I would imagine a pad change like you did makes a world of difference for these cans, not that they really NEED any help to sound good. Thanks for watching!

I agree, it’s an online persona. Also, we are fortunate to live in an time where advanced technology has given us a gift of great audio for smaller price tags than ever. The point I was trying to make is that all power is not equal. I’ve heard (speaker) amplifiers boasting huge power outputs and supposedly low THD ratings that sounded horrible and 30 wpc amps that sounded amazing. These cans certainly can benefit from more power, but it needs to be really good power. Amps designed to create great bench tests often don’t sound great to the human ear. Which is why I steadfastly refuse to care about how much THD an amp is rated at. I only care about how it sounds. I think bench tests are probably measuring the wrong things. And no, I am not nearly smart enough to suggest what should be measured instead.

@@headspaceav Oh I agree 100% on the measurement thing. I had a discussion with someone the other day about that, how human senses are both more complex than we give it credit for, and our senses are also connected to and affecting eachother. Changing what you look at while listening to something can change the perception of it, and a foul smell can burn a negative association into your brain, linked to a sound you just happened to hear at the time and so on. I do somewhat agree that measurements are objectively superior, but you can only measure what you are looking for. Our hearing on the other side, measures nothing but is incredibly adept at picking up something that "just sounds/feels wrong" without giving you much clue of what spesifically it is. An example I like is comparing sound measuring to the gaming industry. For the longest time, average FPS (frames per second) was the standard metric of how well something ran. Then people started realizing that they could have really good fps but it still felt like crap, so in the last decade the standard has changed to include fps, 0.1% lows, latency and consistancy of frame delivery, because its the sum total of ALL these factors that constitutes your experience. I think audio is very similar, that you can accurate results for what you measure, but you can never get metrics for something you didnt spesifically test for. I hope some day there will be better metrics to actually reflect the real life experience of audio gear, like the computer / gaming industry have managed to do. Then of course theres manufacturers just straight up lying about their specs. I bought a Fosi ZA3 to run some tiny speakers on my desk, and it works great but the actual real output per channel is half of what they advertise. When the output is lied about, it puts into question any other spec as well, like the THD you mention. Also, another one of your commenters told me that running DT880s balanced (both cable and internally) has the same effect Z was talking about. I have ordered parts to do a conversion and test this, mostly because im super curious. Maybe the k712 will finally be dethroned as a daily driver haha :D Sorry for this comment rivaling Tolkiens complete works in length. Its just an exciting topic to me!

Agreed. Right now you can have either noise cancellation or you can have superior sound, but you can’t have both. Both have their advantages in different situations. On an airplane, I’ll happily trade some sound quality to reduce the roar of those jet engines.

Been using K712pro for a decade now, and its my default headphones. I have a ton of other headphones that I love to play around with for different genres, different tasks like gaming or movies etc etc, but if I could only keep one it would for sure be the K712pro with a solid state amp simply because they are the one headphone that always finds their way back on my head. Its the one plugged in at the start of the day and and the end of it, every day. I have no idea if this is helpful to you at all.

@@kvernesdotten I did get them in the end.

@@mangs9940 Awesome, now I just need to convince you to get dekoni hybrid pads and do a balanced conversion haha :D Half joking, but great choice though! Imo one of the best all rounders there is

@@kvernesdotten I own modded dt880 600ohm from custom cans, previously owned k712/hd600/hd6xx/dt770 and way more expensive cans, DT880 I own on balanced connection are something else believe me my tube amp is not even on half volume and they are bass cannons with clarity in doing so... I'm amazed and beside wider sound stage of k712 they are better in everything

@@soulfulfool K712 isnt particularly wide to begin with, so thats not much of a win imo haha. I do have a pair of DT880s but im waiting for parts to get them converted to balanced. However, if left stock I think the K712 crushes the DT880s, and if you mod either of them they are now in a completely different class both in performance and price. Especially if you rely on kits or premade products to convert them, with quality parts, its not hard to push them into a price range where they compete with the likes of Hifiman, Meze and entry level Audeze. Thats rough to overcome imo. I dont know if you'd agree, but I think the biggest advantage K712 have over any of the DT770/880/990 is resolution if anything. Looking forward to see what the DT880s are like balanced though, generally I do like the beyerdynamic sound so hoping that stays ^^ I hope its even a fraction of what people say it will be like. Oh well, half the fun of this hobby is to explore, right?

I had those, now use the 880 250 ohm...the 990 600 ohm was just too harsh for my taste.

@@ColAngus I've bought the 990 edition & I think they are fantabidoozie particularly as I got them for a hundred quid 🙂 Maybe you hav'nt got the amplification necessary?

@@nicholasmorrill4711 Great price and that is all that matters is that YOU appreciate them....I do have enough juice for them. :)

Wow. If you haven’t already I’d reach out to Schiit and try to send them in for a fix. I think you may be surprised, they might not even charge you.

Serious? The worst thing is that I'm talking to a seller who claims that it is original, here I got it for 78 dollars, as it is a very old headset I imagined that the Chinese made it like the Campfire Andromeda which sells for half the price and they evaluated it here in my parents and they were original.

Nice! If I ever get into speakers again, one of my life goals is to get a Luxman integrated amp. Luxman is the Lexus of Japanese audio (along with Accuphase).

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Nice! What pads did you choose to replace the old ones?

@@headspaceav firstly older sennheiser headphones I have have a much thicker pad like on my hd575 and much more comfortable, also trying to see inprove the bass reponse on my hd660s , 6xx although this has the custom cabs bass mod. Thanks mark

Which one do you think sounds better🤔

are they new, I have the Beyer Dynamic 990 DT 600 ohm..is incredible what a soundstage but also you can wear it 24/7 you dont even know you are wearing them.

Thanks for watching. I haven’t sampled the new Midgard but the WaveTheory dude did and he posted a YT review about a month ago. He has a lot of comments about that amp with his modded balanced DT 880’s. TLDR is he liked it but preferred the slightly more expensive Asgard at least for single ended headphones. Check out his review. Good luck!

⁠@@headspaceavthanks for the reply and suggestion. I didn’t watch his review yet, but I did end up getting the Asgard. The DT880 600ohm sounded surprisingly good powered off my pc motherboard, but I felt like there was a lot more to uncover. The volume was fine (although I was wanting a little more) but I felt like there was a lot more these headphones could offer but was being held back. Don’t get me wrong though they still sounded awesome. Now with the Modi 3E and Asgard, Low gain setting is very quiet so have to use high gain. I play it around 12 o’clock to about 3. But seeing the volume knob around 3 o’clock makes me nervous hehe. It sounds so good I even cranked it to max and it was so clean. I feel like they could probably be driven even harder but I’m probably better off that it won’t go louder with the Asgard. This is a wonderful pair of headphones and this amp combo is perfect. I was worried about the treble but it’s perfect. I do love treble but not overboard (like my Soundcore IEMs) Overall love this combination and totally happy with it. I don’t have much to compare it to headphone wise. Went to this setup from using Soundcore IEMs and it’s a whole new world. So amazing. Thanks again!

Thanks for watching! I checked the specs for your Topping amp and I don’t see anything listed at 600 ohms. If the manufacturer doesn’t list output at that impedance it probably won’t work with these cans. Sorry! But hey, maybe this is the excuse you’ve been looking for to get a new headphone amp. :-)

Sounds like you got a good deal!

I think you need to go back and watch the entire video. You completely misunderstood what I said. :-) Thanks for watching and Happy New Year!

yea original color sucks

I bought those half a year ago on Amazon DE as an UK import with a scratch (that i am unable to find) and the reduced price was 205 Euro (= $224). My jaw dropped when I went to AKG right now and saw that they would charge you currently $659.

Yes, but it’s essentially identical to the Pro. According to Beyerdynamic’s web site they sound the same (as long they are the same impedence). The Edition has a slightly cushier headband and a straight cable instead of a coiled cable. Basically it’s Po-tay-toh, po-tah-toh. :-) north-america.beyerdynamic.com/dt-880-edition.html

@@headspaceav the other difference i've heard about is the clamp force. pros apparently clamp significantly harder, and this probably does change the sound a bit.

Here you go… bowerswilkins.encompass.com/model/BWLP7HEADPHONES

Erm, the Emotive BasX A-100 sends 50W per channel over the headphone jack. If you do the page 11 jumper mod. Jumpers included upon purchase.

Gonna need a dedicated amp man. And one that pushes a good amount of power at that. A sound card ain't gonna cut it

the model in this video is the "premium edition", not the "pro". he is mistaken, and it does say on the box he holds up..and i believe you are correct, the pro only comes in 250ohm 👍

totally agree. all headphones, no matter how they sound, would benefit from subtle eq. love my loki to death.

Visit AKG’s web site and you can see the specs there. BTW I mention in the video that they are 62 ohms. :-) I hope you’re enjoying them!

@@headspaceav Why AKG's web site when he has Beyerdinamic DT 880? Wouldn't it be logic to visit the Beyerdynamic's web site instead? 🤔 As far as I know there are three Ohm variants of the DT 880 produced: 80, 250 and the here spoken 600 Ohm! (I have the 250 Ohm version but I'm interested in the - what Beyerdynamic calls - "audiofile" - German for "audiophile" - version of the DT 880!) Although I love my DT 880 250 Ohm which is easy to drive even with a small Sharkoon Gaming DAC Pro S - that won't by sufficient for the 600 Ohm variant I'm sure! But I'm still waiting for my Lehmannaudio Drachenfels (with USB) amp (that will have absolutely no problem at all with the DT 880 600 Ohm. Why do I know this? Because Beyerdynamic and Sennheiser use Lehmannaudio amp - Linear II - to set up their headphones it's simply the benchmark of headphone amps)! 😇

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The Sound Demo AKG K712Pro: kzbin.info/www/bejne/apLLaKSXnpaArpYsi=ENSnNuU0kuf9XmV4

Can you link me the pads and what is the purpose of those foam dampeners?

He mentions Dt 880

I checked Fiio’s web site and it looks like the K9 makes 300mW into 300 ohms. I think you’ll be pushing it really hard if you pair with 600 ohm headphones. Beyerdynamic also makes a 250 ohm version of these cans so that might be an option.