No martial arts training is bullshit when compared to not training martial arts.

So true be water my friend!

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When You Don't understand JKD, the way Master Bruce ment it to be taught You can't evaluate It

It’s quite simple what jkd is, Bruce describe it back in 1969 to William Cheung his line of training is "efficient street fighting with every goes." And in 1970 Dan Inosanto did a interview with Karate Illustrated about jkd and he described jkd sparring as "vicious but polished street fighting." None of these other styles like kali, wing chun or silat. (Bruce removed all wing chun related practice by 1970.) Link to interview: jkdjoaquinmarcelo.com/entrevistas/jkddani1970.pdf

in other words, run if you don't know BJJ.

Hmmm... I have to agree that understanding JKD and not being able to apply it means you don't understand it. I first started my JKD journey around 1978/9. I'd started Wing Chun about five years earlier. JKD has two distinct elements which unfortunately get forced into one unless you get the real picture. One side of his art was his techniques which evolved over the years he was teaching and training. The other/second aspect, was his research methods. This included training skills and methods but also ways to analyse fighting arts and personal styles. The trouble comes when you condense the two together. Example, Bruce developed the five methods of attack. This was a research method and not a technique to train and internalise. If you go into a fight, you don't have time to analyse your opponent you just react. I can guarantee, if you start to wait until you're given enough examples of attacks your opponent throws at you, you've been in the fight too long. However, if you are a competitor in kick boxing, boxing, bJJ, etc you can analyse your opponents fights and draw up a strategy. You can also analyse a martial art you are watching and work out how best to deal with it or, learn from it. As Bruce would say, JKD is simple, it is a tool. Incorporating the research methods of it allows you to develop your own style, however mistaking it as JKD (ie including the research methods as the physical) will corrupt and distort JKD.

Running is not always an option -- you may be running away from your wife and kids or friends. I've been doing martial arts for 40 years, and I continue to hear that running away is an option -- it is time to get real my boys.

J KD s BS same as BL was

There should not be a VS. reason being is it begins stand up but with in seconds you may wind up on your back he’s in your guard , punches start flaling in a cycle. Now it is another way of fighting. Maybe if a victory by arm bar , or choke out ,then it’s game over. When it first started it could have ended in a KO, correct? So this is what Bruce meant when he said “ Using no way as way,having no limitation as limitation he meant no matter what style a fight is a fight the best man will win. And then he goes on to say, “ Now unless human being has 4 arms and 4 legs ahhh now you have a different martial art!

I wouldn't disagree having studied various styles also. I think every style has it uses and flaws in a real fight situation and their application. However a really good streetfighter is hard to beat because as you rightly point out, they are hard to control because they don't fight in any conventional way. They simply come at you fast and hard and adapt as the encounter takes place. I met guys who never did any fighting practice of any kind but we're really good natural fighters. I remember a friend saying to me about another colleague, "if he studied something he would have been a champ". Thing is he didn't need to. He was champ on the streets. For me there are three important elements. 1.It's not about style. It's about practice and personal effort. 2. Conditioning and mental adaptability. I suppose muscle memory is part of that, because you don't have to think about it. It becomes a natural reaction. (Muay Thai fighters and Shaolin masters focus a lot on this area). They can take a lot of punishment. 3. Personal attributes. Height, weight, body type, strength and reflex speed. I met many guys from different martial arts and they were all really good even in real fight situations. The reason was because they were committed to the art form and achieved a very high level of ability. I think Bruce understood all of that and took from all styles. For him if it worked it worked. I think he would say about Jeet Kung Do, " take what works for you then go and learn boxing, Muay Thai and another 50 styles of fighting and put it all together"!

OMG , what are you talking about, JKD was Bruce Lee self expression, and his art , lots of people have lived and earn money from this including Dan , does JKD work if Bruce lee uses it yes absolutely, anyone else no , because they never had the prowess that Bruce Lee had in the art of martial arts. People need to Leave Bruce Lee alone he died in 1973 . If you can’t see how amazing he was, then you don’t know what you’re talking about…

Jeet kun do = MMA.

I didn't like his high kicks watching BL's movies and I didn't like it. Because I train in Taekwondo and I understand the difference in a ring and in a actual street fight. BL's movie and his high kicks reminds me the days I fight in Taekwondo tournament and I never use high kicks during street fight experience.

I am a Jeet Kune Do Concepts adherent. I don’t care what the JKD Nucleus people have to say about it.

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Jeet Kune Do doesn't wrk 4 you and that's fine you are just a shit practitioner of it. Stick to Jiu Jitsu then!

I’m glad you brought up Krishnamurti, its really core.

Bruce never trained with Lebell. This has been disproven. He did train with other judokas though.

Maybe not Dans JKD might be student wasn't worthy to learn and adapt to be good fighter he lacked to much.

If you tried JKD you have your doubts might mean you can't adapt and accept go in with clear mind be water my friend.

JKD was designed to address violence, assaults or ambush. Has nothing to do with mma,or any other martial art or sport. You can’t single leg someone on the corner of Tompkins avenue in Brooklyn Ny ? You would get the shit stomped out of you. As soon as I see someone in a orthodox stance with their strong hand in the rear, tells me your in violation of perhaps one of the most important principles in JKD. Strong side forward. If they are training in a orthodox stance, walkout, that’s not JKD. Half beat punching, closing the distance, feints, footwork, non telegraph punching and yes non telegraphing kicking, with a piston lead hand strong side forward. You had to hold the pads for sifu Ted Wong to see it all put together. Purest form of JKD. The art died with him. Wish Bruce lee was alive so he could walk into these schools claiming to be teaching his art ripping people off. Read Bruce’s books. Start with the Tao of JEET KUNE DO. Please.

A lot of instructors are going to be stuck and set in their ways and their students will be indoctrinated. Can you see how messy this is starting to get and this is only one small segment of some of the things that have separated, ostracized and disenfranchised the JKD community as a whole. And there’s a lot of instructors who have their own versions of the truth and who do not like to touch on the other controversies active in the JKD community so they don’t provide very much context, background or unbiased data in regards to the controversies in the community. Also, it should be noted that there are a lot of documents, quotations and secondhand accounts of the things that people think Bruce actually said, or did . A number of those things become conjecture, misinterpretation, misinformation, or inconclusive. So, even though Bruce Lee is a legendary figure, not everything was meticulously, recorded, filmed, or given a distinct context. Sometimes the Lee family themselves aren’t able to confirm certain things . Then a lot of these lineages, and their students like to present biased data to try to conclusively prove their lineage is more valid than other lineages. And around and around it goes .

But I know in all honesty all of this is a very wishful thinking, because many instructors have different agendas. Some of them have made it their entire personality, and they’re very life’s work to reaffirm their beliefs at any cost. I know that there are some instructors who use the brand and name as a point of sale. I know there’s some instructors that their agenda from the beginning was to be the next Bruce Lee, but managed to come very short. I know there’s some instructors who wanted to dominate the competitive world, but end up coming to a start realization that the times changed individual martial arts evolved, and the world of mixed martial arts took on a life of its own. I know there’s some instructors who definitely want to believe that their specific version is applicable in every situation in every environment . And they will not teach the fundamentals of actual streetfighting, the repercussions of unlawful street fighting and the situational awareness to prevent a fight from occurring in the first place. And I’m not seeing any one particular instructor out. It’s basically all of the instructors ever they usually suffer from one or more of these inefficient teaching styles. Also, under the thing to know about the JKD community is that there is tons of egotism many of them like to remind you that martial arts is an egoless sport but the instructor themselves have the largest egos of them all. And maybe it’s being prideful, and David invested so much work so much dedication and so much sacrifice that may be in a way it is well-deserved, and perhaps even earned. Maybe. Or sometimes they are very salty because they over the course of decades have literally gone through hundreds probably thousands of students who have fallen off or have given up… and sometimes the attitude literally sticks to them and changes the experience and vibe for newcomers. So there’s definitely that . Don’t always expect to be welcomed to the community . 😅

I think everybody could see the appeal of JKD from a philosophical aspect from a abstract ideal. That is about fluidity, emptiness, partiality and having no limit as a limit. No limit only plateaus to be worked through. There are going to be the classic JKD instructors who are going to say JKD is a distinct style, and if you do anything that is in anyway shape or form that deviates from the original style then it is not JKD at all . These kinds of instructors usually abandon the lost fees of the original Jeet kune do and they very much have a problem with Bruce Lee fanboy, and as a result catered to a lot of boomer ideologies that are not attractive or conducive to developing the next generation of practitioners. On the other hand, you have the JKD practitioners who makes every single style and call it JKD. And that definitely raise the question of how we defined JKD . Let’s suppose that we were going to throw a bunch of styles together could we call that JKD? Probably not. This is where the traditionalist JKD people make a very valid and reasonable argument that it is a distinct style with distinct footwork and distinct techniques . And I think maybe a more appropriate code of conduct would be to keep the core JKD as base but modify and tweak it for specific purposes, whether you are doing competition or actual combat. I do, however, believe every martial art has evolved overtime, and that even core JKD should also evolve and learn from other combatants, put our own personal spin on our favorite techniques and utilize it in a way that is distinct for the JKD community. We adopt and adapt and implement it as a template a base….a starter kit if you will and set no limit as the limit.

One instructor I know, says that jeet kune do is the actual fight style developed by Bruce Lee . It is a style with very distinct, footwork and application. And that is their hill, that they will stand fight and die on . Although They abandon the philosophical ideology along with all of the endless possibilities. Which I think makes it similar to traditional karate and its inability to adapt. however, the good thing is that instructors like this more closely resemble the Particular Way,, Bruce Lee actually utilized his fighting methods before his passing, and that was confirmed by the Lee family themselves. I believe the Ted Wong lineage is the only lineage that is allowed to use the Jeet kune do logo and trademark. Now there is the inosanto lineage. They have concepts that relate to JKD but are not actual JKD. It is more Kali/silat based. And there was litigation between inosanto and the Lee family. This age is a little bit more progressive, but is also the lineage with the most controversial instructors. Ensure there are a lot more lineages, but these are the ones who are constantly arguing amongst each other on all social media platforms. Most lineages barely agree on anything less than 50% of the time, even if it comes to something as simple as a training regiment.

From what I see in many many videos from many many JKD instructors is they seem to be stuck in the past. They say this is what was taught around this time and that’s it. And that’s where JKD gets lost. Bruce Lee died at a very young age and if he was to live another few years who knows what changes would have been made. But I guarantee it would have evolved and that’s what the new jkd generation must do. Evolve, do less instead of more, keep it simple and efficient. Watch the best fighters now and like Bruce Lee did, study them and practice certain things they do that can work for you. And when you do that apply JKD principles. We got to be present and honest what we do and teach.

It depends on what you’re doing, an exercise or the spiritual stuff

once is taught the way bruce taught it and taught for 55 years and carry on by his students, is now a style. bruce is to blame because the damage is done.

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Great Video. Does JKD work? Yes, and NO! The mistake is in thinking that any style is set in stone. Bruce Lee's message was to accept what is useful and discard what doesn't work. That means, does it work for the individual. Essentially, that's the foundation. That includes any technique in JKD that does not work for the individual using it. The best contribution from the rise of real world MMA was the weeding out of all the bullshit people had been teaching for years that simply didn't work. Bruce wasn't trying to teach a "style," JKD was about exploration and discovery.

You misinformed yourself. Read again about "Classical Mess." It's most likely If not obvious that he would want you to go the MMA direction against Kung Fu and Karate and so on.

Well said! Why was there no real grappling in Wing Chun?

Wow, that's as nice an explanation as I've heard, thank you. It's interesting, saying JKD isn't a martial art but a philosophy with an essential physical/martial component to it. I've heard Paul Vunak say that everything Bruce achieved was a side benefit of the primary focus he never lost sight of, which was, basically, to be able to kick ass in the quickest and most efficient way possible. And that achieving what seemed like a very straightforward, pragmatic, definable goal led him down a deep and branching path of self-exploration because you have to really understand yourself in order be a true warrior, not just in the street but in life.

JKD is very simple. It's not a style, but a concept. Basically, it's what ever will work to win a fight no matter what for the individual. If it doesn't work, toss it out. Use what is useful for yourself and convert it to your own specifications. Thats it. Here's an example; If you have to use a knife, hammer, gun, etc to win a fight then that's JKD Whatever it takes 😁

Fantastic presentation!

Yes it is! Bruce died too young to complete it. But then again, it was always changing. He himself was too young. The best compliment I can give is his book, which was a path towards MMA. Perhaps if he was still alive, he'd be a major part. But JKD is B.S. and MMA is the real deal.

I feel that JKD has become corporate and comercialised and cut and pasted and stylelised, with so many masters ,grand masters and sifus and of course experts who have never sparred or had a fight in their lives and just chasing glory by goal hanging around with the self made personality politics of JKD, waiting for that score of approval with name dropping ,having pod casts and doing videos of jkd just by talking, and making what bruce lee said over rated in the proccess. i have never had a jkd lesson, but i get what bruce lee was getting at in his philosephy and his teaching and break downs a man ahead in the martial arts pushing boundaries to get results , i have done realistic and no nonsence styles over the years and wouldnt fight on the street as i would in the gym and i aint no expert. the only ones who knew bruce lee was those who trained with him and i guess alot of his teaching has got lost over the years and arguments i have seen which jkd is the best jkd concepts or theory.and feel that all this certicates have become bullshit at most.the real people who know what JKD is are the ones that was trained by bruce lee and they learned by doing.With alot of respect i think alot of hard styles can have alot going for them with a realistic and no nonsence approach to martial arts and a full combat sports also if you keep the product and change the rules an introduce ilegal moves with for example head buttts elbows and knees and arm bars chokes and holds amongst others, and dont fight on the streets as you would in a gym and then you could come out worse off. although i have found alot of instructors or teachers and people of styles dont see the difference between fantasy and reality. if you get one of these so called experts against a full grounded trained dutch kick boxer or boxer or thai boxer them experts, sifus,and grand masters would get f..ked up.and it still would be a way of intercepting fist.

I think if a kid at 13 starts martial arts and only trained with a teacher for 4 years go and get your ass kicked then go to another teacher for 6 months. So that make you 18 and never had a nother teacher. You have no business starting your own martial arts and 50 years later not one person has mastered it even if you trained with Bruce they had no more than 3 years .

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one example doesn't speak for the entirety of WC and also doesn't illustrate superiority of BJJ. its not the style of art its the fighter themselves individually. BJJ might be good for theatricality in a tournament, or in a cage for paying spectators. but IRL its useless. are you going to subdue one man while 5 of his friends are bashing your skull in? Thought not. also: JKD and WC are NOT one and the same. JKD resembles more boxing in many respects. intercepting the incoming BJJ guy with JKD side kick would have easily disrupted that attack.

i feel that JKD has become corporate and comercialised and cut and pasted and stylelised, with so many masters ,grand masters and sifus and of course experts who have never sparred or had a fight in their lives and just chasing glory by goal hanging around with the self made personality politics of JKD, waiting for that score of approval with name dropping ,having pod casts and doing videos of jkd just by talking, and making what bruce lee said over rated in the proccess. i have never had a jkd lesson, but i get what bruce lee was getting at in his philosephy and his teaching , i have done realistic and no nonsence styles over the years and wouldnt fight on the street as i would in the gym and i aint no expert. the only ones who knew bruce lee was those who trained with him and i guess alot of his teaching has got lost over the years and arguments i have seen which jkd is the best jkd concepts or theory. and feel that all this certicates have become bullshit at most. the real people who know what JKD is are the ones that was trained by bruce lee and they learned by doing. With alot of respect i think alot of hard styles can have alot going for them with a realistic and no nonsence approach to martial arts and a full combat sports also if you keep the product and change the rules an introduce ilegal moves with for example head buttts elbows and knees and arm bars chokes and holds amongst others, and dont fight on the streets as you would in a gym and then you could come out worse off. although i have found alot of instructors or teachers and people of styles dont see the difference between fantasy and reality.and could call this stuff jkd

To me......JKD is an expression of your own personal martial arts or art. Learn the art or arts you want to.....then express it all into one. Not mix it all together, but Express it all together.

Fighters have to put their opponents in front of the barrel of their gun! If your JKD, don't grapple, if your BJJ, don't try to do powerful speed punches or speed kicks! My opinion is JKD in a street fight can beat BJJ. Cutting peoples faces, pocking out peoples eyes, bang peoples head on the concreate and all things street is going to go to the trained street fighter and JKD. Pound for pound, I don't think BJJ can get a good hold on someone who can quickly move and keep them from grabbing them with punches and kicks to places that hurt or cause advancing injuries. The BJJ will be in his hope of " I just need to grab his leg or arm, I just need to get close, I just need him to try grab me, etc. " Yet still they cant get out of the danger zone! JKD is street fighting and not for the ring, rules of the ring, the safety or limits of the ring etc. The lie of the ring fight is that you need to know how to grapple, you need to know how to fight on the ground etc. When in actual street fight you can just have a bat and know how to get the best of it's force, to beat a fighter with it. Any comments? But this is how I see BJJ for on the street use is that at least you can hold someone down. Cause if you did JKD you would probably kill the person.

In the fight it was wing chun vs bjj not jkd vs bjj

I believe in one other simple principle: if there are rules, it is NOT a fight. Sports and rings have rules.

JKD Concepts is NOT Bullshit. A lot of People claim that they know JKD Concepts & they do not. The US Army Rangers uses JKD Concepts. The US Navy SEAL Team 6 was Exclusively Trained by Paul Vunak.

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OK MY TURN AND ALL LISTEN CLOSE. Joe Lewis--Chuck Norris - Louis Delgado were all great fighters, They never would train JKD if it did not work --so here it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/baKqn2ivmtaZhsU&pp=ygUNam9lIGxld2lzIGprZA%3D%3D

Is Bruce Lee BS? There you go. JKD varies from practitioner to practitioner because it’s open ended concept, one does more grappling than the other JKD who emphasizes more strikes. It varies.