Can i ask what are warranty period and conditions on the compressor ?. And although heatpumps are quiet when new, in 8yrs time it maybe more noisy, how do you live with it then buddy, what will vaillant do to reduce the noisy unit?.
@timminsitСағат бұрын
I asked that exact question on the Facebook heat pump forum and the general consensus was that old heat pumps are quiet too. I guess that time will tell for us, but we'll maintain the device exactly in-line with Vaillant's policies. The warranty is 7 years.
@adriandarke5393Сағат бұрын
@timminsit very interesting, as OFTEC recently advised me to take out mitigation insurance. How reliably the manufacturer will back you up and replace a noisy compressor or fan will in the future event be seen.
@timminsit57 минут бұрын
@@adriandarke5393 I don't know, I guess that time will tell. However, I take confidence in there being billions of compressors in use around the world in A/C units and fridges, so engineers must know how to make them reliable and quiet.
@PeterUn-h1i13 сағат бұрын
The amount of kit required is huge space wise. Just wouldn't have room in my little place
@timminsit12 сағат бұрын
A littler place needs a littler heat pump. Get a guy to give your a quote and see what you think.
@PeterUn-h1i12 сағат бұрын
@timminsit got no where to put a tank for a start. Houses don't have cupboards anymore for such kit.
@timminsitСағат бұрын
Heat Geek reckon they've got a solution for that. It's a tiny tank that'll fit in (say) a kitchen unit. It's pretty clever. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYKkiWmvnLxsfq8
@tommilton9293Күн бұрын
You can pretty much tell if it’s a good install by the fact that they’ve gone for an Esbe diverter valve.
@timminsitСағат бұрын
Yeah, the ESBE diverter is pretty cool.
@iameccles2 күн бұрын
great video, the external unit tour was interesting.
@timminsit2 күн бұрын
Thank you. My video editing skills need some work. 🙂
@iameccles2 күн бұрын
@@timminsit wish me luck octopus are installing mine next week
@timminsit2 күн бұрын
@@iameccles Good luck, but I don't think you'll need it, they seem to be doing good work. Will you be recording the process and sticking it on KZbin?
@iameccles2 күн бұрын
@@timminsit maybe i'm more of a solar/battery geek but I'll try :)
@timminsit2 күн бұрын
@@iameccles our heat pump is draining our little battery pretty quickly.
@David-bl1bt2 күн бұрын
A nice install Jason The grey isolater is a nice touch, mine is one of those red/yellow ones that stick out like a sore thumb. Not aesthetically pleasing in the garden. What make is that isolator? I may consider changing mine to one in the spring.
@timminsit2 күн бұрын
Thank you. It's going well so far. The isolator is by Scame. You can buy them here... midsummerwholesale.co.uk/buy/renewable-heat-accessories/heat-pump-isolator-32
@David-bl1bt2 күн бұрын
Interesting.... How nobody wanted the bounty's 😂 Why? Well, I love them😀
@timminsitСағат бұрын
Ewww, no, Bountys are evil. 🤮😉
@MrCro934 күн бұрын
Pressure is very low, given this is new install it is either leaking or installers did not performed checks well. Also I think this type of ESBE valve is actually mixing valve, which can be used as diverter valve, but there exist on market a proper diverter valves which perform their role better.
@timminsit4 күн бұрын
Thank you for your comments. We have a weeping radiator valve at the moment which will be sorted soon. The valve and actuator are working beautifully and the flow rate is good.
@MrCro934 күн бұрын
@timminsit mixing valves cannot be fully closed, so they are always leaking a bit in either directions, but that is not something significal.
@timminsit4 күн бұрын
@MrCro93 the valve body and the actuator are separate items, I don't think you can see the body in the video. How can you tell it's wrong? Also, the actuator is either (mains) powered or not, it does not support variable positioning.
@MrCro933 күн бұрын
I think that you have ESBE ARA671 installed. Something like ESBE MBA135 would be better choice.
@marktimmins35895 күн бұрын
Nice to know there is a heat geek assured installer in the Walsall area.
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
Yeah, Darren's a good guy.
@Chris-hy6jy5 күн бұрын
So that hot water tank doesn't have an internal heat exchanger?
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
@@Chris-hy6jy Yes, that's right. Mixergy believe that it's more efficient to use an external plate heat exchanger. www.mixergy.co.uk/blog/using-your-mixergy-tank-with-a-heat-pump/
@tonyfeasby14375 күн бұрын
Looks a nice install that
@timminsit4 күн бұрын
Thank you. It seems to be working nicely.
@Chatterisdotbiz5 күн бұрын
Thanks for the vblog, very informative 👍
@timminsit4 күн бұрын
No problem 👍
@trisknight94305 күн бұрын
Just wondering how big that cupboard looking at heat pump but my cupboard is only 760 wide
@timminsit4 күн бұрын
Our airing cupboard is 730mm wide. That's just about wide enough for Mixergy's standard tank, but I went with the slim one because it would have be tricky to get the standard one into the cupboard.
@trisknight94304 күн бұрын
@ how big is the capacity of the slim line
@timminsit4 күн бұрын
@trisknight9430 ours is 150L, but they do bigger ones.
@gpbeck5 күн бұрын
Maybe further insulate that heat exchanger.
@timminsit4 күн бұрын
It's already wearing its jacket.
@robin52155 күн бұрын
nice setup👍
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
@robin5215 Thank you. Where are you on your heat pump journey?
@robin52155 күн бұрын
@@timminsit you mentioned being warm in your home, we are the same, we still have the gas boiler because i'm not sure i'll like the slow and low approach.. we've had solar since the good old day's and two years ago we add a second 4.4k solar with 20kwh of battery storage, our main aim is to reduce our usage from the grid.
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
Sounds like you're in an ideal position for a heat pump. I agree that 'low and slow' seems crazy, but it seems to be working here... Let me get back to you in a few weeks.
@robin52155 күн бұрын
@@timminsit thanks .. could you record your radiator temps, flow temps and your cop figures....cheers
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
@robin5215 ah well, good news, we'll be on heatpumpmonitor.org/ soon so you'll be able to see all that data for yourself. I'll send you the URL once it's running.
@FRZ59515 күн бұрын
Vaillant recommend that the databus (2 core) is at least 0.75mm^2 per core, so have you wired that separately?
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
@@FRZ5951 In a word, yes.
@FRZ59514 күн бұрын
@@timminsit most excellent.
@richardharding90975 күн бұрын
You might want to check the water pressure - looked to be on 0.9bar but your OEM heat meter wants it to be 1.5bar
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
OK, good tip, thanks.
@kevinscott28095 күн бұрын
Would you mind sharing roughly how much your heat pump cost including installation. Thank you.
@timminsit2 күн бұрын
Hmm, I dunno. It seems that every home is different, in ours we already had a heat pump compatible hot water tank and we'd already upgraded most of the radiators. I'd say, just use the Heat Geek site, it'll give you a quick price which you can then follow-up with a (paid-for) heat loss survey from a local Heat Geek. If you don't like the quote/price/whatever, you can have your money back. Octopus Energy are the same, we didn't like their quote and they gave us the survey fee back immediately.
@Glyn0015 күн бұрын
Thank you for sharing 👍👍👍
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
Thank you. It's all new to me... I don't have much 'rizz' 😉 but I hope the information is helpful and accurate.
@gerryking43465 күн бұрын
All looks good although with all of those pumps, valves, and other tech widgets it does seem as though there’s a lot to go wrong in the long term with potential for high expense.
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
I think it'll be OK. There's only one (expensive, high quality) valve now, rather than two before. The monitoring gear sits passively on the pipework so, if it were to fail, it'd just stop monitoring and won't/can't affect the actual operation of the system.
@gerryking43465 күн бұрын
@@timminsit Thanks for the reassurance. I have a heat pump survey booked in with Octopus next week and I'm also thinking about including a GivEnergy battery.
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
Batteries are a good option with a heat pump, but get a big one as a heat pump can use loads of power! Do you have solar?
@marktimmins35895 күн бұрын
@@timminsit Octopus Cosy is what I'm using for winter for import. On the really cold days you can top up the battery 3 times a day at fairly cheap rate so you *could* get away with a smaller battery, other considerations aside.
@edc15694 күн бұрын
The system is pretty simple, could argue there’s more to go wrong inside a boiler.
@UpsideDownFork5 күн бұрын
Thanks for documenting and sharing this. Looks like a great installation. Your heat pump will be running flat out when it does a legionella cycle. Most of the rest of the time it will be using a small amount of it's capacity, even on a normal DHW cycle. Towards the end of the DHW cycle when the flow temp ramps up, you can see the electrical consumption also ramping up and you'll be able to witness the unit getting marginally louder than normal. Make sure you wipe the little solar panel every few months to keep it clean. Unfortunately the sensocomfort is still very much needed. The app is very basic and buggy, mainly due to Vaillant servers! Where possible avoid using the solar diverter with the current tariff rates. Better to export and heat the water with the heat pump overnight on a cheap rate for a 1/6 of the cost. The most efficient way to heat your hot water is to let the tank cool as much as possible before reheating. Regular top ups will not help your DHW COP. Enjoy your first winter of lovely comfortable heating and your new toy! 😅
@timminsit5 күн бұрын
Thank you for your advice. Very useful. The Mixergy tank seems to understand about heat pumps and use them to best effect. The tank also understands about Agile so last night, at midnight, the rate fell to 0p for a short while, the tank called for heat from the heat pump and went from 40% capacity to 95% in that half hour. Very clever. I'm trying to use the machine learning rather than setting a DHW schedule, so we'll see how that goes. I enjoy your channel, keep up the good work! 👍
@UrbanPlumbers6 күн бұрын
That is a wrong electrical setup. They will need an RCD type B in that board not a main switch or RCBO. Good decision to go with OEM!
@timminsit6 күн бұрын
Hmmm, OK, thanks for the info, I'll speak to the installer. Yeah, the OEM is great.
@smartboilercompany19836 күн бұрын
That was all me eating those chocolates 😂
@NRP54876 күн бұрын
Thanks Jason. Is it necessary for the thick cable to go under the doorstep? If not, it would be neater to bury it in the gravel?
@timminsit6 күн бұрын
Hmmm, not a bad idea, thanks.
@johnb76446 күн бұрын
Coming along nicely Jason 👍
@alxgag38 күн бұрын
Hi there! What flow temperature are you planning to use? I've looked at the Steelrad Compact models as well, but they dont have any heating output data for low temperature systems as far as I can see.
@timminsit8 күн бұрын
It's designed for 45 degrees.
@MentalLentil-ev9jr7 күн бұрын
I had Stelrad radiators fitted for my heat pump, K3 and K2, all the radiators were changed. Looking at my heat loss survey, they took the rating at 70ºC (Delta of 50ºK) and apply a factor of .344 to calculate the output at 42.5ºC - I don't know where the exact factor comes from (I'd have expected around 0.4) but that should give you some idea of what you would get out.
@danielwilliams-pp6wl4 күн бұрын
Alot manufacturers don’t, you use a correction factor to size each rad at required mean water to air temperature
@alxgag34 күн бұрын
Thanks for the inputs. Could any of you please measure the distance from the wall to the center of the inlet hole of Stelrad compact K2 radiator?
@1951timbo8 күн бұрын
Is this exciting……🤔
@MickG-l1r8 күн бұрын
Still a bit of an eyesore on the side of the house, IMO
@timminsit8 күн бұрын
That's fair, but it's how heat pumps work so you just have to do the nicest job you can and learn to live with it.
@MickG-l1r8 күн бұрын
@@timminsit I'm assuming, maybe wrongly, it's not a thing on new builds that are having heat pumps fitted ?
@timminsit8 күн бұрын
@@MickG-l1r I'd imagine that for new builds with heat pumps that they arrange for the pipes to go straight into the building directly behind the heat pump and then run the pipework internally.
@jackbyron21499 күн бұрын
Laughed at the sight of the 'Heat Geek Assured' tape 😁 Great touch!
@timminsit2 күн бұрын
Yeah, you get a sticker on the front of the heat pump too. 🙂
@markjones63210 күн бұрын
is this part of the install or something you bought extra
@timminsit10 күн бұрын
Both, I suppose, I wanted OEM in our system so asked for it to be included in our installation. If you already have a heat pump, it can be added with a few hours of plumbing work.
@johnb76448 күн бұрын
When’s the next instalment update
@timminsit8 күн бұрын
@@johnb7644 it's being installed as we speak. I'll take some video and see how it looks.
@johnb76448 күн бұрын
@ Cheers, It’s very helpful to see others experience of installation and heating experience, I’m updating my loft insulation to 300 mm sheepswool and having Passive house frames and glass fitted before the end of December then will start my own heat pump journey
@gpbeck10 күн бұрын
I was actually expecting a Harry Enfield spoof..
@timminsit10 күн бұрын
Dude!
@gasmoney931911 күн бұрын
Videos need be longer with more content
@timminsit11 күн бұрын
@@gasmoney9319, thanks for you comment. We've got three more installation days and they'll be really busy so I should have plenty of content to talk about.
@SoullessAndSynthetic11 күн бұрын
How much did you shop around before going with heat geek. I’ve spent 6 months with them trying to make a system cost effective, and failed (over £22K before BUS grant), then went to Octopus and for exactly the same install (pretty much) they are coming in over £11K cheaper. This doesn’t seem to be an isolated case either, I’ve spoken to two other prominent you tubers that went with octopus and they had the same experience. My install ended up being a 9kw ASHP, new 250l cylinder, 13 new radiators and because we have micro bore pipework there will be a volumiser (nothing wrong with that) just to get the volume of water in the loop up. After BUS it’s only £3.6K which I thought was pretty darned excellent, certainly compared to the £15K Heat Geek we’re quoting anyway.
@chester634311 күн бұрын
I believe octopus are swallowing costs to get ahead in the market
@SoullessAndSynthetic11 күн бұрын
Funnily enough I was just called by Octopus, keen to meet their end of month sales targets. I pushed them on their pricing for an explanation and he was quite open with me that they are basically installing at cost right now as they want to establish themselves as the Tesla of Heat Pump installers. That explains a lot. But as he wanted a signature right away (I was going to do it Monday anyway) I pushed them a litte, got free service plans for 2 years and an installation of another radiator (they had asked for me to use a space heater in a snug with limited access...but after thinking about it I want them to solve the problem not add another heat source.). So all in all, happy with the result, and worth knowing for anyone else looking at heat pumps right now.
@timminsit10 күн бұрын
As other have said here, Octopus are VERY competitive at the moment and that sounds like they are doing it at zero margin in-order to gain market share. I did speak to Octopus and other local guys, but I opted for our local Heat Geek. It was more expensive than Octopus but I like Heat Geek's philosophy and their efficiency guarentee, so that made me spend the extra. (Oh, and Octopus couldn't offer quite what we wanted.)
@NRP548712 күн бұрын
Agree that correct radiators is important for a successful outcome. We upgraded all our radiators and now achieve 21C all the time at a flow temp of only 35C. Aira designed and installed our ASHP system. Also important is insulation. We upgraded all our windows and doors beforehand.
@timminsit10 күн бұрын
Very nice. Sounds like a good system. We upgraded our loft insulation (which is a no-brainer for all homeowners) and I also went round and replaced any failing/drafty double-glazing window seals.
@effervescence566412 күн бұрын
Re towel rails generally they're not for heating the bathroom but often with a high temp flow a small towel rail will overcome the towels hindering the heating of the room and maintain a good temperature in the bathroom. When swapping to a heat pump if towels are left on it all the time you will find the bathroom tends to be colder leading to condensation issues. Often it's a better idea to increase the size of the towel rail if it's going to have towels left on it when swapping to a heat pump.
@timminsit10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the advice. For now, we'll see how we get on and swap them if necessary.
@ChadPage-d6d12 күн бұрын
Will be good to know what is the quoted dB noise rating to actual. Some say its tolerable, some say its excessive, to the point that neighbours complain....thx
@timminsit12 күн бұрын
@@ChadPage-d6d Vaillant publish details of such things in their documentation, but it will be interesting to see how it sounds in real life. Videos of real installations suggest that they're whisper quiet. Naturally, this installation will conform to MCS standards.
@NRP548712 күн бұрын
I too was concerned by noise level. Post install of a 12kW ASHP by Aira, I am delighted by how quiet the whole system is, including the outdoor unit.
@johnbell18596 күн бұрын
The pump looks huge, what size / output is it. Can you tell us how big your house is. Thanks. 🎄🇬🇧🎄
@timminsit6 күн бұрын
@@johnbell1859 It does look a bit big in the packaging but it's OK. It's a Vaillant 7kW. We have a five bedroom house.
@johnbell18596 күн бұрын
@ Thanks,for coming back. We have a four bedroom so we might be able to have five kilowatt. It’s just at the research stage at the moment. Good luck with your install.
@Chatterisdotbiz12 күн бұрын
Enjoyed your vblog, will the towel rails in the bathrooms meet the heat loss calc? As an aside I love your nixie clock.
@timminsit12 күн бұрын
@@Chatterisdotbiz thank you. I don't know how the towel rails will perform but I asked on the Facebook forums and apparently they're fine. I guess we'll find out very soon. 😬 Yeah, that nixie clock is pretty cool. 🙂
@Chatterisdotbiz12 күн бұрын
@ you could always have a colder shower so the room feels warm when you get out of it 😊. Looking forward to…..hate the expression, but no other words cover it…..journey lol
@JohnWarwick-v7n12 күн бұрын
Very smart work, thanks for sharing. Particularly impressive their efforts on replacing floorboards etc to how it was before
@timminsit12 күн бұрын
Thank you. We're all too scared of my wife to leave it messy! 🙂
@ExequielPierotto12 күн бұрын
Do you happen to know the brand of the pipe lagging they used?
@timminsit12 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure it's Primary Pro - primarypro.co.uk/
@kevinscott280913 күн бұрын
Hi Jason. Did you get a quote from octopus for the installation? Why a vaillaint heat pump although i here lots of others choosing this manufacturer?
@timminsit13 күн бұрын
I did get a quote from Octopus but they couldn't cope with my desire to keep our Mixergy cylinder and so couldn't do the job. The Vaillant was recommended by Heat Geek and they seem like a decent, leading manufacturer. Are you on a heat pump journey?
@kevinscott280913 күн бұрын
Not on the journey yet but learning more and more about it. Keep up the videos as they are very informative!!!
@eddyd874513 күн бұрын
@@timminsit Strange, I am getting an HP fitted with Octopus and keeping my Mixergy cylinder.
@MentalLentil-ev9jr12 күн бұрын
@@timminsit It's surprising that Octopus wouldn't use the Mixergy tank, maybe they just have set parameters and worry that you might have complained afterwards if it wasn't large enough. Having said that, you are likely to get a better heat pump install with a Heat Geek installer, albeit at a higher cost.
@timminsit12 күн бұрын
@@MentalLentil-ev9jryeah, I think that the size of the tank was their primary concern. They have very rigid rules about such things. I'm happy with my Heat Geek experience so far and I like their performance guarantee.
@gerryking434613 күн бұрын
Thanks, this video was very informative, delivered in non tech terms and helpful to anyone researching this. No need for you to apologize to anyone.
@timminsit13 күн бұрын
Thank you Gerry, that's very kind.
@itsmrfish113 күн бұрын
Jason What capacity is your Hot water tank? Ta
@timminsit13 күн бұрын
The tank is 150L. A little small for a five bedroom house, but it works well for the three of us. We've never run out of hot water.
@Bandits_At_3_o_Clock14 күн бұрын
Thanks for uploading and will be good to see a heat geek install rather than another octopus. You will be right about decommissioning solar divert, no longer needed. How many litres does your mixergy hold?
@timminsit14 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. We're thinking that we'll disable to solar divert, let the inverter charge the batteries and afterwards dump the remainder into the grid, then, when the heat pump needs to heat the water we'll use the batteries and/or the electricity we 'stored' in the grid. We're on Octopus Agile so we export for 15p/kWh and (on average) buy for less than that. I like the concept of using the grid as a giant battery. Our Mixergy is a little small for the house, as it's only 150L and we have a five bedroom home, but there are only three of us so it conformed to the '50L per person per day' guideline. I'm hoping that a 7kW heat pump will make light work of heating 150L of water!
@johnb764414 күн бұрын
@@timminsit What extra if any insulation did you fit
@timminsit14 күн бұрын
We upgraded our loft installation to the recommended 30cm, but that was before we were even considering a heat pump, because it's easy to do and saves you money no matter what kind of heating system you have. Our EPC is now 99A! Oh, I also went around all the windows and replaced any rubber seals that had failed and were letting drafts in. This is another easy job and well worth doing.
@jackbyron214914 күн бұрын
Interesting to see this; thanks for taking the time - I look forward to seeing the installation process continue and seeing the data heat pump this records.
@timminsit10 күн бұрын
Yeah, thanks, we should be producing data in the new few days. I'll attempt to document the installation as best I can.
@johnb76445 күн бұрын
@@timminsit monthly data would be more consistent as you’ll probably tinker with the controls to begin with and the house will have to settle after initial warming up
@Stillbusy10515 күн бұрын
That was boring.
@timminsit15 күн бұрын
@@Stillbusy105 Yeah, sorry about that. I'm new to videos, I'm still learning.
@Hazed_7712 күн бұрын
@@timminsitit wasn’t boring it was informative I’m sure lots of people will be glad you’re posting the series, good job
@timminsit12 күн бұрын
@@Hazed_77 thank you.
@NRP548712 күн бұрын
If you find the video boring, watch something else. No need to leave a discouraging comment. I found the video unique and interesting. More please and thank you.
@lynnfisher43969 күн бұрын
I agree, a different take on a current subject. Lots of people now obviously getting to know about ASHP’s in preparation to their own eventual need to commit. Videos like these are helpful.
@edwinagcalao2137Ай бұрын
2024 sale now😂😂😂,lucky I found your video
@percysmusicacademy2 ай бұрын
It looks like they showed you a video of a real drone but then sent you a toy. 😳
@yjinkim3183 ай бұрын
I had E99 PRO drone what I paid $15 it has camera. It's much better than this thing.
@yjinkim3183 ай бұрын
Scammer, this is a scam. I paid $45 for a drone that has no camera no sensors and can not fly for even 10 minutes.
@gbrian90904 ай бұрын
Send it back and sue them. If you dont win the sue the courts for not seeing the obvious snd incompetence, youll win and it may slow this crap down
@MrMotor114 ай бұрын
Before i ran across this video, i noted in their disclaimer "due to manufacturing process sizes may vary from what is in the advertising images" that's the automatic red flag that covers their unacceptable reasons to return your money. Classic Chinese bait and switch. Stay away