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@MH-xd3gv
@MH-xd3gv 18 күн бұрын
What are you using to send power for testing? Currently working on some 300 ip's and tired of buying the whole boards. Thanks!
@RauxMusic
@RauxMusic 20 күн бұрын
Thx for sharing! Keep it up ! Cheers from Sweden
@magikjoe3789
@magikjoe3789 Ай бұрын
When i worked in live sound we always overspecified the rigs we put out. It was all JBL speakers, 4-way active, HH VX series amplification. The rig was essentially in 2KW 'modules', a module being 2 off 2x18" reflex folded horn bass, 2x10" horn loaded mid, 2" upper mid compression driver, 1" compression top. If a venue demanded, say, 8KW we would take 16KW and run the whole thing at -6dB soft limit with -3dB hard limit. Zero stress on any component, zero power compression and sound of an extremely high quality. No going home with ringing ears, never once blew a driver and the punters always loved it. Sadly jn these days of line arrays and DSP a lot of this dark art of sound reinforcement seems to have been lost. Great video
@Dehazer2112
@Dehazer2112 Ай бұрын
Unprepared mess.
@onenation6429
@onenation6429 Ай бұрын
Very informative. I currently run 2 active sets in London, 1 is what you would describe as a PA set using double 12” subs with 15” tops, the other double 18” subs with horn loaded tops. I’m considering a passive set up for larger outdoor events so this was very useful information for me. Subscribed and looking forward to more content from you. Thank you.
@anthonyellis5517
@anthonyellis5517 Ай бұрын
One of the best and well explained audio engineering video on KZbin! I always watch these videos thanks man ❤
@izzzzzz6
@izzzzzz6 2 ай бұрын
It's heavier bigger and better. Job done. This looks like the basement in my house.
@rudeboysw9
@rudeboysw9 2 ай бұрын
Nice set up....always talk to the DJ's who use my set up about gain control good practice never go into the RED!!! Do you ever do gig logs!!?
@evpro_
@evpro_ 3 ай бұрын
Dude this was SUPER useful, esp the section about marquee set up and was enough power. Have some outdoor events and judging how much sound we need is always tough one Sick great video
@nightblood9462
@nightblood9462 3 ай бұрын
Those are not large scale since it is not a line array that is a stacked medium scale sound system, Difference between the large scale vs a DJ PA System is that large scale is a line array and has a lot stuff then a standard DJ PA System, This is a medium stacked scale Sound system which it is Bigger Large DJ PA System that has much stuff that large scale has than a Standard DJ PA System that has less. My Sound System has A lot of speakers that are Big like larger Sound Systems that Large scale does have too and it is also an DJ PA system so it is in mixed of those.
@Basscouch
@Basscouch 4 ай бұрын
This is a small DJ system....
@andyturner4977
@andyturner4977 4 ай бұрын
Really interesting. I was interested in the input power: you said that a 13A supply won't cut it. How does this work in the non-commercial sector, let's call them free parties. Some of the rigs I've seen are at least as large as the one you show here, if not larger. Yet the generators they use just appear to be little things from hire shops. Can they really give enough output?
@christopherdouglas7606
@christopherdouglas7606 4 ай бұрын
Have used 4 18" scoops on 13amp outlet hundreds of times cope very well.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 4 ай бұрын
I have tried this, as shown in the video above, its too much for 13A. The fuse popped within 30 seconds. However two bass bins works fine with 4 tops works ok, but I always have spare fuses to hand just in case. Worth noting that 13amp fuses blow at 20amps, not over 13, so the rack above was pulling more than 20amps to blow the fuse that quickly.
@gavinlamp
@gavinlamp 5 ай бұрын
thank you, thank you, thank you
@peniku8
@peniku8 7 ай бұрын
I thought you were showing the system in the picture as an example for "DJ PA"... "Large scale PA system" is line arrays in stadiums, not this. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this PA is bad, it's just.. if you're calling this "large scale" then what do you call a K1 rig?
@moamenhelmy9510
@moamenhelmy9510 8 ай бұрын
Very informative Thanks
@rassiniister1152
@rassiniister1152 8 ай бұрын
Good information. Could you do another on how the distro is used and connected?
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 8 ай бұрын
What would you like to know? It's pretty simple really?
@rassiniister1152
@rassiniister1152 8 ай бұрын
@@edtalktech I have 6 subs and 6 kicks . 2 10,000w amps . Can you recommend a distro?
@davidperry4013
@davidperry4013 9 ай бұрын
Active speakers are great for mobile DJing due to ease of setup. However the plate amps in active speakers tend to fail overtime if it’s pushed hard. For permanent installation setups, passive speakers are king regardless of system size even if it’s just 2 12 inch speakers and a 15 inch subwoofer.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 9 ай бұрын
Totally agree.
@martinconnolly3776
@martinconnolly3776 10 ай бұрын
Inductors and resistors in parallel just to produce the required ratings from commercially available components. Im not sure the limiter circuits use MOSFETs. Aren't they TRIACs?
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 9 ай бұрын
That create a time constant and thus a crossover point. They are most definably not Triacs. Part numbers are mosfet.
@andyyorke5252
@andyyorke5252 Жыл бұрын
What is the model of the Presonus Mixer that you're using?
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
Hi, It's an RM32Ai with CS18Ai control surface.
@andyyorke5252
@andyyorke5252 Жыл бұрын
@@edtalktech Thank you.
@deankeys8185
@deankeys8185 Жыл бұрын
loved that, very interesting from a small fry musician.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 9 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@Drummimg
@Drummimg Жыл бұрын
Btw thats not a snare its the floor tom, the snare is on the opposite side, other than that, great video!
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
Its hard to get everything right in one take... Sometimes you just have to roll with it. I've another video i need to upload where i refer to the same thing differently about 10 times lol.
@JBF-GST-Tanda
@JBF-GST-Tanda Жыл бұрын
Since the amplifiers already have DSP processors built in, why it's better (or necessary) to use an external DSP rack?
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
Good question. The Ma12000i has no DSP processing built in. It's just protection - so that's one reason. The other is quick and simple changes are easier on the BSS than getting a laptop out and connecting to the amp rack over networking.
@JBF-GST-Tanda
@JBF-GST-Tanda Жыл бұрын
@@edtalktech Thanks a lot! Maybe the internal DSP would be more useful for larger systems with piles of amplifiers or for pre-installed theatrical systems in which amplifiers were placed elsewhere from A/V control room.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
@@JBF-GST-Tanda That's entirely correct. To be fair, I spread the DSP work between the amps and the processor. It's something I could spend days playing with running RTA test and all sorts and then still not being entirely happy with it!
@christiansoldier1118
@christiansoldier1118 Жыл бұрын
My back has just twinged!
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
thats also a difference between small scale DJ and this kind of system!!
@christiansoldier1118
@christiansoldier1118 Жыл бұрын
@@edtalktech Yeah I used to lift the D&B P1200 Amps - glad I don't have to do that anymore #ihaveaglassback
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit Жыл бұрын
As far as clipping and speaker damage, the clipped material sends disproportionately more power to the tweeter (and possibly midrange) and those drivers tend to get stressed more (although by this point it sounds horrible to your ears) than turning up a more powerful amplifier the same gain level that doesn't clip. Different types of music have different frequency content and also power handling (in a multi driver system) is band dependent, meaning a speaker can't handle as much at 2kHz (tweeter), as it can at 300 Hz (woofer), but it is usually more sensitive up there so it doesn't have to. It doesn't tend to be the woofers that go, unless the power (clean or clipped) exceeds their continuous rating for long enough. Because of the inductance of a speaker, it doesn't see DC at any frequencies in the audio band (people think it's like connecting a battery to the speaker, then reversing the polarity, then reversing it again, causing the speaker to sit at minimum impedance for extended time).
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 9 ай бұрын
These amps monitor speaker impedance. You can see power compression happen when driven hard as the coil impedance rises when they get 'hot'. After a full day of festival work, the cabinets on the bass and the tops are noticeably warm.
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit Жыл бұрын
As far as electricity use, using more subwoofers at lower volume is actually energy saver compared to cranking one or two subs hard.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 9 ай бұрын
This is down to efficiently and power compression.
@vacq
@vacq Жыл бұрын
Your videos are great! Raw format is nice, there is no need to edit your videos, thats how good you are in explaining everything, keep it simple and... real. Besides, there is already a lot of often overedited videos on KZbin :) So, im subscriber from day 1 :) Keep them coming. Cheers!
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 9 ай бұрын
Amazing feedback thanks!
@jambodjembe
@jambodjembe Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks.
@maXXer00
@maXXer00 Жыл бұрын
Great content! Thanks and keep it up 💪
@CarlBurnss
@CarlBurnss Жыл бұрын
mm nice monitor set man 😁
@user-wy7wx3sn4z
@user-wy7wx3sn4z Жыл бұрын
Was thinking about getting some FBT speakers any opinions on them from anything you’ve heard about them. Love love the videos keep them coming 👍
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
FBT seem to make decent speakers. Not sure I've ever heard any though!
@samsquid65
@samsquid65 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Very well explained mate. Keep up the good work. 😎👍
@aj.k.9937
@aj.k.9937 Жыл бұрын
What type of mixer is this bro?
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
Presonus Rm32Ai with a CS18Ai control surface
@JessAnalysisTV
@JessAnalysisTV Жыл бұрын
Watching from Philippines 👍
@spooforbrains
@spooforbrains Жыл бұрын
This was really helpful, thanks. Even though you delivered it off-the-cuff you still managed to cover a bunch of useful info I didn't know.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
Thanks, at some point I'll do a follow up video with some of the questions raised from this one.
@DaftFader
@DaftFader Жыл бұрын
The classic Crown and Void combo ... can't go wrong with that pair up!
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 9 ай бұрын
It absolutely rocks. This video is 1/4 of the entire system.
@brucenicoll4373
@brucenicoll4373 Жыл бұрын
Stick 3ph 32 up that rack 32 sph is not enough by a long way
@vadimmartynyuk
@vadimmartynyuk Жыл бұрын
The main differences between DJ and Large Scale PA are: the mixing board, amount of input channels, and monitors. Not the power.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
You could have a massive yet simple DJ festival setup, with one perhaps two monitors and 100kw of FOH speakers. that by your definition would be small scale, so on that basis I must disagree.
@AdrianJayeOnline
@AdrianJayeOnline Жыл бұрын
so where do you get 32amps mains into the setup ?
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
Usually generators.
@bokajllensch661
@bokajllensch661 Жыл бұрын
In germany it often goes from speakers on stick to flown speakers but really quickly towards small line arrays. Your really rarely see tops like that.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 9 ай бұрын
This is true actually. The practicalities mean flying arrays just isn't feasible in most of the work we do. If I went that route, it would end up being ground stacked mini line arrays, and so might as well use point source.
@dustinscharf3668
@dustinscharf3668 Жыл бұрын
nice video, first i thought the system you show is the dj system since on large scale events you see kinda this system as dj monitor for real xD but when you said you made 700 people happy with this setup i was wondering what kind of event this was? i can't belive this is enough preasure in the last row for a 700 person techno event (maybe indoor in a smaller room) but maybe for pop or something?
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIPOaYOadrKab7M this system but with 4 bass... if you actually used this as a dj monitor at full power you'd have permanent hearing damage by the end of your set, but that's stating the obvious. No one really needs the systems you see on festival stages for monitors. It's just showing off and DJ ego.
@ThatGuy-he8yx
@ThatGuy-he8yx Жыл бұрын
I need this in my apartment
@jjcoolaus
@jjcoolaus Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, that was great, amp racks have always interested me , to know what drives what and how the audio and the power is fed in, this video is a real education
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@tyronenelson9124
@tyronenelson9124 Жыл бұрын
12,000 watts through a single 16 amp CEE, I don't think so pal.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
It's 32Amp.
@stinkinroger159
@stinkinroger159 Жыл бұрын
I've got a home-build PA coming along, 2 Subs, 2 kick boxes and 2 tops, I've been wondering about where in the chain to put the limiter because atm my signal in goes straight to my processor (no limiter/compress control). Would it come before or after this? I noticed your bass amp dials are maxed out, do you have the signal attenuated back in the processor to avoid clients fiddling with setups? Appreciate this vid, have subbed.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech 9 ай бұрын
All the levels are 'maxed' and correct gains set in software. This means that a rouge operator cannot fiddle with anything, they can turn sections down, but not up. The limiters should go directly before the amplifier and any processing before the limiter. That way the limiter always has the final say.
@lifeintornadoalley
@lifeintornadoalley Жыл бұрын
Easy answer: your needs dictates your setup. People rush to get the biggest speakers, biggest amps and call that good. But that's not even scratching the surface of what you should know while looking. DJing is more so for small venues, once and awhile you'll get a bigger venue show, but rare in the USA since everyone has their own house stuff. Pa= portable audio. But DJing rigs are more portable than PA systems 😅😂 makes sense! Lol Always wear ear protection! I'm stuck with tinnitus
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
Firstly very good point on ear protection. Being deaf is not fun, so many audio people I know have hearing damage. secondly, in the UK at least most venues don't have their own PA.
@lifeintornadoalley
@lifeintornadoalley Жыл бұрын
@@edtalktech thanks for sharing that! It's pretty common here for them to have a house band and pa. Usually venue owned, but some rent out from local bands.
@DiamondDog_
@DiamondDog_ Жыл бұрын
crown macro tech 😍
@Josh-wu7kz
@Josh-wu7kz Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand what’s so special about a driverack, can’t you make all those adjustments in a digital mixer? It seems completely unnecessary.
@wylatron
@wylatron Жыл бұрын
If you're a mobile guy, a one person performer, slogging it out in the trenches every weekend at different locations, inside and out, do you want to shlep a digital mixer around with you everywhere? Because I can promise you, my driverack fits INSIDE my 4 channel standalone decks case under the decks. I rock up, do a measurement of the venue or space I am in with the mics pluggged into the driverack, set it, and I am good to go. That's why.
@Josh-wu7kz
@Josh-wu7kz Жыл бұрын
@@wylatron still makes no sense. A behringer x air 18 is tiny and lightweight and to have it in a rack which is it’s purpose you would only have a big system thus bringing a large desk wouldn’t be an issue
@wylatron
@wylatron Жыл бұрын
@@Josh-wu7kz pretty much the same sort of functionality, limit output with a brick wall limiter, time alignment. Usually when people are talking about a digital mixer they aren’t talking about a rackmount Behringer🤷‍♂️ Which isn’t *just* a digital mixer
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
These units are designed for speaker management. They take a stereo pair in and split it into 6 out. This is not something your mixer can do nicely, or even fudge it. Of course you could fudge it. There are videos such as m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHO7koVojJd4Z6s that specifically mention the limitations of an xe18, and why would you want to tie up so many aux sends anyway? Speaker processors are designed for the job and do it properly, meaning you could plug anything into the rack and it work and sound good, not to mention be protected.
@Loui0581
@Loui0581 Жыл бұрын
All that talk about watts ... the only specs that matter is spl
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
Too simplistic. If only spl mattered then you could tune a system specifically for a frequency, it would be loud but sound rubbish. Frequency response and efficiency are just as much a consideration.
@mxslick50
@mxslick50 Жыл бұрын
The biggest danger to speakers in this video is those horrendous Crown amps. I have worked both cinema and live sound for over 35 years, did a lot of bench repairs on amplifiers and Crowns were on that bench 7 to one compared to ALL OTHER BRANDS COMBINED. They are unstable, unreliable, prone to DC faults to the speakers, and despite all the hype, don't sound that clean or good compared to most of the competition. The most robust and reliable amps I have ever used are QSC. They have very clean and tight sound, are super reliable, and QSC's support is the best in the industry. Out of over 2,000 QSC amps I installed or encountered in locations I serviced, I have had only 5 failures, and NONE of those ever damaged speakers or input sources, unlike Crown where I had replaced countless blown drivers, (a few actually went up in flames) and more than a few cinema processors and mixers. No, I do not work for QSC nor am I a QSC dealer. Just an independent tech who has done a lot of audio work.
@edtalktech
@edtalktech Жыл бұрын
Yep they had their problems when first released. Some of these however came from O2 arena London and have spectacularly high hours and still run fine. Oh and sound great.
@tigerelectronics5966
@tigerelectronics5966 Жыл бұрын
The biggest sound systems I've ever ran across are in the Philippines, their competition sound systems with 40 or more 18 or 21 inch folded horn subwoofers! And usually 20 or more midrange and high end horn loaded aswell :D Often running on over 200kW amp power. Pretty wild :) would love to experience that IRL sometime! It looks pretty menacing on video, hehe. Im into some pro audio myself too, fun to mess around with. I don't do anything on professional level, just some personal loud music. About a 5kW system with 2 horn loaded 15" subs and a pair of ultra -high excursion 15"s with some serious power handling aswell to really take care of everything down to 20hz, and a pair of 15 inch midbass and some compression driver tweets. Everything is based around 15's and it works absolutely fine! It sounds just as good as a system wirh different size drivers., its absolutely wild at home, shakes the whole house aparr :) we get 3 phase supplies here in my country, so i have no problems running that at home. I can run much larger stuff if i want to, but this is more than enough to satisfy my own desire for loud bass haha! I would call my sound system a "medium" sized PA system, between a DJ system, and between a smaller large-scale system. Lovely video, you brought up lots of good and useful things! Thumbs up :)
@DiamondDog_
@DiamondDog_ Жыл бұрын
that's right, in Indonesia most people use 18" and 21" and some even use 32"