if the choreography is too hard we literally used to just let the person singing stop dancing and stand still for their part?? why don't they do that anymore??

wait im curious in what instances did groups lipsync encore stages bc thats crazyyy

that's why I stan stray kids💖

The thing about auto tune is it has a duel purpose. It is often used as an effect or stylistic choice as well as pitch correction. As I understand it when autotune first started being used it was strictly pitch correction and it was not noticed by the public for the most part. It stayed in the background until Cher used it in Believe for the robotic sound it can cause. Then T-Pain made it his signature sound. Autotune was initially not meant to be noticed or used all the time. It was to save artists time. If they messed up on a part it could be corrected instead of having to be re-recorded. Now it is more like a crutch. Also backing tracks are not always used like mentioned in the video. I've also noticed them being used when the song is maybe too complex. For example there are a lot of adlibs or a soloist is harmonizing with themselves. The singer is singing live with a backing track so that parts they physically cannot sing are still in the performance. The audience still hears the song as it sounds on the album. The singer doesn't have to try to sing all the adlibs as well as the verses. In these cases the singers are not trying to be heard over the backing track because it is not meant to overshadow them.

I love how chill you are and how calmly you talk

it disappoints me as an SNSD fan.. from debut they often sang live with demanding choreo! Everyone knows SNSD can sing well! but even they do lipsyncing now since maybe the Party era. It's so sad because I just want to hear their wonderful voices...

PLEASE DON'T GIVE OUT FALSE INFORMATION. MILLI VANILLI were NOT cancelled for lip syncing their live vocals!! They were cancelled for lip syncing over SOMEONE ELSES vocals and tried to pass it off as themselves!! They weren't singing at all. That is completely different from lip syncing over YOUR OWN vocals because you are dancing so hard. PLEASE clarify that for your viewers!!

Congrats on your first video! I've never listened to K-Pop and this is my first introduction to how it might work when created, but I've always kind of known that they might not be singing live purely because their choreography is INSANE! You'd have to be superhuman to breathe through the dance, as well as vocals, considering how fast everything happens. Very informative video! From what I've noticed, it feels like K-Pop is one of the most demanding genres in the world when it comes to the visuals in the videos/live performances. It's more than understandable why they lipsync, however I can't figure out where and when the demand for the crazy choreo comes from, which seems to be the reason why the Idols haven't got a chance to direct their energy to singing.

Hey I liked what you were saying but can you speak with more energy? Makes the video more boring

I'm not interested in Kpop (i'm aware of Idol culture through vtubers and other weeb things I like), but this showed up in my recommended and I like your style, hard to believe this is your first video! Keep up the good work!

That's why I try to stan groups that feel somewhat honest and not plastic.

really interesting video on quite a current and controversial topic! my only suggestion would be to give video examples (though i understand it's a lot of work + perhaps copyright issues). or maybe just mention "an example is this group's performance here" (basically like you offered quotes from chan and hwasa, and later gave an example with iu - that really elevated the video!) (this will be long i apologize lol) when it comes to lipsyncing, i also have conflicting thoughts at times. while i appreciate a group consistantly singing live (for example btob or kard) i don't think it makes them morally superior to those groups who don't. singing live of course is and should be the standard as it's essentialy their main job, so i understand feelings of disappointment, etc, but i think fans should check themselves purely on the basis of hypocrisy: at some point, for some reason, your favorite group or artists will have to lipsync, and if you give them understanding then you must extend that understanding to others. it also doesn't automatically mean an artist is bad or untalented. another thing is that one cannot escape both societal and internalized misogyny when discussing this, as it's obvious girl groups get a lot more hate for not singing live, as well as getting a lot more hate for singing live and making a mistake. as you also mention, i personally understand usage of lipsyncing to a certain extent. one is obviously the heavy choreography. i think one of the reasons why the usage of lipsyncing grew in recent years is because of this demand that each member of a group be an all-rounder or an "ace" whereas previously the roles within a group were much more heavily stuck to - you had the visual or the center, you had the dancers, you had the rapppers and the vocalists; and not all of them were expected to sing, or to rap, or to dance, and it was normal to see someone do something better as it was their specialty. like you mention, an incredibly strong and capable vocalist may struggle with choreography, but why would that be so terrible? a rapper doesn't have to belt. a dancer doesn't need to have equal vocal distribution. but since the 3rd generation, with the rise of all-rounders and self-producers, the critics grew harsher on groups and the demand for equal perfection skyrocketed. and the only way to meet that demand is with pre-recorded vocals. another reason i understand lipsync usage is that the idols are definitely overbooked during their now largely two week promotion period (when in earlier generations, the promotion periods were much longer). they're singing daily, sometimes multiple times per day, on not much sleep, as you have to be at the music shows sometimes even at 4am. this is incredibly straining on the vocal chords, and you're already primed to make even more mistakes in these conditions. and although at recent times idols have been able to go on break even during promotion periods, this system does allow idols to work while sick or otherwise not up to par, which benefits to company. now having said that, i do think that companies and the idols should sort out a schedule to have a fair balance of singing live vs lipsyncing so that it affords them the benefits of rest and certainty of solid performances, while also showing fans commitment in providing great live performances. you shouldn't have your group have a christening by fire as they do their first live vocals at coachella. encore stages should be live. concert performances should always be live, though like chan said it's understandable to use a backing track to ensure the performance is as amazing as it can be given the conditions of the venue. still, i think groups should be more open to abandoning heavy choreography to the benefit of the vocal performance - as depending on where you are in a venue or how big it is, the choreography impact just isn't the same as a limited music show performance, or music video, etc. ultimately, i don't keep up with many groups in terms of their promotional performances enough to have a say in their live abilites, nor do i really care as it's down to their own fans and not to me. however i do have to say that, as i was catching other performances around kard's recent promotions with ring the alarm, it was disheartening to see them be the only ones to sing live, or one of the few to do so, within a schedule, and even more disheartening to see them be the only one to do so consistantly throughout their entire promotions - be it music shows, radio, award shows, etc. if you work with your artists, if you listen to them and make decisions in their best interest, you CAN have two weeks of solid live performances. making lipsycing at music shows a standard atp is what's criminal to me. there should be the nuance of expectancy of a live performance v leniancy if the performance is not live for any of the above reasons, or if a live perfomance isn't perfect. trying to sell to me, though, that a group you thought was ready to debut or has been active for a while now could not have at least 25% of their performances live during promotions? and expecting me to value the praise and hype they get the same as underappreciated live performers is absolutely a difficult sell and something that i just can't buy - even though i'm a decent human being and won't go bashing groups i have no care for. a group singing live consistantly, even if their abilites aren't on par, will always have my respect.

I just wan to say that a lot of idols have talked about how they STILL practice singing. For example, Taeyeon talked freely about how she still practice singing, Baekhyun, Jihyo from TWICE. But I remember that Hyoyeon/Sooyoung said that they don't practice much singing, because they are in a position where they don't have to sing a lot in their songs. And Hyoyeon NOW started to have singing lessons, because she is a solo artist and she tried to improve his vocals. And I think it's an important debate to take in account why it seems that some idols/artists sing a lot better than other members. Boram of T-ARA was one of the lead vocalists, (for me, she has the best voice beside soyeon) and she talked about how not having too-much lines made her deppresed and waste a lot of time arranging his outfit or makeup for two seconds of lines.

Purple Moon, you have made some excellent points in your video in which I have wondered about myself for a long while! These companies should realize that the fanbase wants to hear their Idols sing "Live" whenever possible!

please stop saying lipsync is to protect vocal cord. luciano pavarotti for example had been a tenor singer since 1955 till 2006, thats 55 years of singing. how many years most korean idol will be active singing? 7 years of contracts? 14 years contracts? 20 years? and thats not even close to many singer in the past. mick jagger still active from 1960 till 2022, just watch his last performance at 79 years old. the 1st people who said lipsync is to protect vocal cord, he lied. he made popular opinions eaten buy the who utuber content creators and became a subconcious believe that vocal cord is that fragiles and easily destroyed just because you scream in every shows thats a complete bullsht, irrational, out of logic and we have tons of proves that people can sing live for 50 years plus without any harm to their vocal cords. STOP SAYING IT DESTROYING YOUR VOCAL CORDS, its not. lipsync is basically instagram fault, media sosial have been scamming people with FILTERS, so everyone on IG must be looks like at level goddess hahahah so when an idol looks uglier than some random instagram posts from random chicks seeking validations or selling their woohoo, it will be disasters for the idol and industries. natural good looking girls actually RARE. majority of girls are 4,5,6. not every school have a 7 an 8 probably only exist in 1 every 500KM 9 is a unicorn and 10 never exist like santa claus. so what today people buying is?? make up and filters, knowledge of videography and video editing, applying LUTS and stuff. because this is so populer, and all people jump into it, and its relatively cheap and easy to make, the company stop bothering to trains the idols for QUALITY performance especially on singing. because just selling your looks alone already bring a tons of simps, makes you popular just wearing make up and smile, and expesive brands will be lining up to endorse. actually kpop just adopting selebgram bussiness models LOL. the simping epidemic, this is the root of the problems.

Your voice is pure asmr

yes

Such a good video, you've described the issue really well, in such a good way! It's difficult to belive this is your first video!

A bit of added context to the lovelyz situation: I believe a part of the reason they were singled out on queendom for lipsyncing even though other groups also did the same was bc either they or their company had previously publicly stated that they would always preform live. I was never a stan so I'm not familiar with the specifics but I do remember that being a big part of their brand and a point of pride for their fans. Still doesn't justify the hate they got though imo

Kpop "idols" ruined the word "idol" for me

I loved your voice and how you tell the story calmly and smoothly. Almost an ASMR with dense content!

"but the energizing feeling they get when performing for fans is a different experience altogether" BTOB had said that they insist themselves on singing live because they feel energized from doing so Now they're amazing vocalists, but they have had their imperfect vocal moments too like voice cracks But that's ok! Because at least you know that the stage is live And they couldn't care less about looking the best visually, singing live always comes first

just came back for a minute to say thank you for the views, likes and comments :’) i expected this to reach like 2k people at most. im already doing some brainstorming for my next video yay! im gonna try to figure out the community tab to make polls for future videos. once again, thank you very much for being here <3

Hello nice video & I can agree with you. Plus the beginning part tho

And it’s even worse when it’s not just a 3-5 members groups but 7, 9, 11 and more when each of them needs to sing not more than for 10 seconds (sometimes it’s even just 1 line) and just dance for the rest of the song, but even in these cases they still can’t sing live and their fans are defending them because of the hArD ChOrEogRapHy. Open your eyes, idols are not just dancers, firstly they are MUSICIANS and it’s their job to sing. What’s the point in admiring idols if any person who can dance on the mediocre level can go to studio, have their poor vocals mastered and call themselves a singer, an idol. In forth gen it’s just pretty dolls hopping around the stage and thinking only about whether their hair look good

Excellent video

I totally get why people would be irritated when groups always lip syncing. But what I don't get is that they blame the idols and attack them. When it isn't the idols fault, it's their company and/or the place that they are at fault.

dreamcatcher members always sing live and that's one of their biggest strengths. their group is full of high notes and they're not afraid of showing their vocals

What happened to lovelyz was particularly cruel considering almost everyone on queendom lipsynced

it's impressive even radio lives and encores have a LOUD backing track these days.. WTH.

ik its controversial but i enjoy Blackpink's live performances despite some mistakes and voice cracks because it feels real. they feel like human beings, they have vocal issues, they sometimes miss the choreo and its amazing, it makes me happy that they genuinely look like they are enjoying their tour, they are very similar to westerns artists, who sometimes make mistakes on stage, that's why they stand out to me at least.

When Taeyeon struggles in the recording booth then, pitch is too high.

Great job, i have no interest in kpop, but I couldn't stop listening. You've got a good voice and the editing was clear and simple to navigate! Anyway keep up the great work!

k-pop is turning into a choreo and visual genre, not music and singing...

I'm glad thar my fave groups can sing live while having a hard choreo bts, astro, nu'est

i recently found out about a singer called Ado. Nobody knows her face. Only her voice. I thought I'll never see her sing live because how can she hides her face while performing live but boy I was wrong. She did & I still have no idea how she looks like. Just show how a live-singing can be enjoyed without the need for hard choreo & good looking people. All you need is good vocal & great concert production. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3jbZpmZnKqoraM

I think another reason that should be taken into consideration is how demanding these music show are, brand deals r easier and pays more. idols had to be in standby for like half a day at the venue to perform for 3 mins. Notice how yg doesnt only let tgeir artist perform at certain music show. Snsd sooyoung even talk about how she had to get up before sunrise to get her hair and make up done, waited half a day just to sing a few lines during igab era. The working environment prob (hopefully) has gotten better for the 4th gen

I always wonder what the point is in all the agony of monthly evaluations during trainee days for vocals, major emphasis on vocals in survival shows, etc. when eventually the idols aren’t expected to sing live once they become successful idols. I agree that companies and fans share a bit of the blame by expecting/demanding perfection. Idols are crucified when they make mistakes & it’s terrifying. MR removed videos were nightmare inducing for idols, but nowadays when you watch them all you hear is the studio track for the most part. I personally love hearing the actual live vocals, breathing, etc. it’s sad to see the shift in emphasis from skills to visuals. In order for this to change, fan culture needs to change as well. Companies see pretty groups earning $, so that acts as the incentive for them to continue the formula. Really loved how well researched and spoken your commentary was! Appreciated the non biased and realistic stance. Keep up the great work.

I'm pretty sure Mamamoo uses backtracks and whatnot, but let's be honest, they're not lip syncing very often (they're awful at it).

Hmm is everyone forgetting StrayKids and Nmixx who sings live and has hard choreo including getting to the ground and standing up within seconds. ITZY was already mentioned in the comments

Idols are supposed to be perfect, they have to dance under hot lights and are usually very winded, you can't have perfect vocals that never break 100% of the time while bouncing all over the stage. I wouldn't expect idols to actually sing at a show. It ruins the image of them being better than the rest of us.

I feel like all the lipsyncing affects the performances. Look at MAMA 2022. There's no interaction with the audience, no adlibs, nothing. With the exception of Treasure, who definitely sang live, most stages were quite boring. If the choreo is so difficult you can't sing live, you should adapt it. If I want to see a dance performance, I'll go and watch that.

Good thing I Stan TREASURE, the LIVE VOCAL KINGS of new gen.

That's why I just can't stan groups like aespa. I like their music, but I enjoy watching group nmixx(even though I tolerate the songs they are bad/meh) dreamcatcher, ateez, itzy, etc. That fit the category. I like their songs but i just cant stan them bc singing is one of the things I care abt hearing from them.

Honestly, I think it’s horrific what they’re really saying about Leeseo and Wonyoung.While I really, really do not like lip-synching all of the time or even when idols are sitting down or standing, I think we still that we have to remind ourselves that we are criticizing the company‘s decisions and not just the idols themselves, especially as we know that they usually do not have a choice. I hope the companies see that there is backlash towards the idols and try to make it better so that they can sing more. The only way these companies are going to listen is if there is backlash and they are losing money and prestige. Let me make it clear that I don’t support bullying idols, but I do think it’s wrong that people paid money to see these idols sing and they’re not going to sing live. I don’t consider backtracks lipsyncing.

y’all it’s literally not that deep. they do hard dances, so they lip sync. like let’s see you sing live🤔 anyway they recorded the original song in the first place, so it’s not like they can’t sing. 🤷‍♀️give them a dam break for once

I've been a kpop fan since 2007 and choreo now is just impossible to perform without lip syncing the majority of the song. There are groups that do sing their songs fully live despite having hard choreo, like SHINee and TVXQ, and they sound great, so it's possible to have hard choreo and still sing. However, the kpop market has become so saturated and competitive that every group is fighting tooth and nail to be the best, most impressive group, which has led to this emphasis on insane performances that hinder the idols' ability to sing. It's sad because it really limits an artist from growing vocally. I'm glad I became a kpop fan before the third gen. I hate watching music shows and hearing pre-recorded vocals for 90% of performances. It makes it seem like music shows don't trust that idols can sing well anymore. At least with live vocals, if an idol sucked, they could learn from their mistakes, get some feedback, and improve their skill/technique, but when you lip sync the majority of the time you don't learn so you don't improve. It's disappointing that kpop has become like this.

Agreed with everything said in this video 👍