Mike, Thank you for the kind words. If for protection I would not recommend a rimfire, very underpowered, (even the magnum), and not reliable. If plinking 22LR, ammo is cheaper than the magnum. There are some low recoil 38's that should be fine. A low recoil self-defense in 38 is liberty ammunition's Civil Defense. It's a light for caliber bullet traveling fast. Most any 38 ammo should have very manageable recoil. If your spouse won't be shooting 357, I would recommend the 856. Six rounds in the same cylinder diameter as the five round 605. They also have some snazzy color options. If for protection 2" or 3" is a tough call. 2" carries well, purse etc. But large muzzle flash, very loud blast, and less performance. You need to weight the options. Heavier gun, stainless steel etc. will reduce felt recoil. The light weight aluminum or titanium will be a pleasure to carry. I would suggest the Viridian laser grip. Point and shoot. Purchase through Taurus not Viridian, 1/2 the cost through Taurus. I would not recommend the T.O.R.O. red dot sight. Hard to find that damn dot, and a snag hazard during the draw. Let me know what you end up with. Again, I am not affiliated with Taurus or anyone else, I just like this stuff.

@ thanks Sir, I appreciate the 38 ammo suggestion and gun advice, something where I’m not sure I’d get the best advice at a gun store.

I am tempted to suggest the 856, (38 special only). It has one extra round, (6), and the same width, (cylinder Dia.), of 1.4" as the 605. Womans fingerprints are more acidic than men, I recommend stainless steel, tungsten or Cerakote coated aluminum to avoid rusted fingerprints. The 856 has some snazzy color choices too. www.taurususa.com/revolvers/small-frame-revolvers/taurus-856 But I do like the versatility of the 605, 38 or 357. I would suggest practicing with 38's and depending on her tolerance for recoil maybe even for the carry round. www.taurususa.com/revolvers/small-frame-revolvers/taurus-605 The added performance of a 3" vs 2" barrel made my choice easy. Two inch is easier to carry, (purse etc.) but less performance and much much louder muzzle blast. Tougher choice for you. If the Viridian laser grip coupon is still in the box, (even if it isn't), I recommend getting it. Point and shoot is very advantageous in a high stress situation. Purchase the grips through Taurus, less than half the cost at the Viridian web site. I do not recommend the T.O.R.O. red dot sight. Too hard and slow to find that damn dot. Even with practice it is hard to find. Red dot sights are large and a snag hazard when drawing the revolver. shoptaurus.com/shop-by-model/revolvers/small-frame-revolvers/viridian-red-laser-grip-blk I am not affiliated with Taurus; I just believe they are a great value. Let me know what you end up choosing for her. I would be remiss if I didn't suggest a pistol. Small, less weight, thinner, faster reloads. My wife enjoys her Sig Sauer P238, (380 ACP). www.sigsauer.com/p238-two-tone-micro-compact.html It also comes in 9mm, P938. I have the P938. www.sigsauer.com/p938-two-tone-micro-compact.html I don't see any 380ACP Taurus'. They do have small 9mm's. I am not familiar with their pistol line. The revolver is very intuitive, anyone knows how to shoot it. Single action semi auto pistols need a little more practice. Tom Reply

Thank you, Tony for the kind words. Thinking of getting one? What should be my next video? I need suggestions.

@@NotAllEngineersAreBoring I have a 3" barrel 605 now. I had a snubby that i got rid of. I love Taurus guns, and have a 608,66, 327, 44 mag and a tx. I recently retired so I have been spending more time at the range. I did subscribe to your channel. Great stuff you have brother.

Thank you, Steve. It just so happened I got a complimentary comment yesterday and they went on about the spring kit he just purchased and can't wait to get it. I reminded him about light primer strikes and he may need to find ammo, (primers), that works and stick to it. He never heard that before. Guess he only watched part of the video. :)

I am certain you will enjoy. Well worth the price. Let me know what holster you end up using.

My double action settled in at 10#, single action 4-1/2#, (one year of shooting). As I said, the spring kit gave me too many clicks instead of bangs, (Wolff Springs). Some ammo had thinner primers and worked, but my reloads resulted in too many clicks. I shoot mainly reloads except for personal defense and trail gun defense. The single and double action was better, but not worth the clicks. I only kept the trigger return spring in the Taurus. You may find a round that works with the spring kit, just stick to it. Other rounds.....? The Taurus grips I LOVE. They also accept the speed loader. Some do not. See if yours does, (if that is important to you). I'm curious, keep me informed.

@@NotAllEngineersAreBoring I was unaware of light strikes with different springs. I don't really have anything set in stone at this point, the gun store where I live in Montana will be quite busy until hunting season is over, so I have time to run ammo through my 605 and see how I do with it. Practice has it's advantages. Pretty sure I'll have a lot of trigger pull at first.

I'm getting up there in age. My eyesight isn't what it used to be. Laser or red dot sure makes it easier to acquire the target. I just have a slight difficulty finding that red dot with the red dot sight. I believe with enough practice I could improve my ability to find it. With no ammunition in the gun or even the room, practice drawing the revolver and acquire the target.

I reached out to Taurus and got a link to their store, no holster for our revolver! I found something on Etsy for a mere $38. I gave it a shot at that price. It was OK, but the snap strap was too long. I could buckle it and pull the revolver out of the holster, effectively no retention. It does have a clip for OWB or a loop for IWB. I am handy with leatherwork. I cut down the strap, burnished the cut edge and installed a, (supposedly), heavy duty snap buckle. The leather is thicker than the crimp prong on the snap. I had to get creative on the attachment with pop rivets. It works but the snap is a little weak. I keep looking for a heavier duty snap. If you go this route, let me know if you find a decent snap. Here is a link to what I found..... www.etsy.com/listing/683243642/revolver-taurus-series-357mag38spl?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=taurus+revolver+holster+3%26quot%3B&ref=sc_gallery-1-1&search_preloaded_img=1&plkey=ae64dad6e679aae7bd5b1b9442cd02719675c6bd%3A683243642 I am not that familiar with S&W. Maybe there is a holster that also fits the Taurus? Let me know what you end up doing.

@@NotAllEngineersAreBoring thanks for the info! I currently run with a ruger holster that’s only made for a 2” barrel. Was wondering if there was anything better out there.

I just gave my search another go at it.... www.craftholsters.com/taurus-605-defender-3-holsters

@@NotAllEngineersAreBoring thanks for the link!

As I said, 3" has a lot better ballistics. Two inch is borderline pocketable. The 3" is a bit to long for a pocket. Both are fine for IWB holsters. But I wanted a trail gun. After owning it for over a year, I still like it for my purpose. I did pack it on several wilderness fishing trips in northern Wisconsin with a healthy black bear population. I didn't have to use it for the bears, but it was comforting to have. It is a fun plinker too.

@@NotAllEngineersAreBoring I think you made a good choice as far as barrel length in .357. I have an 856 and 605 with 2" barrels, wish the 605 was a 3", but the Defender series was not out when I bought it.

@@wes326 You get an extra round with the 856 and it has the same thickness at 1.4", (cylinder diameter). The 856 is pocketable. The 3" is just a bit to long for a pocket. Requires a holster.

Thank you, Larry, it is holding up very well. This past summer, I took it with me on several wilderness camping and fishing trip in the great north woods of Wisconsin. A health black bear population. I did not see any, but it was comforting to have on my hip. I had several shooting range trips. I shoot only 357's, I am not sensitive to recoiled, (except that Buffalo Bore 180 gr hard cast was punishing). It shoots well. The trigger is smoothening out some, but double action is still a 10 # pull. My expectation is a low-cost trail gun. It meets that expectation and satisfies a few more, Conceal carry, plinker, etc. Again, Thank you for the kind words.

@@NotAllEngineersAreBoring you’re most welcome! I enjoyed the review and I definitely appreciate the update! Is it one you would recommend to someone else for a woods & trail revolver?

@@larryduttry9400 Larry, I'm not affiliated with Taurus or anyone else. With that said, heck ya, I'd recommend it as a woods / trail gun. I wouldn't want to pack my Gen 1 Colt Python in 357. Too nice of a revolver. This low-cost revolver fits my needs perfectly. Being SS it can take on the weather. Being 3" it shoots well with 357 cartridges and has power. 3" also facilitates comfortable carry and holstering. Shoot 38 specials for plinking. Let me know if and which revolver you get.

Thank you, Craig, I am considering a second video. Any suggestion?

Alfred, I concur. I am a man of few words. It surprised me the video was 15 minutes. That's very long for me. Your 656 is a good choice too. Six rounds in the same cylinder diameter as my 5 shot 357. Did you find a good holster? Is the laser grip coupon still offered? If so, do get it. You mentioned cleaning. I just got some Flitz bore cleaner. Do get some also. The barrel will be spotless. Added plus, if your 656 is SS it will remove the cylinder ring easily. Any suggestions for my second video?

Thank you for the kind words. I am impressed, ALL the comments are just as kind. Not one negative. If the laser grip coupon is still shipped in the box, consider getting it. I enjoy mine a lot. I used the revolver on several Wisconsin north woods back country adventures with a large black bear population. Although I didn't have to use it, it is very comforting to have. Enjoy

Thank You for the kind words, John. I am blessed with all the comments being very favorable. Not a single negative remark. For @ $ 400 it is well worth it. (Note - error in the video, I said less than $300, should be less than $ 400 and that was a year ago. I'm certain Bidenomics raised the cost). I figured for $400 I'll get it, no big deal if it sucks. I am pleasantly surprised with the purchase. I guess you can't believe all the KZbinrs. I got to use it last month for a two-week wilderness camping and fishing trip in northern Wisconsin. A healthy black bear and wolf population. I didn't need to use it for defense, but it was comforting to have. It was also fun to plink with, maybe that scared off the critters. I plinked with 125 gr hollow points. The 180 gr Buffalo Bore is expensive and not fun to shoot. I am not sensitive to recoil at all. But I did downplay the recoil, it caught me off guard. It was nasty! This is my first and only video, (to date). I enjoyed doing it. I also enjoy replying to these comments. I'm retired. Any suggestions for my second video? Really, I need ideas. I have been shooting for over 50 years. Mostly plinking, then Trap, Sporting clays, Duck, goose, grouse, big game, Masters class in unlimited IPSSC, pen pal with Col Jeff, (Dean), Cooper prior to email, (used snail mail), I share my affection of the 1911 with Jeff Cooper, I have three of em. There was a coupon in the box for the red laser grip. For @ $100, it is well worth it. I loved the original grips, they fit my hand perfectly. The laser grips are almost as good, a little larger that some prefer. I prefer the visibility of the green laser, (3x the $). However, green is more sensitive to cold weather. It may not function in cold climates like Wisconsin. Red is more forgiving. After all it's a low-cost trail gun, (seconds as a self-defense gun). Having the laser on the grip is not a concern. It does not interfere with my draw, my finger does not block the laser, I am pleased. The offset is not appreciable for a revolver like this. Still accurate enough. Really, Give me your thoughts for a second video.

​@NotAllEngineersAreBoring Hi Tom I still have my two Originals I bought when I was 21 over 40 years ago S&W 27 6-in and an S&W 39 and would like to give the 27 a break because of old age that's why I was looking to add new 357. Back in the day, I had a few matches at Camp Perry rifle match using 220 swift. Don't ask how I did. 😆 For myself I like the type of Mythbusters format showing one point of view to the next like in your first video. Patience, it will come to you. Good Luck.

@@johnmigliore79 You will enjoy the Laser.

Thank you, Mike. I did this just for fun and to set the record straight for some negative channels about the 605. Like I said, I was pleasantly surprised at the value. I wanted a low-cost trail gun. I just came back from a wilderness camping and fishing trip in northern Wisconsin. There is a good population of Black Bears. I wore this revolver and was very comforted. Any suggestions on what I should do for my second video?

No worries, John. Any suggestions for another video?

Barry, Thank you for the heads up.

The one I got is no longer on the market, and I had to cut down the strap and move the buckle. I did ask Taurus USA they sent me this link..... shoptaurus.com/holsters/?_bc_fsnf=1&brand=15

He sure did say "TRITIUM VIAL". Not bad for a budget revolver. Tritium or hydrogen-3 gas has a half-life of 12.5 years. Being a gas is why a glass vial is used to contain the tritium. I have some sights that are @30 years old, and they sure don't seem to be half or 1/4 as bright. Seem near as bright as newer sights. Note - He usually doesn't talk in third person. 🤣

Yes, always trade-offs. Larger cylinder diameter could turn off some purchasers. Less capacity does also. I only have black bear here in Wisconsin. Five will be sufficient.

I never even thought about lefties. Please post if you find one!

You will not be disappointed with the revolver! The Buffalo Bore 180 gr flat nose hard cast seems to be the proper medicine. This is from my research; I haven't used it on any game. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any on the shelves. I had to purchase directly from Buffalo Bore $$. If the coupon for the laser grip was in the box, I highly suggest you get it. Hard to pass up for the price. I like the third finger tactical activation.

I mis-spoke in the video. S/B < $400, pretax and background check. That was a year ago. So, with a year of Bidenomics, you got a fair price. I'm certain you will enjoy. Let me know what holster you find.

You will be pleasantly surprised like I was! FYI - I misspoke in the video. I paid < $400, (not < $300), for the SS / tritium sight model and that was a year ago. I recall the black models were a little less money. But, with one year of Bidenomics, yours is a good price. My brother gave me a Vortex Venom he didn't need, (what a brother!). I don't need it either. I'm selling it and the proceeds will go to my brother. I'm asking a mere $125 + shipping. Check out the web site link. vortexoptics.com/vortex-venom-red-dot+reticle-3~MOA~Dot

I saw those other reviews too. But I wanted a trail gun for the Wisconsin north woods. So, for < $400 I figured how bad could it be? I purchased it anyways and was pleasantly surprised! This was my motivation for the video. Do you plan on buying a Taurus? I don't think I fibbed too much, but I did two strings and showed the best of the two. The exception was the Buffalo Bore, I didn't want to do that again! Any suggestions for a next video? It just snowed 4" here in Wisconsin but soon it will be spring. I didn't want to shoot a video in our winter.

@@NotAllEngineersAreBoring I am familiar with the forests of northern Wisconsin and recognize the value of a trail gun. A .357 should be adequate to the task. I sailed Superior out of Bayfield for many years and stumbled upon black bears on the Apostle Islands more than once. Never felt like I was in eminent peril, but I didn't waste any time back tracking out of those situations. Yes, I have been considering buying a Taurus 605 and have been a little conflicted about 2" or 3" barrels. You make a good argument for the 3" barrel, but the 2" barrel would be easier to pocket, and I don't plan on facing down a bear any time soon. I'm also looking at the 856 if you have one around to do a video about. As a pocket carry self-defense option .38S hollow points look like they would do the job. I pocket carry a P238 at the moment but have never been overly confident in its reliability or punch. The 856 is a little cheaper and is a six shooter so that is a plus. .38S should be a soft shooter and I'd likely carry the 605 with .38S anyhow so I am conflicted. Nice to have options. I saw that it has been snowing up that way. We have a daughter in Minnesota. We moved south just last year to get out of that crap. Seventy and sunny in South Carolina today.

If you are going to shoot 38's anyways, I agree, the 856 gives you one extra shot with the same cylinder diameter of the 5 shot 605. Just as easy to conceal with 1 more shot. 2" or 3" would depend on how you intend to carry. You mentioned "pocket", 3" doesn't pocket well. I carry a P938, my wife enjoys the P238. Both are very reliable, (I'm almost sure you mean stopping power). I understand carrying is not supposed to be "comfortable". It is to be "comforting". That P238 will be much more comfortable than the 856, and almost as comforting. The 380 isn't too far off from a 38. Check out the Liberty Ammunition 380 Civil Defense for that P238. My wife likes shooting it. She feels it is comforting.

@@NotAllEngineersAreBoring I carry Underwood 68GR. xtreme defender in the 238. Saw some great ballistics testing on it. I think Liberty makes something just like it. They look like a Phillips #2 screwdriver and don't expand. They penetrate though and make a significant wound cavity. The 238 is very easy/comfortable to carry in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster. Comforting is a good way to put it as well. I don't need a wheel gun so much as I want another one. I suppose you know how that is. Traded my S&W 642 on something a few years ago in a fit of stupidity. The Taurus offerings seem to be solid affordable options when held side by side with the 642.

Call me old fashion. I was pen pals with Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, (pre-internet, we used snail mail). Then I met Jeff at Gunsite when he taught there. The original definitions were, double action meant two types of actions, 1) finger cock and 2) thumb cock. If you could only use the thumb cock that was a single action. If you could only use the finger cock, that was single action too. This could be misinterpreted so "finger cock only" was used. "Double action only" was non-sensical. These were Jeff Cooper's definition also. I understand over the years it no longer has that meaning. I doubt Jeff Cooper would have accepted it, But I accept it. However, I still use Finger or Thumb cock. I keep true to the original definition, and everyone knows what I am talking about.

Thank you for the kind words. All of my comments have been very positive. FYI - <$ 300 S/B < $400 so you didn't pay too much. And this was a year ago. This was my first Taurus, and it won't be my last. Any suggestions for my second video? Did you find a good holster?

@@NotAllEngineersAreBoring Haven't looked for a holster yet. The one you have looks good. I've had my taurus for a week and haven't fired it yet, so I'm ready to go to the range!

Never looked. I'm not sure you can have a moon clip in 357? I did get speed strips and a speed loader. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B4GRD5V1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000C1CLL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Lo siento mucho! Typo, S/B under $400 a year ago. So "No", you're not getting ripped off.

@@NotAllEngineersAreBoringI didn't say anything about getting ripped off.

I just meant you won't find it for < $300.

Lo siento mucho! Typo in my video, cost S/B < $400, not $300. So your cost is about right. The < $400 was a year ago. Enjoy! For the price, consider the laser if they still have a discounted cost.

@NotAllEngineersAreBoring yeah they had the laser version, my big hands blocked it so I opted out for a standard one with Pachmeier grips... still awesome nonetheless

Bryan, you won't be disappointed. I bought my first and only, (so far), despite many negative reviews. Actually, I was surprised how inaccurate the reviews were. I was pleasantly surprised with its quality for < $400, (I got it wrong in my video, S/B < $400 not, < $300). The inaccurate reviews are what prompted me to do this video review. I am not affiliated with Taurus.

Bought mine today, the taurus felt alot better then the Smith in the same size and barrel length... don't sleep on the brand ive owned a 4" Taurus and it was my favorite revolver

Doug, Thank you for the warm welcome. All my comments have been very complimentary and encouraging. While this is my first Taurus, I too collect and shoot many handguns. When I do carry the Taurus, as I mentioned in the video, I use 125 gr jacketed hollow points in 357. I am not sensitive to recoil and 125 gr shouldn't over penetrate. I can tell you are not sensitive to recoil either. The 454 Casull was a dead giveaway! It is still winter here in Wisconsin. I don't feel like shooting a video in the snow. Spring is coming soon. I am looking for suggestions for the next video. Any suggestions?

I started out with Taurus guns when I got serious about guns. I have not been disappointed with any of mine. I have since gone on to get a Rugar 380 and Walther as well. I love my 605.

Very nice, comprehensive review. I will be acquiring a Taurus 605/3", as I have carried an 856/2" for many years. Very reliable! Thanks. T.S. Pennsylvania

@@ths414 When you decide to buy check with 702 Lab there in PA. I have had good experience with them. Am down here in Texas. I also use gubroker, and have came away with some steals lol. Got a Rossi 44 magnum rifle for 500 and it was in my local sporting goods store for 730. Good luck with your purchase. One thing I must tell you at times you will need to check the screws on your gun to make sure they are not getting lose. I found that problem with my snubby when I had one.

Thank you, Mary. It's winter here in Wisconsin, so it may be a couple more months. I learned a lot on this first video, next one should be better. Any topics you're interested in?

OOOps, I purchased it for less than $400, (@ a year ago). My appologies. I'll see if I can edit it.

Thank you, Gregory. Winter here in Wisconsin so it may be a few months before I create another. Any topic you are interested in for the next one?

Me too. Taurus sells holsters, but I didn't see one for the laser grip. I have the Veridian laser grip they sold. Let me know if you find one.

Thank you for the kind words. I learned a lot on this first video. My next one should be better.

Call me old fashion. I was pen pals with Col. Jeff Cooper, (pre-internet, we used snail mail). Then I met Jeff at Gunsite when he taught there. The original definitions were, double action meant two types of actions, 1) finger cock and 2) thumb cock. If you could only use the thumb cock that was a single action. If you could only use the finger cock, that was single action too. This could be misinterpreted so "finger cock only" was used. "Double action only" was non-sensical. These were Jeff Cooper's definition also. I understand over the years it no longer has that meaning. I doubt Jeff Cooper would have accepted it, But I accept it. However, I still use Finger or Thumb cock. I keep true to the original definition, and everyone knows what I am talking about. Glad to hear customer service is OK. I didn't have to use it. What Taurus do you have and why did you need customer service?

Thank you, Jesse. I love 357's, but mine and my wife's were all 6" barrels. I needed something handier. I had a 2" and it was too loud and a flame thrower, (powder burned outside the barrel), I sold it. Now that was a short barrel. The three inch has a better sight radius than I thought. The laser grips removed any issue. I don't think it to be too deceptive, but I did take the best of two strings. However, The Buffalo Bore was only one string. I didn't want to do that a second time. I am not that sensitive to recoil, but it was powerful. The recoil slammed the cylinder release latch into my thumb, hence the bandage on my thumb after that string. I thought I cleaned the revolver well. but I kept finding blood in the checkering on the latch. I even used the weave stance and grip, push slightly with your dominant hand and pull slightly with your off hand. This helps reduce muzzle jump. Thanks again Jesse, stay safe.

Thank you for the words of encouragement Frank. I know you will be happy with it. FYI - I just notice an error in my video. My cost 10 months ago was just under $400, (not <$300). Let me know if you find a holster, if you buy the 3" barrel.

I concur!

Thank you for the words of encouragement. I learned a lot doing this first video. Being winter here in Wisconsin, my next one will have to wait until spring. I know a guy in Fon Du Lac, WI, Tom's Military Arms and Guns. He charges Cost plus $20 for pistols. So now you know how much profit your seller is making. I purchased it May 2023, so price shouldn't have gone up much. We only have Black bear here in WI. There are practically no black bear attacks here. Having this sure make me feel at ease cleaning fish at the campsite. Heavy, 180gr, Hard Cast, Flat point, should do the job. Note - I haven't shot a bear with it. My research and hunting experience suggests this would be just the medicine needed for Black Bear. It will definitely penetrate the skull or reach vital organs. As far as Montana goes, you couldn't have too much gun. I would still bring Bear Spray. 357 with this load may be about minimum. I would feel better with a 44 Mag, and a 4" barrel. I would feel even better with a rifle, even a lever action 44 Mag. Walk loud, carry a Wisconsin cow bell when you hike. Let em know you're coming. Stay safe. Let me know what you decide.

@NotAllEngineersAreBoring Thank you! We were in Montana and Wyoming last July. I carried Bear Spray wherever I went. We never saw any bears, but a woman was killed by a brown Bear on a trail not too far from where we were. Thanks!!

My BAD! I just noticed, in the video I said' "less than $300". Opps should be less than $400.

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I try to respond quicker, but, you know….., the holidays. Concerning the 605, 3” as a carry option, at the risk of stating the obvious. I will list my Pro’s and Con’s of this revolver for CC. Pro’s 1) A 357 is the gold standard for a defensive handgun. I my opinion, non-better. 2) Five shot cylinder has a smaller diameter, (1.4”), than a six shot, Making concealment easier than a six shot. If you need more than 5 shots, you may have bitten off more than you should have. 3) Extremely reliable. Not like a semi-auto where you need to be certain rounds feed consistently, no limp wrists etc. 4) Easy for anyone to shoot. Most anyone knows how to fire a revolver. A child knows how to shoot this. However, you will keep this safe from little inquisitive hands. 5) Three inch barrel is by far a better choice than a 2”. So much better performance. A 2” blasts too much, ear damaging noise, and velocity suffers too. Con’s 1) I had a very hard time finding a holster. Let me know what you find. I don't know, are we suppose to put the 3" in a snub nose holster? 2) Much wider width than a semi auto. Less comfort and concealability. The 605 will be very comforting, (not necessarily comfortable). 3) Much longer to reload than a semi auto with a magazine. For the 605 I have both a speed loader and a speed strip for extra rounds. Let me know what you end up with or any other question.

Thank you for the support. Winter here in Wisconsin. Stay tuned for more come spring.

I'm sure you will enjoy Mr. James Bond.

I have two 10-22's. While I found the out of box trigger pull acceptable for a plinker / small game rifle, I made a tack driver out of one of them. So many options and aftermarket parts to make the 10-22 anything you want! With match 22 ammo I can hit paint balls on golf tee's all day long at 100 yards. Just needed an investment of a bull barrel and trigger group, (2# 2 oz pull crisp, no creep), oh and a scope. I whittled the original wood stock to fit the bull barrel. The other looks like a Thompson sub machine gun complete with drum magazine and is a fine plinker. Unfortunate it did not meet your expectations :(