu-ee5et6 жыл бұрын
michaelovitch i
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
My trusty old '92 Honda CBR 600 RF Sold in 2008 and soon to be replaced by a 2012/2013 CBR600RR. Yes it is a lot of Kilometer's but I use it to scout wideload routes in the ninties as an out rider for a Wide load Escort Company so I rode a lot.
@michaelovitch11 жыл бұрын
300 000 kms ? What bike is it ?
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Hang on a sec are we talking Car transmissions or Bike ? Such a setup as you put it exists by the way in the Hondamatic semi auto box.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Agreed there are multiple ways of achieving the change and this also depends on the corner the rider track or road position, the big and important thing is your smooth as an instructor some years ago I have seen many that weren't.
@Trojan02011 жыл бұрын
My rear tire never lost traction on corner entry, because I feed out the clutch gently and not drop it. Blipping works also, but like I said in the description there are multiple ways to downshift. I have never been able to coordinate my blips without adding extra pressure to the front brake. For me it works great. For Jason Pridmore it works great. For Reg Pridmore it works great. Both blipping and not blipping are OK, they both accomplish the same things.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
I know of a Lamborghini and Maclarin box that is configured that way but for the life of me I cannot remember what model, I'll find it. Your right though as most sequential's use a single and in some cases a multiplate clutch usually dry, I'll have to go have a look through my service records, excluding things like drag racing Lenco's of course :)
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Trojan your shifts would also be much smoother on the downshift if you blip-ed your throttle minimising the engine braking drag and possibility of the rear tire loosing traction. there were a number of times I heard the rev's flare as you let the clutch out, if you blip-ed the throttle this is minimised and your changes faster and smoother.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
That is what he was doing but instead of a fancy throttle cut he was pre-loading the shift lever with the toe and buttoning off the throttle lust a tad and the change is done.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Synchro-mesh and Constant Mesh Sequential's are two completely different types of gearboxes yes. A synchro-mesh generally uses a brass cup which mates with cone on the gear to assist in the two coming to the same speed so the locking collar can engage - this of course depends on the internal construction of the gearbox too. Most modern Sport bikes are a Constant Mesh Dog engaged Sequential. some run a soft slip ring to help match speeds of the dogs to the holes they engage into remember.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Refering to your post re Car Electro-Mechanical shifting, some Cars use multi stage system where each gear uses a clutch-pack not unlike a fully automatic box completely manually operated, R35 is a good example too of the dual system too.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Sequential gearboxes are fundamentally very different from a conventional Syncromesh gearbox BUT both can be upshifted and downshifted WITHOUT the need for the clutch, the clutch is included to get mobile. Look at Fuller Road Ranger gearboxes in trucks they have a clutch but other than getting moving and for reverse it is seldom used. My bike has some 300000 Km on it over 15 years of riding Mountain Roads and clutch-less changes, next
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
No mate some actually use a clutch-pack system not unlike an auto and you are actually changing which clutch-pack is locked up. Some of the BMW's and Merc's I've worked on actually use a very similar system to motorcycle dog engagement with their sequential box and the clutch isn't used for either up or downshifts as they have a very clever ignition cut / throttle blip electronic system built in. " michael " does not seem to understand, it might make him go and actually find out.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Air shifts work by using a compressed air storage cylinder and a button controlled air valve applies air pressure to carefully measured lengths of airline. 1 A pneumatic cylinder attached to the gear lever and 2 via a "T" fitting that same air to an ignition cutoff switch. This allows the Shift cylinder to pre-load the shift lever and then the ignition cuts off very briefly unloading the gearbox input and effecting the change. Everything that a road rider does manually but much faster.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Downshifts can be done exactly the same way but it is much smoother to blip the throttle and button the clutch smoothly.
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
A couple of things I noticed were all 4 finger's on the clutch and no rear brake trailing when buttoning off the throttle in the first couple of corner's, this can effect engine braking and corner balance. There are way too many rider's that just don't understand the internal workings of a dog engaged constant mesh transmission like a modern sport bike and the fact you DON'T absolutely need the clutch to up shift, just a light pre-load on the lever and blip off the throttle change done.